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Are there some people left who're NOT dumping their Nxt? I see a lot of whales want out.

Why exactly is it?

show me more than 2 dumping whales in last 6 days:
http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=3000&acc=10715382765594435905
- everyone is buying

This is what scares me. I noticed this too, that this price decrease has been done by only 2 guys and about 3M NXT in last 10 days. These 2 guys have still 60M together.
 
I hope other whales don't follow these two.

Why ? We need big whales to spend their money so that the coin is more fairly distributed. Best would be if this is done via forum or private deals though, so that it doesn't affect exchanges.

Funny how one day people are complaining about "Whales" sitting on their NXT, and the next day they are complaining that the "Whales" are putting NXT into circulation. Cheesy
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We could hire http://www.tectonica.co/. They also interested in bitcoins.
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Wesleyh

Your online client->Dashboard-> Green asset owned i see number 4, while I have only 2 assets.



What's your account id

13965125640011039998

Oh man, it "assets OWNED", my bad English Smiley IMO it should be real situation of assets owning.
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That is correct. However, there is no jurisdiction backing up his claim.

If a company doing an IPO on NXT isn't legally incorporated in a state or country, I'd stay the hell away from that investment.

Yep.

In many common law jurisdictions (perhaps civil law jurisdictions as well) "investors" in a common enterprise not carried on through a separate legal entity may be found to be partners in a general partnership and as such would be fully liable for the debts and liabilities of the partnership.

This, plus the fact that selling unregistered securities to the public is often prohibited, makes all these experiments very dangerous legally.


That seems to imply that any and all holders of NXT are "partners in a general partnership and as such would be fully liable for the debts and liabilities of the partnership," since we are all "'investors' in a common enterprise"...etc.

Is this a correct interpretation, cryptolawyer?

There is no legislation regarding cryptos directly, so there are no precedence to look to to provide a clear picture of what will happen in such cases. It really depends on how the court decides to few cryptos. But in the case that they view them in such a way, then applicable laws would apply.

The safest way to approach is to assume that if you can be criminally charged, you will be; If you can possibly be held liable, you will be sued. If you have a good attorney, your good intensions MAY be taken into account in court...Maybe.

The bottom line is that both sides of the fence cannot be played. I people want cryptos to be taken seriously, then we can't forget this. If we want cryptos to be seen as legal tender or legit currency, then we have to expect to have to play by the rules. There is no half way. It has to be all in our all out.

The fact is that some of the developments that have occurred, or are in the process of occurring with NXT leave ALOT of people exposed legally, and could be seen in court to be direct violations and criminal fraud. Truly a can of worms.



I have to admit that I am unsure as to whether a cryptocurrency by itself could be deemed to be a security and therefore form a basis for holders to be deemed partners in a partnership or to deem that an unregistered offering occurred when the initial currency was issued. In fact, the SEC here in the US mused over the issue last year, although they appear not to be pursuing that line of reasoning recently. In the US the outcome may turn on the application of the "Howey" test for securities, and may fail in the requirement that holders expect profits based solely on the efforts of others. Encouragingly, there are examples of non-crypto private currencies having been used for years in some towns in the US, and to my knowledge none have ever blown up in their users' hands.

"Shares" in non-entities where returns are expected from the operations of the non-entity are almost certainly securities under the Howey test, however, and in my opinion dealing in such shares is a much more likely activity to get people in trouble than just holding and using cryptos as a currency. And calling the issuance of these shares "IPOs" (a term widely understood to mean a registered offering) is akin to begging the regulators to take a closer look (and they won't like what they see).

Personally, I hold and use cryptos, as I view the risk of liability in that context to be minimal (and we have other regulators, like FinCEN, affirmatively stating as much in respect of other areas of law). I would not, however, invest in non-entities (crypto or otherwise); most forms of separate legal entities provide limited liability protection for their owners (admittedly to different degrees and subject to certain exceptions), and there is simply no good reason not to avail yourself of such protection. Even if the likelihood of being held personally liable for the business' liabilities is remote, why even go there?

Probably the most risky of all is publicly offering and selling unregistered securities (whether or not of a separate legal entity). In the US this is a textbook violation of SEC regulations and other laws, and my guess is that this is where we'll see the first legal action, either by the SEC itself and/or by an investor who loses money.

And while I am a lawyer, I am not YOUR lawyer, and none of the above is legal advice.

In your opinion, what are the possibilities that the NXT community could be seen as a "general partnership" in the terms that you previously mentioned?(Concerning the fact that we have elected committees who have termed themselves "governance" and are seeking to enter into contracts with potential investors, communal asset gateways with holding accounts for the purpose of holding others funds, ETC. all under the pretense of being a decentralized ecosystem.)

I am not trying to be negative, but from what I understand and based on advice that I have received this seems to me to be something that may be a reason of concern for everyone involved;  I would like to know your opinion.
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http://www.cryptocoinstuff.com/ is supporting Nxt payments via coinpayments. I just sent them our stickers
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Current sites about NXT are terrible.

I like my site Cry



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sorry but it looks like from the last century

Thank god the last century is not far away Grin
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Wesleyh

Your online client->Dashboard-> Green asset owned i see number 4, while I have only 2 assets.



What's your account id

13965125640011039998
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Will be there some plan to have some kind of "home page" for assets? I will buy shares of firm, startup, idea, coin ... and then I will go there (inside wallet?) and check:

  • actual details about firm or startup, idea, coin
  • what I actualy own and some details (in %, current price, etc..)
  • chat section using Nxt Arbitrary Messaging
  • connection directly to the firm owners using Nxt Arbitrary Messaging
  • graphs how well it is going

You could imagine it as Google Play only instead of "My Applications" section there will be "My Assets" and you will see there rich information about the current asset, people's reviews, live charts.

