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so without a voting system, we are actually more centralized.
How?!  Huh I can't get it really.

Lastly, without a voting system, what if there is a feature that a majority of stakeholders want, but the majority of node owners with hallmarks won't update their servers? This will only lead to a node-arms-race where people with the most money to set-up servers and hallmarks will win. This seems way worse than a simple 51+% vote to determine what the overall network wants.
If there's a feature majority of stakeholders want, they'd install it. But'd not forcing anyone to do anything for their own benefit. Convince node (small stakeholder, or provider) that feature benefit his too and network'll update.

How forcing connects with decentralization?
legendary
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GREAT IDEA

1) So the USD would be deposit to this account...by wire transfer or western union etc...

2) to withdraw USD IBC would wire money to the recipient...so they will still be wiretransfer delays & fees

 Edit: would this require serious manpower?

Online Banking has made these transfers very easy, just make sure the Belize Bank you choose offers it. Actually, the bank account does not even have to be with a Belize Bank as long as you find a bank that would be willing to open an account for the IBC and NOT you. It could be in any country... plus the IBC can offer deposits through an online payment service through its merchant account and customers will be able to deposit even with their Debit/Credit Cards. If income is earned outside Belize, there is NO TAX.

Pls explain more how we can do this in a decentralized way ASAP....thank you....also trust how to fix that

edit: we still need to trust the person doing the transfers

I can't think of how a gateway could be decentralized. If there were many gateways and a uber-issuer that spread across multiple gateways, it could approximate that, but it starts getting very complicated.

Did I mention peercover is already a USD gateway. Right now. No need to wait for asset exchange. This is why I know that using ripple gives NXT a strategic edge. All of the fiat regulation is dealt with by the ripple gateways. Any NXT/fiat gateway would need to do all the same sort of things anyway

James
What is needed in order to see NXT/USD in Peercover? NXT/BTC? I am talking about volumes, I may try to set up a market there tomorrow..

This is fantastic news!

There are two primary things that are needed. Sellers and buyers. If there were sellers with decent priced inventory and the buyers knew about it, then a market would automatically form. Of course, a persistent reminder about it won't hurt. Once the volumes are there and the spreads are low, then it will gain momentum on its own.

At first it might need someone to make a market to get the trades going. I would be more than happy to do that, as that is kind of my day job. Anybody can place orders in the orderbook, just need to select the NXT/USD or NXT/BTC pair.

nxtgt made a great howto for this: https://nextcoin.org/index.php/topic,2527.0.html
He has also volunteered to send the initial 30XRP needed for ripple accts.

Most important is to get people to just start using ripple. I will be going on a 17 hr bus ride soon, so I doubt I will have any wifi for a while. When I get back online I will be able to actively make a market in all three NXT/XRP, NXT/BTC and NXT/USD.

It does take a bit to get used to ripple, so the best thing everyone can do is just create a ripple acct and start the process. get 30XRP to get your acct activated and follow the howto

James
legendary
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Newbie
Number of zombie nodes became much smaller. Is it only me or others see the same picture?
hero member
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prices pretty stable on ripple and I think also stable on nxtchg

Yeah, we stabilized around 0.05, nice to see decent support in NXT.

There was one guy today who just came, dumped 25 K NXT on auto then withdrew and left.
That's when the price hit 0.02 and it started to look gloomy.

Yeah I know I was lucky to catch some from him  Grin

Pin

.02...ben jaloers.
I think I need to get my ass on over 2 NxtChg.com
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For what in your opinion? Why "should"?

I am not yet even sure what you, guys, are talking about Smiley

If it's what I think - a decentralized system, which would allow you to vote reliably on any subject - then it should be implemented simply because none exists.

Or is it something else?
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Seriously, DGEX? Only one transaction out this evening?

07.01.2014 20:08:30      9703795993351757196   30,100   5   7699415320093264906   4453295180040092198

Graviton, step on the gas please Sad
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It is ZeroTheGreat's favorite NXT feature!!!   Grin   lmao
Better safe then sorry  Grin
legendary
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But this thing about voting by action make a lot of sense. There is no actually voting system needed. At least for important things like alias trasfer.
That's what I'm talking about! Anything can be solved without monsterous mechanism like that. Some big aliases's holders wanna power to sell theri aliases? No problem. They ask some dev to implement that. And community agree/disagree with result by their own actions. I see no problem, I'll install such feature. Someone see problem? Well, he start his own Nxt or manages to live without it or even start to find support to disagreement of such dangerous (in his eyes) feature. And market'll decide.

Strongly agree.
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"voting by people" requires those people to be registered and accounted for
Misunderstood. I mean if 10 people set up 200 forging nodes of Nxt they voted with their own actions for current Nxt implementation. Someone wanna add something new into their 200 nodes? Well, he'd try to convice them to install his code, that's all. No global voting requried. What problem can't be solved without it?

