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legendary
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The only good thing he's done was not going to war with syria and he was basically forced into that. He's basically a lot of hot air. The candidate Obama would've hated him.

The other good thing about him was that red line speech he gave. That was comedy gold. Not for the people gazed of course, because they never got that joke.
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The only good thing he's done was not going to war with syria and he was basically forced into that. He's basically a lot of hot air. The candidate Obama would've hated him.
legendary
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The bad thing about Obama, is that he is doing irreversible damage to the USA and the world.


ObamaCare has far greater implications than most people realize...

USA has been fast forwarded to a total surveillance and police state.

It. Cannot. Be. Undone.

People don't surveil and police for free. Remove their source of income, and making surveilance more difficult and expensive, can help with the problem. We have tools for both.
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Fourth richest fictional character
USA has been fast forwarded to a total surveillance and police state.

It. Cannot. Be. Undone.

Of course it can.  One EMP can bring us back to the stone age.




Stone age thinking, seems right up your ally! Cheesy

Could'nt .... resist..... Smiley
Vod
legendary
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Licking my boob since 1970
USA has been fast forwarded to a total surveillance and police state.

It. Cannot. Be. Undone.

Of course it can.  One EMP can bring us back to the stone age.
full member
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Fourth richest fictional character
The bad thing about Obama, is that he is doing irreversible damage to the USA and the world.


ObamaCare has far greater implications than most people realize...

USA has been fast forwarded to a total surveillance and police state.

It. Cannot. Be. Undone.
legendary
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Learning the troll avoidance button :)
These styles of arguments are I think flawed, like saying the Black Plague was the best thing to happen to Europe.  Yes there is growth through adversity, in some cases, but in other cases, it just crushes people.  Was Communism the best thing to happen to East Germany?  Stalin the best thing that ever happened to Russia?

To be fair, the black plague severely reduced the power of the church, and greatly reduced the labor pool, causing everyone's wages to rise sharply, and through that combination helped usher in the Renaissance. So......

And the rise of Communism did lead to the equality of people in China through Maos reform movement after the exploitation under Japanese and Kumotang forces in China plus the 100 years of shame prior to the revolution that was under the Qing dynasty creating and forming the development of a system to challenge the international capitalist system but point taken Cheesy
legendary
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These styles of arguments are I think flawed, like saying the Black Plague was the best thing to happen to Europe.  Yes there is growth through adversity, in some cases, but in other cases, it just crushes people.  Was Communism the best thing to happen to East Germany?  Stalin the best thing that ever happened to Russia?

To be fair, the black plague severely reduced the power of the church, and greatly reduced the labor pool, causing everyone's wages to rise sharply, and through that combination helped usher in the Renaissance. So......
legendary
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There has been no greater farce in modern history than authority disguised as liberty: behold, the modern liberal, a living contradiction.
bump for that.
legendary
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http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/debacle-liberalism_765681.html?nopager=1#

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Critics of the president may be wrong. Obamacare may turn out to be one of the most successful and popular programs in the history of man. But whether they are right or wrong, there is at least no confusion as to who has ownership of the Affordable Care Act. We all know who stood where, when; who supported it and who opposed it; and we are now in the process of being able to judge the claims of Obamacare against the reality of Obamacare. An abstract debate can now be measured by its true effects on the nation as a whole.

It looks to us that liberalism, in getting what it wanted, will end up doing significant and sustained damage to itself, to public confidence in government (which is already near historic lows), and to its conception of the welfare state.

It would be quite an historical irony if Obama, who raised such extravagant hopes among progressives when he ran for office, turns out to have a shattering effect on contemporary liberalism. But that may be just where we are heading. Barack Obama may turn out to be the best thing to happen to conservatism since Ronald Reagan.
These styles of arguments are I think flawed, like saying the Black Plague was the best thing to happen to Europe.  Yes there is growth through adversity, in some cases, but in other cases, it just crushes people.  Was Communism the best thing to happen to East Germany?  Stalin the best thing that ever happened to Russia?

The logical flaws are self evident.

I am guilty of a trolling title on an old thread. Obama is facing History and his minions will have a lot of rewriting to do to save his presidency.
I agree hopping for a worse pain in your hand is not a prescription to forget the pain in your leg.
legendary
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There has been no greater farce in modern history than authority disguised as liberty: behold, the modern liberal, a living contradiction.
legendary
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http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/debacle-liberalism_765681.html?nopager=1#

[...]
Critics of the president may be wrong. Obamacare may turn out to be one of the most successful and popular programs in the history of man. But whether they are right or wrong, there is at least no confusion as to who has ownership of the Affordable Care Act. We all know who stood where, when; who supported it and who opposed it; and we are now in the process of being able to judge the claims of Obamacare against the reality of Obamacare. An abstract debate can now be measured by its true effects on the nation as a whole.

It looks to us that liberalism, in getting what it wanted, will end up doing significant and sustained damage to itself, to public confidence in government (which is already near historic lows), and to its conception of the welfare state.