Is something like this planned? Even in super simple version for start = Informations + Nxt Arbitrary Messaging. I think it is very important for Nxt success.
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Here it is in NON-Greek. NXT needs a USDollar to NXT exchange preferably in New York. NXT does not need listed on another exchange that must first have funds pass through BTC before NXT.

The Chinese can buy NXT directly with Yuan at bter, Americans or anyone with dollars cannot buy NXT without first buying BTC.
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Current sites about NXT are terrible.

I like my site Cry



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sorry but it looks like from the last century
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We really need to consolidate everything about NXT and make it accessible to a layperson. I stopped reading this topic every day for a few weeks and I've come back and I feel like I'm over my head a little with all the new terminology and concepts. I can imagine to an average Joe or a complete newcomer it would be like Greek to them.

We also need to target an exchange like BTC-e or Kraken, which has USD capabilities and a new base of customers who haven't been exposed to NXT. Or maybe even Bitstamp. You may think aiming for Bitstamp is too big but Ripple got on there. I'm guessing Ripple bought there way onto there. How much $$$ would we need to raise to encourage Bitstamp to work with us?

In terms of the recent downtrend in price, I have been in this community and was buying Litecoin and Peercoin back when they were worth cents. I've seen every up and down. Downtrends can last months. But when the uptrend hits, the upward spike can lead to 500% increases in a short number of days. And then lead to further upward spikes. My prediction: when Bitcoin goes on it's next upward rocket, alts will decline temporarily and then they will rocket upwards too and it will be coins like NXT that really shoot up. My other comment about price, it's been clear since the early days due to a number of people suddenly having 1000BTC profit or more from NXT, that there is going to be a continual downward pressure as they cash out bit by bit without trying to crash the market. Sooner or later they will be all done cashing out at the current price level, the majority of it seems to be over now. I haven't explained that eloquently but I've thought about it a lot.

Just my random thoughts.
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Also I don't like the fact that some people are losing patience and leaving and by some people I mean NXT veterans.

Which vets have left?
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Current sites about NXT are terrible.

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I still dont know if the salt is for bath or eating, but that video made me realize that salt must be so cool:
http://saltsworldwide.com/salts-worldwide-aboutus/

Now I just need to find that chick and hire her from some pricerr site Cheesy
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Did you see the interesting analysis of dmkaplan2000 in the "original" thread?

Hi,

I did some statistical analyses on the NXT blockchain that may be useful information for others looking into NXT or for tracking progress of the network. A report of what I found is available on github:

https://github.com/dmkaplan2000/nxt_state/blob/master/nxt_state.md

I will copy the report summary below.  Questions, comments and corrections are welcome.

Cheers,
David

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Summary

This report consists of statistical analyses of the NXT blockchain to assess network activity and buy-in. Time series of NXT transaction activity are calculated, and the set of NXT accounts is analyzed for wealth distribution and investment level. Time series analyses indicate that after an initial period of intense interest and activity, NXT transaction levels have declined steadily over the last ~2 months. This suggests that potential NXT investors are waiting for new features or dynamics to come online before investing in the NXT network. The recent downturn in Bitcoin's fortunes undoubtedly also has had an effect on the entire cryptocurrency market. Nevertheless, the number of NXT accounts continues to grow and the fraction of all NXT that is forging has remained relatively stable.

95% of all NXT are deposited in ~460 NXT accounts. NXT accounts can be broken down into well identifiable groups based on account activity and balance. This account clustering analysis suggests that ~840 accounts represents the core group of NXT activists and investors. The majority of the remaining NXT accounts consists of one-time-use, low-balance faucet accounts.

The alias system has attracted significant interest, whereas the message system has received limited use. The prior is in part due to significant speculation by a small group of NXT users and the current low cost of assigning aliases. The latter will likely change as new features, such as asset exchange, come online.

Overall, this analysis suggests that NXT has a non-negligible community, but needs a shakeup in order to assure continued growth and increase investor and vendor buy-in.
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cryptolawyer,

The news that NY State is inviting cryptocurrency exchanges to operate within the official auspices of NY law is exciting!   See source here: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-york-state-to-welcome-regulated-bitcoin-exchanges/

Ballpark me a figure that it would cost to set up a trading exchange (exchange could be defined as gateway--fiat to crypto gateway) in NY from the legal/regulatory perspective. Nxt community could have a regulated and registered fiat gateway in New York State now for a price. Let's position Nxt to be the cryptocurrency platform that can be used by the USA to issue the cryptodollar. There is lots of bandwidth available in the New York Financial District and with a little regulatory guidance, the Nxt devs and technology, and the right amount of investment, there is massive potential.
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Wesleyh

Your online client->Dashboard-> Green asset owned i see number 4, while I have only 2 assets.



What's your account id
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Wesleyh

Your online client->Dashboard-> Green asset owned i see number 4, while I have only 2 assets.

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I hope other whales don't follow these two.

You should hope other whales DO follow these two...  don't focus only on the selling part of the trade...  the NXT traded were bought by some other interested party...  focus on the buying interest and/or what these new holders are planning to do...  plus the whole redistribution aspect.

I agree but like i said too much of this "good" thing is bad for NXT. They should leave some breathing room and let the price recover a bit and then do it again. Trust me there are many people that are selling out there when they see the price doing down daily, last 14 days. I don't care, I am not one of them since I believe in NXT completely, but not everybody are like me and you.

Everything in life is about balance, whales dumping is about balance as well.
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after I contacted admin he asked me: "Is the NXT community interested in the products we offer?"

http://saltsworldwide.com/

are we interested? to buy salt by nxt? I use salt quite often

Lol, no.
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