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newcn,

just go to the trade page in the ripple wallet
type in "NXT/XRP" issuer peercovers id
put in buy offer

James

sorry. I didn't read carefully about your message.
but in the trade page inside ripple, from the menu list, I can not find a XRP/NXT  exchange!
what should I do?
legendary
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Maybe CfB can comment on the dev team's desire to manage a NXT marketing campaign?

I've programmed a lot of C code, from an entire C compiler to a realtime forex trading system. The NXT team is doing quite well and even though I could probably contribute in some minor ways on the technical side, my strength is more on the strategic marketing and finance side. I play chess at 2200 FIDE level. This means I can easily beat 99% of the people in the world at chess, but I get crushed by 1%. the NXT dev team is full of world class grandmasters, the last thing they need is some weak master slowing them down.

If we all had a 100% technology focus, we won't maximize the value of NXT. We all need to do the things that we can do well that will most leverage everything else that is going on. That means server people can do servers. dev people develop tech. communications people communicate. people who just want to help can support newbies. Everybody can contribute and each contribution makes NXT more valuable for all of us.

I am sure I see a gaping hole in what NXT is doing and that is in the strategic marketing. The wiki, videos, etc. are all fantastic starts and we just need to tweak the message to create a positive image for NXT. Companies that have nothing positive to offer manage to have very positive images. NXT is so positive in so many ways, it won't be hard to obtain the positive image it deserves.

However, we can't ignore it.

The "greedy founders" rhetoric is one of the few potential stumbling blocks that I see and I want to fix it so instead of being a negative or at best neutral story, it is totally positive. The unclaimed NXT represents potentially millions of dollars that can be painlessly given away by the founders.

Please some founders, can you provide some feedback?

James
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newcn,

just go to the trade page in the ripple wallet
type in "NXT/XRP" issuer peercovers id
put in buy offer

James

ok, the question remains,
how do I relate my existing ripple wallet to my account?
note, I don't want to create a new one,
I only found CREATE option on your site.
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utopianfuture,

Why is defending marketing attacks against NXT lower in priority? What is more important that the public's perception of NXT? Perception is reality, especially in crypto

If people's first impression is what yuri's of the world spread, that would severely lighten the load on the NXT servers. There are over one hundred altcoins plus bitcoin itself and presumably other challenges ahead for NXT. We cannot stay 100% tech oriented and just count on the public to accept NXT.

Distributed servers, distributed development all very good. However, distributed marketing is essentially no marketing. Is that what the NXT community wants? If so, let's just take down all the wikis, videos, etc. Just publish the source code and be done with the public.

Do we want NXT to grow to what it is capable of? If so, we MUST defend ourselves and establish the market position NXT deserves. NXT is up and running, NXT has an active user base. NXT has an active trading volume. NXT has the second generation features that no other coin currently has. I estimate at most a three month window of opportunity for NXT to capture the slot of being the next bitcoin.

Of course we need servers, but we also need good concentrated laser beam marketing.

James

Did I send you my "first document" ? If not I am going to.
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newcn,

just go to the trade page in the ripple wallet
type in "NXT/XRP" issuer peercovers id
put in buy offer

James
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Ripple instructions for people with ripple accounts

Go to:
http://dev.peercover.com/#/simpleGateway
click on the NXT tab

For deposit:
select deposit
Add trust for the amount of NXT you want to deposit to ra9eZxMbJrUcgV8ui7aPc161FgrqWScQxV
put in your email address and click "deposit NXT" and follow instructions
instructions will show NXT address to send NXT to as soon as it arrives it will be automatically sent to your ripple wallet

James

well, that's for ppl who want to sell nxt.
In my case, I already have XRPs in my wallet, and I want to buy nxt using these XRPs,
How do I let your system know that?
legendary
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utopianfuture,

Why is defending marketing attacks against NXT lower in priority? What is more important that the public's perception of NXT? Perception is reality, especially in crypto

If people's first impression is what yuri's of the world spread, that would severely lighten the load on the NXT servers. There are over one hundred altcoins plus bitcoin itself and presumably other challenges ahead for NXT. We cannot stay 100% tech oriented and just count on the public to accept NXT.

