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to put it in numbers
Account  1900 Nxt

1440 blocs per day
1 blocs per year with 1900 Nxt
fee per bloc (For example) 100
Profit per year 5.3%
5.3% must greater than cost of maintaining the node and remain immobilized the funds (oportunity cost)

If 1 Nxt = 1 dollar

Account  with 1900 Nxt will generate 100 Nxt = 100 dollar for maintaining the node and remain immobilized the funds (oportunity cost)

Keep thinking.  You had to run this node for a year, so the 100 dollars has to cover a monthly operations cost of 100/12 = $8.33 per month

So....

IF the block you capture once a year has 100 NXT in fees in it and
IF each NXT is worth $1 and
IF your monthly hardware amortization, bandwidth costs, and electricity costs are less than $8.33 per month

Then you made a monthly profit = $8.33 - monthly server costs

Anybody out there running a VPN for less than $8.33 per month?  


I pay 20 dollar per month for 2MB VPS. Because i belive in nxt ecosystem

The quetión is whether we can increase the number of transactions per block to 100
The question is whether a 1900 nxt node will want to wait a year to forge
The question is whether the value will rise soon nxt 1 dollar
The question is profitable to keep the funds in an account standing. which is the opportunity cost

Keep thinking.  You've got $1900 in cash.  How much can somebody make per month with $1900 spent on joining a DOGE pool instead of acquiring a stake in NXT?
NXT is in competition with the real world running on a profit motive.   Believers in the NXT ecosystem are going to be running at a loss, month after month...


is much better nxt ecosystem.

the cost of maintaining the network is a lot more economical.

inflation is a lot smaller.
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NXT is the future

Do we have an testreport from AE?

Is it ready to implement, what is the status?

Do our clients support the AE to devs satisfaction? wesleyh, marcus03, minusbalancer, etc...)

 Roll Eyes
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Shut up, Emule. You have no sense of humor. Go drink your aperitifs with your friends.
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Throwing out some suggestions here on prevention of centralization due to leased forging power...

Set a hard limit on size of a pool's effectiveBalance consisting of leased power.  Maybe 5M or 10M NXT or something like that?  We may even want to set a limit to max size of a single account's effectiveBalance, such that if a single account's balance is higher than, say, 10M NXT, then its effectiveBalance is limited to 10M.  Users could then choose to split accounts and forge on different machines that would then provide a measure of redundancy.

And since these countermeasures *could* be broken via configurations of software/hardware if the pool operator or user *really* wanted to, I think we still should pursue the TF option of selecting secondary, tertiary and even 4th and 5th accounts that could quickly forge a block should higher priority accounts fail to forge in a quick manner.
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Below u'll find a short description of the Nxt communication system. This is the 2nd plan of our decentralization. 1st one you can find here.


hours and hours of communication

Did you ever send a copy of the signed form to Steven?

Did you fill it and sent it to Steven?

So, no, I did not send the form in to Steven.  I did not know I was supposed to.

  Cheesy

THIS yes  Cheesy and that salsa dud laughing all the way to bter.

community is paying that salsa dude 40K a month, without all the other gifts and bybitcoin give him another 100k for "THE POOL" but he mistakenly put it on his account Cheesy

seriously guys
legendary
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Ian Knowles - CIYAM Lead Developer
Suppose someone leases forging power to a pool, and then forgets about it... Wouldn't he eventually own all nxt in existence?

Not possible as no reasonable person is likely to "spend their very last NXT" on a transaction fee.
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to put it in numbers
Account  1900 Nxt

1440 blocs per day
1 blocs per year with 1900 Nxt
fee per bloc (For example) 100
Profit per year 5.3%
5.3% must greater than cost of maintaining the node and remain immobilized the funds (oportunity cost)

If 1 Nxt = 1 dollar

Account  with 1900 Nxt will generate 100 Nxt = 100 dollar for maintaining the node and remain immobilized the funds (oportunity cost)

Keep thinking.  You had to run this node for a year, so the 100 dollars has to cover a monthly operations cost of 100/12 = $8.33 per month

So....

IF the block you capture once a year has 100 NXT in fees in it and
IF each NXT is worth $1 and
IF your monthly hardware amortization, bandwidth costs, and electricity costs are less than $8.33 per month

Then you made a monthly profit = $8.33 - monthly server costs

Anybody out there running a VPN for less than $8.33 per month?  


