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Quote from: Jean-Luc on March 01, 2014, 10:04:45 AM

I have made the current source code repository public:

https://bitbucket.org/JeanLucPicard/nxt/

Master branch is still 0.7.6, develop is 0.8.3 plus latest unreleased changes.

Cool. Thanks!

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Quote from: Jean-Luc on March 01, 2014, 01:01:12 PM

This is what I plan to do next:

Jean-Luc, it is a wonderful thing to have a sense of direction expressed from the core of the NXT dev team. Please make posts like this more often. Thnak you (and BCNext, and all the rest) for your and their hard work to put NXT on such a firm foundation of solid code.

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i find it hard to believe that i only posted in this thread 83 times

83 is two month ago, now it is 527!

How hard would it be to bump this from 100 people to 300 or even 500 people? I am looking for involved NXTers to send these ballot codes to...

the list is actually 1018 lines long, I cut it to only 100, the following is top500:

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Quote from: Damelon on March 01, 2014, 08:30:11 PM

Quote from: sparta_cuss on March 01, 2014, 08:11:06 PM

...
"Selfish miners (those who only mine to earn fees) should be "removed" from the system. They are not interested in the success of Nxt and only want to cash out."

...

Basically, this discussion has been had over the last week.
It's immediately linked to forging payouts.

"Selfish" (although some, including me, prefer the term "passive") forgers will, if they are not rewarded more than "break even" for running a node, in all probability not run a node if they have other motives than earning "free Nxt".

"Active" forgers, ie. forgers that run a service, would do so, because it allows them to run their service, and cut out operating costs.

So, passive forgers would not be "cut out" in any active sense. It would just not be attractive in their terms to do so.

However, this discussion is still ongoing. James (jl777) for instance, has proposed methods for these people to earn coins by aggregating CPU power.

That helps. Right now I'm a passive forger, mainly because I am not technical enough to contribute by creating some new product or service. As NXT matures and metalayrers are enhanced and simplified, that will change, I think.

It helps me to think in terms of analogies. So I think of NXT as the transportation infrastructure: roads, signs, lights, etc. that support the more interesting things - movement of commodities, communication, currencies, etc. As a forger, I operate a toll booth on one of those roads. According to my NXT "contract" (forging), I maintain my little part of the highway in return for getting a little bit of the tolls. Right now, the tolls are extremely low. Like you, I don't earn enough to keep the lights on on my part of the highway. But increasing the tolls may not be the answer. My "philosophical" question goes back to BCNext's quote. We can think of the toll booth operator as a parasite who is only benefiting the infrastructure because doing so serves his selfish interests. Or we can think of the tooth booth operator as someone who deserves a bit of a payout for providing a valuable service to the infrastructure. I think BCNext was concerned about the parasites, and rightly so. But what makes a parasite?

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Quote from: Damelon on March 01, 2014, 07:14:30 PM

Quote from: Jerical13 on March 01, 2014, 07:03:09 PM

I think the format of what Damelon is doing is exactly what I was talking about. I read his blogs sometimes when they are posted on facebook, didn't realize there was an ongoing library on this site. There should be a link to his blog on the NXT website.

I like how there is an indication at the top of the blog indicating it's topic relevance and in a sense its technical and difficulty level. I would suggest putting info on there that is more basic and descriptive of NX;.

Stuff aimed at audiences who are new to NXT or new to cryptos entirely, and more advanced technical stuff aimed at audiences who are in need of that type of info, as an improvement on what he has done. His work is NXT grad student. It would be nice to have Nxt undergrad and NXT college prep and NXT doctoral work in the same location and in the same format as what he is doing, and to have that site be the go to site for info. That would be a perfect example of my meaning.

I have read Damelon's stuff as I stated previously and it has helped me, but some of it above my level of knowledge as I am not so indoctrinated, and in his own work he admits his own lack of indoctrination in the highly technical. No offense to Damelon, as his work is really done well. He is a propaganda master.

But he is doing relativity and quantum mechanics. There is no Sting theory. There is no Newton. Not a knock to Damelon or a knock to anyone else who has been doing this kind of stuff. It is just that the topic of NXT is so vast. As much as I am in love with the thought of decentralizing the NXT economy as much as possible, I like the idea of centralized NXT information.

I guess that is what my point is. If more basic info and more tech info were added to what he is doing, coupled with the format he is using that allows for updating and audience targeting, when someone asked for a place to look to learn about NXT they could be directed there and would have to look no further.