And right now these nodes are weighted according to their stake (+hallmarks). Exact same situation, the coins give them the legitimacy (proof of stake).

Also, keep in mind, many of the hallmarked nodes right now are run by only a handful of people (the ones that took the time to get their own server/VPS)... so without a voting system, we are actually more centralized.

Lastly, without a voting system, what if there is a feature that a majority of stakeholders want, but the majority of node owners with hallmarks won't update their servers? This will only lead to a node-arms-race where people with the most money to set-up servers and hallmarks will win. This seems way worse than a simple 51+% vote to determine what the overall network wants.
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I added all of these. The icon isn't perfect but it's better than nothing!

Yeah, much cooler! Make one arrow circle red, another green (green for incoming, red for outgoing) and it will be perfect.

Actually, give me a minute, I'll do it.

EDIT: Oh, wait, they're not images...

Done!

Ah, you're the man!
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Doesn't matter. I don't think we need voting system at all. Cfb, BCNext and other core developers knows how to improve the system better than a crowd. And if for some reason they start doing mistakes then a new core will appear with new great ideas. It's easy. People will always be supporting best ideas. Nexern's client is the best example. When it's done, NRS is likely gone. No need to vote for the best client. People will vote with installation.
Thank you, similar to my thoughts.

Anyone sharing our point of view or holding valid counterarguments?
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Sorry, haven't paid much attention to this topic. I remember reading somewhere "if you get to the point where you need to vote, you already lost".
Exactly.

That said, if a decentralized, reliable voting system can be implemented, I think it should. Or am I missing the point? What's this voting system? Couldn't find anything on the wiki...
For what in your opinion? Why "should"?
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@Jean-Luc

What's your opinion on the following fetures?

1) Checksums for addresses on protocol level;
+1
legendary
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Hi,

I think some of people are playing on price to downward it. I was checking and even there were above buy order the price given by me, the buy order was complete. They sold it with quick sell.

big price moves on dgex only
prices pretty stable on ripple and I think also stable on nxtchg

This indicates attempt at moving the price and not that the price has moved.

That is because of the low volume on those two, I think

Usually low volume means that the price changes more as one order can really move things. Clearly, the trading on dgex is not pure trading of NXT. There are other issues that are affecting the price of NXT on dgex. Maybe we need to have a combined average price for NXT that incorporates all the markets? Like BTC has btc-e, bitstamp, half a dozen China exchanges, mtgox, all with different prices. Sometimes prices on one exchange change dramatically while stable at others. I remember when OKcoin CEO was in hot water, BTC there was significantly lower than the other China exchanges.

James
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I added all of these. The icon isn't perfect but it's better than nothing!

Yeah, much cooler! Make one arrow circle red, another green (green for incoming, red for outgoing) and it will be perfect.

Actually, give me a minute, I'll do it.

EDIT: Oh, wait, they're not images...

Done!
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@Jean-Luc

What's your opinion on the following features?

1) Checksums for addresses on protocol level;
2) Divisibility.

Any plans to implement them? If so, when?
legendary
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Anyone can make 1000000 acoounts and vote as 1000000 people, so it's not the option
Misunderstood my point.

Doesn't matter. I don't think we need voting system at all. Cfb, BCNext and other core developers knows how to improve the system better than a crowd. And if for some reason they start doing mistakes then a new core will appear with new great ideas. It's easy. People will always be supporting best ideas. Nexern's client is the best example. When it's done, NRS is likely gone. No need to vote for the best client. People will vote with installation.
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Voting by stake makes sense, as those with the most invested in NXT will want to see it succeed the most.
Disagree strongly. Voting can't bring success just by itself. Actions can (like marketing or teaching of crypto). So it anyone want project to succeed, he'll act to make dream come true.

Sorry, haven't paid much attention to this discussion. I remember reading somewhere "if you get to the point where you need to vote, you already lost".

That said, if a decentralized, reliable voting system can be implemented, I think it should. Or am I missing the point? What's this voting system? Couldn't find anything on the wiki...
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Voting is to bring out consensus.
Already brought. I'm missing the point. Each time any network exists = consensus of rules exists too. If it'll be lost, network'll disappear. No voting required, actions brings ut to consensus, nothing else. But global voting brings risks of centralization. Why it'd be implemented then? What problem can't be solved without it in your opinion?
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Voting by stake makes sense, as those with the most invested in NXT will want to see it succeed the most.
Disagree strongly. Voting can't bring success just by itself. Actions can (like marketing or teaching of crypto). So it anyone want project to succeed, he'll act to make dream come true.

Voting is to bring out consensus. Would be one feature that makes NXT a success.
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