I pay 20 dollar per month for 2MB VPS. Because i belive in nxt ecosystem

The quetión is whether we can increase the number of transactions per block to 100
The question is whether a 1900 nxt node will want to wait a year to forge
The question is whether the value will rise soon nxt 1 dollar
The question is profitable to keep the funds in an account standing. which is the opportunity cost

Keep thinking.  You've got $1900 in cash.  How much can somebody make per month with $1900 spent on joining a DOGE pool instead of acquiring a stake in NXT?
NXT is in competition with the real world running on a profit motive.   Believers in the NXT ecosystem are going to be running at a loss, month after month...
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I dont see how this would increase forging with smaller account. unless I am missing something.
If you have one NXT and 999,999,999 others have one nxt, your chances of forging a block are pretty small.
forging is important, it will keep the network decentralized.

The idea is simply to make it more likely that even a forging account with 1 NXT has a pretty good chance.


Why?

possibilities can not be increased but can advance fees in time 2 3 days if your rights  fees share with people who have for example 99999 nxt

in the worst case in a year and 100,000 nxt  and 1440 blocks per day
would forging 52.6 blocks per year

nearly one per week. probably every 2 3 days
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Just something that came to mind regarding the pooled forging issue.
Suppose someone leases forging power to a pool, and then forgets about it... Wouldn't he eventually own all nxt in existence? And the more it leases the lesser it would take. I'm still thinking many years but still....
I think transaction fees are ok as an anti-spam patch, but down along the road it could mean disaster...
Even when bitcoin mining won't generate any new bitcoins, someone mining and not spending bitcoins will eventually own all of them, but mining in bitcoin means power and hardware costs, while in nxt there are none or are incorporated in the forgin pool cut...
Am I missing something?
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Below u'll find a short description of the Nxt communication system. This is the 2nd plan of our decentralization. 1st one you can find here.


hours and hours of communication

Did you ever send a copy of the signed form to Steven?

Did you fill it and sent it to Steven?

So, no, I did not send the form in to Steven.  I did not know I was supposed to.

  Cheesy
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Ian Knowles - CIYAM Lead Developer
Why?

I am not so sure my first idea was a good one but my concern is that if most people become uninterested in forging it could make the network less resilient in the (hopefully unlikely) case of pool servers being shut down by authorities in particular.

So I am quite happy to drop that idea but I still think the problem of "penalty" needs to be considered as well as the problem of having "too much forging power" amongst a small number of pools.
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I dont see how this would increase forging with smaller account. unless I am missing something.
If you have one NXT and 999,999,999 others have one nxt, your chances of forging a block are pretty small.
forging is important, it will keep the network decentralized.

The idea is simply to make it more likely that even a forging account with 1 NXT has a pretty good chance.


Why?
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rickyjames: print the form, fill the form, scan the form, send it to Stephen Smiley Nifty was also in a phone contact with Paul, so lets wait for his news too
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We already have it - any account with 1 NXT can forge. Odds to find a block is another question.

The purpose of my proposal is to "change the odds" (in favour of the small stake holder).


For example, with 2358 Nxt I can forge the next block in 345 days.

and I believe that the reward will be 0 nxt, in my opinion it is not right  this is not EQUALITY  Undecided

I do not understand. You create only 1 block per year. What exactly do you expect? 1000 NXTs for that?

I recently pondered about the discussion of inequality. I think it only stems from a perceived stagnation of the value associated with the amount of NXT a person has.

Let A be amount of NXTs and t1 and t2 two different timestamps. Humans cannot clearly see why A@t1 and A@t2 is a different value (in terms of goods one could buy with them). They just see A. They'd rather have a higher amount in their account (like interest in bank accounts).

One should teach people that NXT is deflationary (will they understand?). The increase in value is achieved indirectly and not by changing digits of the account balance.
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to put it in numbers
Account  1900 Nxt

1440 blocs per day
1 blocs per year with 1900 Nxt
fee per bloc (For example) 100
Profit per year 5.3%
5.3% must greater than cost of maintaining the node and remain immobilized the funds (oportunity cost)

If 1 Nxt = 1 dollar

Account  with 1900 Nxt will generate 1 dollar for maintaining the node and remain immobilized the funds (oportunity cost)
When is the change of fee planned to 0.1 NXT? I think if NXT is been calculated more in decimals behind the comma(point), 1 NXT will get more valuable. Pure
psychological.

sorry  Undecided

to put it in numbers
Account  1900 Nxt

1440 blocs per day
1 blocs per year with 1900 Nxt
fee per bloc (For example) 100
Profit per year 5.3%
5.3% must greater than cost of maintaining the node and remain immobilized the funds (oportunity cost)

If 1 Nxt = 1 dollar

Account  with 1900 Nxt will generate 100 Nxt = 100 dollar for maintaining the node and remain immobilized the funds (oportunity cost)

Keep thinking.  You had to run this node for a year, so the 100 dollars has to cover a monthly operations cost of 100/12 = $8.33 per month

So....