They could go there and easily index information at a level that they could grasp with out having to search all over the place, sift through info that they are not capable of understanding or info that is elementary and redundant to them. Information that would highlight NXT to our communities advantage and indoctrinate in the ways of NXT.

You're not bashing me at all: you're giving me helpful pointers

I líke the idea of topics ordered according to "school levels".

I won't be able to make the university parts, but I can do the simpler stuff, like explaining why cryptos exist in the first place. That even gives me the opportunity to go into the philosophy behind it, which is fun!

I have been thinking about doing stuff like that anyway, but needed a format, and you just provided it, so thanks!

This is exactly why I like this thread, by the way. This wouldn't have come up if it wásn't such a chaotic place Wink

Right on.

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Quote from: sparta_cuss on March 01, 2014, 08:11:06 PM

I was reviewing BCNext's plan as told by CfB here (http://wiki.nxtcrypto.org/wiki/BCNext%27s_Plan), and again was pulled up short by this line.

"Selfish miners (those who only mine to earn fees) should be "removed" from the system. They are not interested in the success of Nxt and only want to cash out."

Have others already talked about what this might mean? How could/should such removal occur? There is a technical question about how to determine if an account is linked to productive, supportive assets, services, etc. And there is a followup question about how such removal occurs.

This is relevant to the fee discussion that has generated some heat here. But I am more interested in the philosophical question: what does it mean to support NXT? Does it only mean to create/buy/sell assets, second-order currencies, etc.?

(If I've missed the discussion, just point me to a post or thread, please. I didn't see this particular "removal" line addressed in the other forums.)

Basically, this discussion has been had over the last week.
It's immediately linked to forging payouts.

"Selfish" (although some, including me, prefer the term "passive") forgers will, if they are not rewarded more than "break even" for running a node, in all probability not run a node if they have other motives than earning "free Nxt".

"Active" forgers, ie. forgers that run a service, would do so, because it allows them to run their service, and cut out operating costs.

So, passive forgers would not be "cut out" in any active sense. It would just not be attractive in their terms to do so.

However, this discussion is still ongoing. James (jl777) for instance, has proposed methods for these people to earn coins by aggregating CPU power.

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James,

I tried get a screen shot of the Bitgem client that I was talking to you about earlier and had no luck. Here is a link to download the client setup for it if you have time to check it out to see my meaning. http://cryptosource.org/bitgem-mandatory-update-released/

It allows for holding several types of coins with several types of values, (you will see). my thought was that this type of wallet (if possible to do) would let NXT users keep the coins that came through your gateway in the NXT network to be sent and received, and increase the number of transactions and fees to our network instead of sending them back to their original network (In a sense hijacking them). It could also let them send and receive regular AE assets (which would be handy for using the AE assets as sub-currencies NXT currency). It may also make the AE less cumbersome to use as once people purchased an asset they could spend it through their wallet and not the AE. If it is possible it would really compliment the gateway you are working on. If you have some time to kill maybe check it out and see what you think.

Also I was wondering about fees for your gateway. Will there be fees for the holding account? Will they be the same as regular NXT transactions?

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I was reviewing BCNext's plan as told by CfB here (http://wiki.nxtcrypto.org/wiki/BCNext%27s_Plan), and again was pulled up short by this line.

"Selfish miners (those who only mine to earn fees) should be "removed" from the system. They are not interested in the success of Nxt and only want to cash out."

Have others already talked about what this might mean? How could/should such removal occur? There is a technical question about how to determine if an account is linked to productive, supportive assets, services, etc. And there is a followup question about how such removal occurs.

This is relevant to the fee discussion that has generated some heat here. But I am more interested in the philosophical question: what does it mean to support NXT? Does it only mean to create/buy/sell assets, second-order currencies, etc.?

(If I've missed the discussion, just point me to a post or thread, please. I didn't see this particular "removal" line addressed in the other forums.)

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http://techcrunch.com/2014/02/15/kickstarter-coins-2/?ncid=reddit_social_share

This article is describing something that sounds a lot like NXTcoins!

One nuance that might have escaped you (it did me at first) is that we dont even need a gateway for NXTcoins. Mined or issued, they immediately infuse NXT AE with additional capital, which is clearly a good thing.
Each NXTcoins gets priced directly in NXT and indirectly to all the cryptos that the gateway supports.