It would be quite an historical irony if Obama, who raised such extravagant hopes among progressives when he ran for office, turns out to have a shattering effect on contemporary liberalism. But that may be just where we are heading. Barack Obama may turn out to be the best thing to happen to conservatism since Ronald Reagan.
These styles of arguments are I think flawed, like saying the Black Plague was the best thing to happen to Europe.  Yes there is growth through adversity, in some cases, but in other cases, it just crushes people.  Was Communism the best thing to happen to East Germany?  Stalin the best thing that ever happened to Russia?

The logical flaws are self evident.
legendary
Activity: 1176
Merit: 1001
minds.com/Wilikon
http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/debacle-liberalism_765681.html?nopager=1#

[...]
Critics of the president may be wrong. Obamacare may turn out to be one of the most successful and popular programs in the history of man. But whether they are right or wrong, there is at least no confusion as to who has ownership of the Affordable Care Act. We all know who stood where, when; who supported it and who opposed it; and we are now in the process of being able to judge the claims of Obamacare against the reality of Obamacare. An abstract debate can now be measured by its true effects on the nation as a whole.

It looks to us that liberalism, in getting what it wanted, will end up doing significant and sustained damage to itself, to public confidence in government (which is already near historic lows), and to its conception of the welfare state.

It would be quite an historical irony if Obama, who raised such extravagant hopes among progressives when he ran for office, turns out to have a shattering effect on contemporary liberalism. But that may be just where we are heading. Barack Obama may turn out to be the best thing to happen to conservatism since Ronald Reagan.
legendary
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It's actually almost frightening that the people who are supposed to be in charge of world finances know even less basic mathematics than I do and I scored an F in my last exams, but then again, the only saving grace we have is that they're so incompetent there's no way they'll be able to touch stuff like Bitcoin.
legendary
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Beyond Imagination
One common character for those politicians: They have no idea how money and banks works Tongue
legendary
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Gays will be fine as long as they live in the USA. Lets ask our first gay president what he thinks of the situations of openly gays in.. Pakistan?

I believe he made a video about that very subject. For once he was an honest guy.

http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/news/pakistan-airs-70-000-obama-ads-denouncing-anti-islam-film/247680


Obama is like the sensation of melting butter on toast in your mouth while your cat is licking your toes in the morning...


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FIAT LIBERTAS RVAT CAELVM
I want to know if you have anything specific in your mind, what is such an organization going to look like.
Well, I have no interest in running an adoption agency, nor seeking the adoption of a child (at minimum not for several years, at least, until my girls are old enough to help change diapers), so I'm probably not the best person to ask. I can make some general statements:

Funding of this organization should be voluntary. This, actually, should go without saying, but I figured I'd say it anyway. As to the details, they could make their funding from adoption fees, which would help narrow the field of people seeking children to those capable of supporting them, or voluntary donations,  or some other way, like selling arts and crafts made by the older kids, or more likely a combination of all of these, plus some ways I haven't thought about.

The market will decide what the best set of criteria are, and there will likely be "niche" adoption agencies, but I expect the "baseline" to be simply a loving home, and capability to support the child financially.
hero member
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Okay, then how do you think of the [current] policy of interviewing and assessing parents before they are allowed to take a child into adoption? Reasonable or not?
The policy is reasonable, it would be stupid not to evaluate the home you give a child. The criteria, on the other hand, often leave quite a bit to be desired.
So what kind of an organization should be in charge of such a thing? A government institution paid by taxes or some sort of an orphanage funded by voluntary donations?
You really need to ask?
Yes, why not
Because it's kind of like asking someone you know to be a vegetarian if he'd like the chicken or eggplant parmigiana. Wink
You do know I'm an anarchist, right?

I want to know if you have anything specific in your mind, what is such an organization going to look like.
hero member
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FIAT LIBERTAS RVAT CAELVM
Okay, then how do you think of the [current] policy of interviewing and assessing parents before they are allowed to take a child into adoption? Reasonable or not?
The policy is reasonable, it would be stupid not to evaluate the home you give a child. The criteria, on the other hand, often leave quite a bit to be desired.
So what kind of an organization should be in charge of such a thing? A government institution paid by taxes or some sort of an orphanage funded by voluntary donations?
You really need to ask?
Yes, why not
Because it's kind of like asking someone you know to be a vegetarian if he'd like the chicken or eggplant parmigiana. Wink
You do know I'm an anarchist, right?
hero member
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Okay, then how do you think of the [current] policy of interviewing and assessing parents before they are allowed to take a child into adoption? Reasonable or not?
The policy is reasonable, it would be stupid not to evaluate the home you give a child. The criteria, on the other hand, often leave quite a bit to be desired.

So what kind of an organization should be in charge of such a thing? A government institution paid by taxes or some sort of an orphanage funded by voluntary donations?

You really need to ask?

Yes, why not, debate and question everything while we are at it.
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