Topic: NXT :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information - page 45. (Read 2761629 times)

I volunteer to help with Solarion. I have messed up many times on many things. I've lost NXT but didn't ever complain or tell people about it, just kept on going. I've said many times in other threads that I'm not too technical and it's true.

I've loaded a few different nxt clients. Got them to work less than half of the time. Sometimes when they work, they won't see my balance.  I even some how got a node to forge once and was afraid to turn my computer off, so I let it run for two weeks! Finally forged a block but got 0 fees. :-( I gave up.

Not just nxt, I've had lots if problems getting bitcoin stuff to work.

I have lost NXT, done aliases completely wrong, and continued failed getting clients working properly. I sent real nxt to the test nxt. I also almost logged into test nxt with my real account once! (Knowing I wasn't supposed to but just making a mistake) I entered my password manually wrong sooooo many times but then Ivebeenbit suggested I get Keepass. Somehow I ended up with Lastpass but I like it a lot and recommend it too! Very useful programs. I also have a mac and windows 8.

I've always wanted to help the community but didn't really have a good way.

I'm also fairly diplomatic when I want to be, so if you'd like, I can test too!

Agreed, especially since NXT is a little "different" (it's really not, Bitcoin and clones just hide the brainwallet side).

voting about accepting Nxt they want: https://twitter.com/Chronicstarmedi/status/452520444978290688 - but their shop is little suspicious - maybe good for our dutch green nxters

seems got it,thanks ,C-f-B

+10, so client

+10, much agreement

Like the last line, my favourite bit.

But: I think that solarion should stick around and be appointed to official client tester status. Really.....he managed to f**k things up with the NRS client inside his first few minutes of being in NXT. Takes a special kind of genius that few others have managed, and he has actually done us a service by rubbing our noses in the password security and client issues, as well as pointing out that we need to streamline and clarify the process of getting into NXT.

Solarion could have been a lot more diplomatic about it and it would have been nice if he'd done any f**king research at all about NXT, but some of us could have been a little less quick to start throwing the troll accusations.
(Tho' some of us were amazingly patient....msin, Ian, Twin, McJ   )
Check solarions profile, he's an easily angered miner, not a professional NXT troll, imho

So, how do we respond ?

The password security and client issues will be (mostly) solved if we get people away from using the NRS client and onto pretty much any other client.
I've just tried to put myself into the mindset of a n00b who wants some NXT, and it's still bloody confusing trying to figure out how the hell to get into NXT.
We really need to streamline things *A LOT* to make life easier for the average user.

Solution time:
Look at the landing pages for most cryptos: blah, blah, client download, exchange, mining pools. Not very information rich....
Lets make a completely idiot-proof starters guide for getting into NXT. One page, preferably less, of clear instructions.

Spread this idiots guide to all NXT sites, make it the default NRS and client download page, preferably with very small download buttons and an "I swear I have read all of the above" checkbox.

This way, all of the possible 'gateways' into NXT will have the same instructions, and hopefully they will be followed. If we emphasise the use of non-NRS clients, preferably wesleys, this should cut out a lot of opportunities for people to balls things up for themselves, and cut down on the number of angry, $40 poorer people posting on the forums.

If everyone thinks that an "ïdiots guide" universal start page is a good idea, i'd like msin (if solarion doesn't want it ) to put the 1593 NXT towards a bounty for the idiots guide.

No. Right now 10 Nxt confirms ~ 1 Bitcoin confirm.

I am not a leader at all, due to lack of time because of my IRL job, I´m just trying to help where I can. I was hoping to dedicate my time 100% to Nxt by now, but unfortunatelly the price didn´t go to the moon

It is little sad, but actually http://www.nxtclient.org/ is not a good place for beginners - there is still no rating so newbies are lost and don't know which client to choose

Let's use only this link: http://nxtra.org/nxt-wallet/ in our forums OP and on our sites, like wiki, nxtcrypto, mynxt or any local lites
- wesley could maybe add some red warning about brainwallet
+ we can offer using client with wallet.dat: https://github.com/incentivetoken/offspring/wiki/Getting-Started

Who agrees?

Ok. Thank you for taking the lead! We need abunch more guys like you!

I did. The current structure was made when I asked him to reorganize it. But it seems, that is still not ok like this.

Can you save it as encrypted? The user picks a password (his choice, could be weak, doesn't matter)?

Meh, it is more like bitcoinD and bitcoin QT. You download both but they are independent. The forgers will know or atleast will try to find out what they need to do, but for newbs the serve+its interface is redundant. We have the java server , that is our bitcoinD, but we are missing a bitcoin QT, our NRS interface is only a quick and dirty fix, imo.

https://127.0.0.1:7875

NRS is only the Nxt server ....

NRS is NXT So it's understandable why it's the main link everywhere. Clients are just GUI interfaces that interact with NRS server. NRS server comes with default "client" that user can use at 27.0.0.1:7875 .. If it didn't include that default client, no one would be confused.

I sent Jean Luk PM almost two weeks to make it a priority to replace the client.  If  nothing else, just remove the client from the server software, as was the original plan. No one would then be mistakenly confusing NRS server with clients.

Hi solarion and msin and Nxt community,

solarion, I hope you stick around and try another client after you set up a new Nxt account and verify that you have access with a few small NXT transfers. msin offered to reimburse solarion for his mistake in account creation. What other coin developers offer to replace lost money (coins) when end-users make mistakes?

Nxt is 5 months old. solarion lost $40 and was offered reimbursement from a Nxt community member. That is awesome! Keep up the good dev, testing, and new user education Nxt community!

That is a valid point, but this is a decentralised community, someone must take command to do something? Why don't you write OP and tell him to rephrase the OP? I am 100% sure he will do this, as he has done many times before on request

Calling everyone who criticise Nxt a troll is not a good idea, I think.

Solarion raised a valid (and recurring point) here, as well as BrianNowhere did. Yes, the way how he communicates is not nice, but I can understand this, as he lost his money. (even if it was his fault) If we want Average Joe to use Nxt (no, not the Joe from bitcointalk, but the Joe from Facebook), we need to make it foolproof. This takes some time, but instead of arguing, the developers should keep improving the clients to make it more user friendly as they are doing it ny by releasing new versions again and again.