Create a NXTcoins and instantly get a built in decentralized exchange and conversion into dozens of other cryptos. As soon as we get fiat gateways into AE, add conversion to fiat for all the NXTcoins

James

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Quote from: MintPal-Jay on March 01, 2014, 08:21:20 AM

Hi Guys,

Just an update on the NXT market at MintPal. We really regret to say that we won't be able to add it. While our scripts were largely working, we simply didn't have the confidence or understanding required for it, in comparison to Bitcoin and other altcoins, especially when it comes to handling trading.

We will be refunding all voting payments in 48 hours automatically, though you can contact us if you require an alternative arrangement.

Full announcement here - https://support.mintpal.com/index.php?module=announce&sec=view&id=7

Very disappointing. Why did the other exchanges manage to add Nxt? For me it seems, that you want to better use your time by adding more btc clones as it is easy money for you...

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Quote from: EvilDave on March 01, 2014, 07:05:33 PM

@Jerical13:

Please use some punctuation, paragraphs, line breaks etc......your block of text approach is doing my nut in.

Like what u say, just break it up a bit....

Sorry EvilDave. I will try to remember that.

"doing my nut in" LOL

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Quote from: Damelon on March 01, 2014, 06:32:39 PM

Quote from: Marc De Mesel on March 01, 2014, 06:22:03 PM

Hi guys

Congratulations with NXT! Really great job of you all!

I made a video why I invested half my bitcoins into NXT. Hope u like it.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ruYAxKeWxnM

(I'm an early investor in Bitcoin, see all my video's here: http://www.youtube.com/user/Marcdemesel/videos?shelf_id=1&view=0&sort=dd)

Welcome to the thread

Nice to see new people coming in and taking the time to introduce themselves.

Looking at the video now.

Hi, my name is James, and I am a Pisces, and I don't mean any offense but I have never ever been good at small talk. I think that the area of my brain that is responsible for social behavior is retarded, so if I come across as rude, it may be that you are mistaking rude for slightly retarded. Cheesy

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is testnet still down?

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Quote from: Mario123 on March 01, 2014, 10:02:21 AM

Who wants to develop a lightweight NXT tool for Windows or Mac, which sits just in your taskbar/menubar (see picture as a mockup)?
I'm no developer, so somebody needs to step up for this. But I could make a nice landing page for it Wink

Idea:
Installing and running this little tool should be hassle free. You can lookup your account, use main Nxt functions (like sending NXT, messaging), activate/deactivate forging right from the menu and you see some general blockchain stats.

That way, we could promote this little gadget as a simple and lightweight tool which runs smoothly in the background, forging for you (or not) and securing the Nxt network.

Wouldn't you and newcomers love this lightweight and unobtrusive tool which actively secures the Nxt network?

Here is a mockup with stolen elements of a famous UI Wink

(I posted this idea once (or twice) before but no dev wanted to do it yet)

I would like to have the nodecoin-qt take this form!
It would require forging to be enabled to "mine" nodecoins.
It will also be monitoring the NXT blockchain so it can perform peer reviews of gateway balances, NXTcash, etc.

I will be making a small C library that can be linked or compiled into anything, but I dont do GUI,so I need someone to add the user friendly installation and these tray icon things.

I open this project to bids. If you are able to do this, submit your bid on how much it will cost and if I like it, then the project is yours. It needs to be open source and either multiplatform (unix, mac, windows) or three different versions.

James

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Quote from: chanc3r on March 01, 2014, 01:55:07 PM

Quote from: jl777 on March 01, 2014, 06:58:35 AM

I did see one case where I submitted a transaction to the dogecoin network but it just never appeared. I am not sure what to do in this case as when I tried to resubmit it, I kept getting error -22, eg. you already sent that transaction. due to the requirement that all servers generate identical rawtransactions, once one server gets in a confused state, it will take some fiddling to sync all three servers again. This is why I am thinking it will take a while before this is production ready. Just need to make all the gateway management tools.

does anybody know how often bitcoin blockchains are rolled back? How much time to be sure it wont be? For larger deposits, I am thinking of issuing assets that cant be redeemed right away to limit exposure to blockchain rollbacks

James

James I used to work with 3 computers voting for chemical plant control, what we did there was if one computer got confused and was continually voting wrong it would take an update from one of the others and verify it with the other one and if both updates agreed it would reload itself with that copy.

I.e. the continually 'wrong' node would update itself by cloning one of the other 2 (which were agreeing) and verifying itself with the one it didn't clone from, as the other two were agreeing they should be identical and therefore after the clone all 3 are then in sync again.

Don't know if that helps you resolve the confused state.