Distributed servers, distributed development all very good. However, distributed marketing is essentially no marketing. Is that what the NXT community wants? If so, let's just take down all the wikis, videos, etc. Just publish the source code and be done with the public.

Do we want NXT to grow to what it is capable of? If so, we MUST defend ourselves and establish the market position NXT deserves. NXT is up and running, NXT has an active user base. NXT has an active trading volume. NXT has the second generation features that no other coin currently has. I estimate at most a three month window of opportunity for NXT to capture the slot of being the next bitcoin.

Of course we need servers, but we also need good concentrated laser beam marketing.

James
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I have heard there are about 10 million unclaimed NXT. I have a plan that would make for great PR for the NXT founders.

All they have to do is vote to distributed a non-founder dividend from the future sales of these 10 million NXT. By setting specific prices with smaller and smaller volumes at higher and higher prices, the total donation of the founders will be many millions of dollars.

BCnext gave all the founders winning lottery tickets.

If all the founders voted to not grab any of the unclaimed NXT (worth millions of dollars), our opponents will somehow have to claim that the horrible greedy NXT founders VOTED to donate money they could have easily kept for themselves. Actions speak louder than words.

Let the cycle of generosity continue!

I know all the non-founders will like this idea of a dividend that only non-founders will get.
I sure hope the founders see the wisdom in doing what BCnext did and spread the wealth.

The PR value from this will be very powerful

James


I'd just split the money between Cfb's team and other programmers who did hell of a job. They'd find right application: buy more servers, pay for pr and other stuff. It would way better for Nxt future than just sell it to random people who'll resell all coins the same day on Dgex.
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utopianfuture,

While it is probably pointless to spend time debating the yuris of the world, think of him as the public perception ddos equivalent. The college prank ddos hit us and hit us hard because the network was so small. Did we ignore it and say, there is no point in beefing up our servers? Hell no! They attacked us, we defended the best we could and now our network is much stronger.

So, when the yuri's of the world attack us are we going to just take it and say there is not point in defending ourselves? Hell no! We MUST defend against this type of attack because it appeals to people's emotions of jealousy. Very powerful and it overrides logic. People will make up their minds emotionally and then find logical reasons to support their decision.

If someone like yuri can attack NXT's very core creation and success and twist it into a plausible "greedy 71" story, then we are in trouble. Since the key part of the story is BCnext's multimillion dollar giveaway, why aren't we pushing that storyline?Huh

Mystery man gives dozens of strangers millions of dollars and disappears!

Isn't that MUCH better for NXT? I want to know how yuri will ddos this

James

BCNext is just a weird man who happens to be a genius. If he just wants to give away, he have not threatened to leave when some big stakeholders just do nothing to NXT's cause.

It has to be admitted that the whole initial distribution is a mess. And it is BCNext's responsibility. Now he would have to do something to salvage it. I help him and NXt's cause as much as I can just because I believe he is a genius.
legendary
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Ripple instructions for people with ripple accounts

Go to:
http://dev.peercover.com/#/simpleGateway
click on the NXT tab

For deposit:
select deposit
Add trust for the amount of NXT you want to deposit to ra9eZxMbJrUcgV8ui7aPc161FgrqWScQxV
put in your email address and click "deposit NXT" and follow instructions
instructions will show NXT address to send NXT to as soon as it arrives it will be automatically sent to your ripple wallet

James
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legendary
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utopianfuture,

While it is probably pointless to spend time debating the yuris of the world, think of him as the public perception ddos equivalent. The college prank ddos hit us and hit us hard because the network was so small. Did we ignore it and say, there is no point in beefing up our servers? Hell no! They attacked us, we defended the best we could and now our network is much stronger.

So, when the yuri's of the world attack us are we going to just take it and say there is not point in defending ourselves? Hell no! We MUST defend against this type of attack because it appeals to people's emotions of jealousy. Very powerful and it overrides logic. People will make up their minds emotionally and then find logical reasons to support their decision.

If someone like yuri can attack NXT's very core creation and success and twist it into a plausible "greedy 71" story, then we are in trouble. Since the key part of the story is BCnext's multimillion dollar giveaway, why aren't we pushing that storyline?Huh

Mystery man gives dozens of strangers millions of dollars and disappears!