IF the block you capture once a year has 100 NXT in fees in it and
IF each NXT is worth $1 and
IF your monthly hardware amortization, bandwidth costs, and electricity costs are less than $8.33 per month

Then you made a monthly profit = $8.33 - monthly server costs

Anybody out there running a VPN for less than $8.33 per month?  


I pay 20 dollar per month for 2MB VPS. Because i belive in nxt ecosystem

The quetión is whether we can increase the number of transactions per block to 100
The question is whether a 1900 nxt node will want to wait a year to forge
The question is whether the value will rise soon nxt 1 dollar
The question is profitable to keep the funds in an account standing. which is the opportunity cost
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Damelon: hours and hours of communication Smiley Ricky was informed on 18th of Feb how it works. Currently Nifty is dealing with Paul (organisator), we signed a form in Berlin, but he hasn't sent a payment info yet

Salsa, the form you signed says payment is due on signing and the signed form is to be sent to Steven Wilkinson at [email protected] so that he can register the Sponsor and send the Sponsor an invoice.  Did you ever send a copy of the signed form to Steven?
I sent it to you and told you to fill your name (and telephone?) there so you could send it to Steven (" There still needs to be filled info about Nxt speaker there."). Did you fill it and sent it to Steven?

You did not know my email address when you signed in Berlin, but you obviously knew my email address when you emailed it to me (after my repeated request), so I thought you were going to fill my email address in and send it on.  Once I heard you had talked with Paul Snow in Berlin about me speaking, I sent both him and the "TBC speaker" email address several emails with my full name, email address, biography and photo for use in his promotional materials, and I clearly identified myself as the NXT representative that had been coordinated in Berlin.

Your email to me read:

"Hi,
here is a contract between Nxt and texas conf. There still needs to be filled info about Nxt speaker there.
salsa"

So, no, I did not send the form in to Steven.  I did not know I was supposed to.  

If we need a fall guy to take the blame over this mixup then I will take the blame.  My bad.  This is now water under the bridge.  Let's move on.

It is probably too late to do anything about getting NXT officially involved in TBC now.  You haven't sent them $1000 and they haven't listed me as a speaker.  They have received no logo from us so we are not in their promotional literature.    We can still go in, shake hands, pass out business cards, hand out 200 flyers, and listen to Vitalik Buterin speak to everybody at TBC about Etherium.   Bottom line is that you have not spent any money yet on this conference and you have 20K NXT budgeted for it.   Passes at the door are $350 each and we need two, for me and Asian Prepper.  That's $700 or a $300 savings over what you were going to pay.  I suggest that you abandon attempts to get TBC to take the $1000 you haven't actually sent yet and instead send $700 of NXT to me at 16092180239932658439 so I can just get two door passes.

I await your directions.
legendary
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Ian Knowles - CIYAM Lead Developer
From the text by BCNext/cfb, it seems so to me. don't know about the math

We really need the math - so if we have any math guys in our community there is an opportunity for you to earn some NXT or BTC for helping out with this and some other analysis.
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Thanks once again 7017504655955743955 Smiley
This is really an awesome community!! Smiley

Any one want to count up how many guys/gals/whatever have been touched by 70175xxxx today?

Maybe we can all send her/him a big bunch of flowers or some beer.......thx again,btw.


when will i be lucky Cry
legendary
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Ian Knowles - CIYAM Lead Developer
Sorry I'm not so familiar with these terms. What's a DAC?

A DAC is a "digital autonomous corporation" which indeed could be one application for an AT although there are many others.
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Don't change the forging. Any kind of balancing effort will bring excessive complexity and a whole lot of issues. No matter what you do it'll always be the people with more resources to forge more. Flooding the already limited IP-space with forging-zombies is a bad, bad idea.

Agreed.
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