If you ever get in the state that all 3 nodes do not align then this is a critical state and requires human intervention but I'm sure you know this.

I dont really want to be overwriting the bitcoind on one gateway with the versions from the other gateways. I think what happened was that one of the gateways got on a fork, so if this happens, then all withdrawals would stop until all three are back on the same fork. By having three gateways geographically separate, if all three are on the same fork, I think that is pretty good assumption that it is the right fork.

After thinking about it, we really dont want to be processing any withdrawals when we are on a fork. I still dont know what sort of cases I need to handle as far as blockchain rollbacks. How frequently do they really happen and most importantly how far back? All transactions (deposits and withdrawals) that happened after the rollback point would be undone. But deposits -> NXT asset -> NXT -> external exchange -> BTC could well have happened so, there clearly needs to be some sort of mechanism to deal with this.

Currently, I am thinking about issuing a slightly different asset for a large deposit, eg. BTC.hold. This is the same as BTC asset but it cant be withdrawn. BTC.hold would probably trade at a slight discount to unrestricted BTC. After we are sure that there wont be a rollback that affects a specific deposit, the users NXT acct would get the ability to convert BTC.hold into normal BTC asset. They would just send the BTC.hold back and get normal BTC asset back. The only issue I see with this is that somebody who trades for BTC.hold but doesnt deposit BTC himself wouldnt be able to convert it, he would have to sell it via AE. However, since he bought it via AE in the first place, maybe this isnt really a problem...

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Nr 1 PC blew out it's PSU this time yesterday. Much diagnostics and wiring later.....
Here I am again, on top of this Everest of a thread once more.

I think we should keep it, btw, it's become such a central feature of NXT for me and many others.
I do also think we should make an effort to hive more information off to the other 2 fora, keep them populated and allow small group, focused discussions, with an easy overview of specific topics.

Quote from: brooklynbtc on March 01, 2014, 09:48:22 AM

man keeping up with this thread is a third job

+10

Few thoughts about things:

Voting. I cant believe that anyone would seriously propose to exclude annoying people from voting. Looking at u, eMule.....
If he/she/it fulfils the criteria, let 'em vote. And eMule made a joke recently, too:

Quote from: Emule on March 01, 2014, 06:42:40 AM

I would like to have an audit on the DGEX exchange to prevent mtgox scenario!

I lol'ed, a bit....

MintPal. Got to give them credit for being straight about their inability to implement NXT:

Quote from: MintPal-Jay on March 01, 2014, 08:21:20 AM

Hi Guys,

Just an update on the NXT market at MintPal. We really regret to say that we won't be able to add it. While our scripts were largely working, we simply didn't have the confidence or understanding required for it, in comparison to Bitcoin and other altcoins, especially when it comes to handling trading.

We will be refunding all voting payments in 48 hours automatically, though you can contact us if you require an alternative arrangement.

Full announcement here - https://support.mintpal.com/index.php?module=announce&sec=view&id=7

They get my vote for honest crypto types of the week. In a world of scammers, I appreciate the honesty.
Pity for them that NXT AE is about to make exchanges completely obsolete....
I present: the amazing jl777 and his performing Doge gateway. Take my hat off to you mate. +all

Open source. NXT rules.

Quote from: Jean-Luc on March 01, 2014, 10:04:45 AM

I have made the current source code repository public:

https://bitbucket.org/JeanLucPicard/nxt/

Master branch is still 0.7.6, develop is 0.8.3 plus latest unreleased changes.

Engage....one month early.

Seriously, I have a feeling that NXT is about to catch another wave in the next week or two. Things are going to move very quickly.....

And thanks for the votes for Infrastructure Committee so far, it'll be an honour to serve. (probably)

I'm going to upgrade VPS and private nodes in the next hour or so. Any 8.3 issues yet?

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Quote from: Damelon on March 01, 2014, 04:24:52 PM

Quote from: salsacz on March 01, 2014, 02:36:52 PM

reading for asset exchange people:
http://techcrunch.com/2014/02/15/kickstarter-coins-2/?ncid=reddit_social_share

Just read this and it's a very inspiring article.
Required reading for anyone who wants to know the power of AE.

That is what I'm saying!!! We have been given a gift by BCNxt and (I'll probably catch hell over this) the original stake holders of NXT. NXT is the Hulk Hogan of cryptos......

"WATCHA GONNA WHEN THE AE AND A MILLION NXT MANIACS COME DOWN ON YOU BROTHER?"

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