Isn't that MUCH better for NXT? I want to know how yuri will ddos this

James
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I have heard there are about 10 million unclaimed NXT. I have a plan that would make for great PR for the NXT founders.

All they have to do is vote to distributed a non-founder dividend from the future sales of these 10 million NXT. By setting specific prices with smaller and smaller volumes at higher and higher prices, the total donation of the founders will be many millions of dollars.

BCnext gave all the founders winning lottery tickets.

If all the founders voted to not grab any of the unclaimed NXT (worth millions of dollars), our opponents will somehow have to claim that the horrible greedy NXT founders VOTED to donate money they could have easily kept for themselves. Actions speak louder than words.

Let the cycle of generosity continue!

I know all the non-founders will like this idea of a dividend that only non-founders will get.
I sure hope the founders see the wisdom in doing what BCnext did and spread the wealth.

The PR value from this will be very powerful

James


James,

Unclaimed Nxt should be reserved for network development.
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http://dev.peercover.com/#/simpleGateway

Ripple gateway for NXT, BTC and LTC

Hi,
    I still don't know how to relate my existing ripple wallet to your site.
I have some XRPs in my ripple wallet, and I want to buy some nxt on your site, what should I do, can you give me more detailed instructions to do that,thanks!
   
legendary
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http://dev.peercover.com/#/simpleGateway

Ripple gateway for NXT, BTC and LTC
legendary
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I have heard there are about 10 million unclaimed NXT. I have a plan that would make for great PR for the NXT founders.

All they have to do is vote to distributed a non-founder dividend from the future sales of these 10 million NXT. By setting specific prices with smaller and smaller volumes at higher and higher prices, the total donation of the founders will be many millions of dollars.

BCnext gave all the founders winning lottery tickets.

If all the founders voted to not grab any of the unclaimed NXT (worth millions of dollars), our opponents will somehow have to claim that the horrible greedy NXT founders VOTED to donate money they could have easily kept for themselves. Actions speak louder than words.

Let the cycle of generosity continue!

I know all the non-founders will like this idea of a dividend that only non-founders will get.
I sure hope the founders see the wisdom in doing what BCnext did and spread the wealth.

The PR value from this will be very powerful

James
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We need to fix the image problem that people like yuriygeorge is spreading. It appeals to the masses envy of rich people who they think don't deserve to be rich.

My confusion is why the founds or at least the counter to the 71 greedy bastards rhetoric is that they took a chance and deserve to be rich. Excuse me? We can do much better than that.

How can we update the wiki, videos etc. to reflect BCnext generosity as the main theme of the genesis? Won't that play much better than what we currently say.


James

P.S. Yuri,if you are up for it, I will be happy to debate you point by point.

I read aldrin's post and I don't even know what to say. You shouldn't just sell but also contribute to NXT's cause. I have not seen you much.
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zhangdu

Peercover's ripple address is ra9eZxMbJrUcgV8ui7aPc161FgrqWScQxV

James

thank you!

BTW, gateway web? plz!
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. So stop bitching and be thankful to be apart of this project.
These future  Sergey and Larry will make you very rich even though you don't know who they are.

This is my attitude and belief.  I play poker.  After a lot of research, I went all-in on NXT on Nov 19 for a 4M+ stake.  (Yes, it's money I can afford to lose, but it would certainly be a non-trivial loss).  I'm sitting on it until I see geosynchronous satellites out the window on the way to the moon.  Start the countdown.

As for me....I discovered NXT about 10 days ago,  bought in for .25 BTC last Sunday in the middle of a DDoS attack and DGEX overload.

I'm never going to get private jet levels of wealth out of this, but that doesn't matter.
I'm quite happy with what i expect to get out of NXT and am very bloody pleased to be in on this opportunity.

So, no bitching or begging from me, just gratitude. I've seen enough in the last week to know how bloody hard some people are working to make NXT a success.
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Distribution of NXT among the original 71 vs the rest of us, and the effects this will have on forging revenues for the "little guys" is one of the main points that NXT critics can use against NXT, and I kind of see their point.

If enough people see NXT as a scam coin used by an elite inner circle to get rich, that could play hard against NXT, no matter how good it is or how pure the motives of the initial stakeholders are.

The only solution: give all of the NXT to me, I'll take good care of it..... Roll Eyes

But seriously: I propose some sort of massive giveaway to coincide with the Jan 3 launch.
From what I can see on the blockchain explorer there are only 5000 or so active accounts (seems low, tbh).
Give every account 10,000 NXT, that'll cost 50 million NXT, 5% of the total, and will generate the most publicity ever for a crypto launch.

(imagine the headlines: Crypto-anarchists give away millions! )
And imagine the tsunami rush of new users hoping to get a piece of the action.......ready to buy in hard. Everyone will go to the moon......

i hugely second this idea. but i have to say if there was a large stakeholder who was interested in doing this he would definitely have to keep it quiet and it would definitely have to take everyone totally by surprise. either way if we want this thing to succeed the large stakeholders will HAVE to find ways to get rid of large portions of their stash soon. it must be done and it CANT be put off. I just hope that they understand that giving away huge portions of their stake is more likely to make them wealthy in the future than hording it. everyone has to do anything they can to make sure that the large stake holders understand this.


I have a larger stake, and I agree with your point. I've been consistently selling on the dgex exchange since the beginning, and I've sold about 8 million NXT so far. I'll continue to sell on dgex, and if other exchanges open I'll sell there also. I've started to sell on ripple too. I'll keep selling at a consistent rate until at least 60-70% of my stake is gone.

Hoarding makes no sense. Obviously some big stake holders would prefer others to sell down first, so they can wait and see if they become a billionaire, but for me it's best to hedge my bets and cash out in a steady stream just in case NXT fails. I think I understand the economics of NXT pretty well, and I know my good fortune will not last long if I don't do my bit to spread the NXT around. I would say by now most of the large stake holders can see the obvious thing to do is sell at a consistent rate, leaving yourself a good sized holding (my goal is 0.25% - 1% of the NXT supply once everything settles down). I started with over 4.5%, so I think my plan is balanced, and realistic.

As for the fairness of the initial distribution, I can see why people might have a problem with that. I feel very very fortunate to have done so well out of NXT, but it wasn't luck. I took a huge risk that a complete stranger would not take my bitcoin and disappear, and my risk paid off - but it was a huge risk, with a relatively small amount.

A stranger stands up in a public place and starts speaking - he's very odd and has a 'big idea' - do you give him $130 and watch him walk out the door? He's already told you he's using a false name and will keep his identity secret. That's essentially what the initial investors did.

Why did I do it? Because I'd been trawling over crypto related forums for over a year looking for the cool stuff. Everything looked like a crazy copy-cat coin based on scams and greed, and there didn't seem to be any skill or vision in 90% of the non-bitcoin coins that were being released. The only interesting crypto/math currency systems I could see were Mastercoin, Ripple, eMunie and NXT. I've taken a position in all of those coins.

IMO all the other crypto coins live or die based on the hype around bitcoin. Obviously Mastercoin needs bitcoin to survive, but Ripple & eMunie & NXT can thrive even if bitcoin tanks. I do think Sunny King has contributed a lot of good stuff also. All the rest are clones, even the well thought out ones (CGB, Quark, maybe a few others). I want to be an investor in something good, not a gambler, or a speculator.

BCnext has so far done everything he said he would, but when I sent off my bitcoin he was just a very odd sounding guy with a small number of forum posts, and  a vague description of a POS coin. My good fortune was 1 bitcoin was only worth $130 the day I sent it in, so it was within my comfort zone. If it was today I would not send 1 bitcoin ($750 USD) to an odd sounding stranger.

I think c-f-b might be Yoda.



Great and sincere feedback. I would have done the exact same thing, thinking the same way. There is nothing you can do about luck in life, it happened because it was meant to happen. I came in a week too late for this same position, but this week was meant to be. I still bought some at cheap price so I can not complain now, but everyone should appreciate and understand this feedback, realizing that the initial investors are not random people, but the ones who first saw the potential and believed in something completely new, dealing with the scam risk as always. Reward is deserved, and anyways, it's never too late to come in or to cross good opportunities.
I find your sense of distribution very decent and reasonable. thanks for sharing
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