Obama was the best thing that ever happened to the USA in a long time... - page 4.

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Quote from: myrkul on May 18, 2013, 02:28:36 AM

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What is the bad policy? Government recognition and protection of marriage contracts?

What does the government care of your personal life? For that matter, why should it? And why should Joe from Arkansas even have a say in whether or not two people he's never met can get married?

They shouldn't. And they should recognize a legal contract for anyone who wishes to sign into one.

An issue that is a bit complicated, is the couple's adoption of a child, the child cannot make a decision for himself/herself.

Can any child pick their parents? At the very least, I would think that parents that picked their kids, no matter what (or who) they do in the bedroom, would be better off than the average, especially these days.

The problem is, let's say a gay couple adopting a girl, there would be some problems as there are definitely a few things no one but a mother can teach her daughter, so maybe the girl will need a "mother substitute" somehow.

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Guess what, watching American politics actually helps me to understand the "Network effect" better.

If next time people ask me why can't someone just make a Bitcoin clone and render Bitcoin worthless, I'll lead them to think why can't someone create a political party with a similar campaign platform to Democrats/Republicans and win the election.

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Quote from: oakpacific on May 18, 2013, 02:23:20 AM

Quote from: Rassah on May 17, 2013, 06:22:21 PM

Quote from: Mike Christ on May 17, 2013, 11:00:53 AM

Quote from: Rassah on May 17, 2013, 10:58:29 AM

What is the bad policy? Government recognition and protection of marriage contracts?

What does the government care of your personal life? For that matter, why should it? And why should Joe from Arkansas even have a say in whether or not two people he's never met can get married?

They shouldn't. And they should recognize a legal contract for anyone who wishes to sign into one.

An issue that is a bit complicated, is the couple's adoption of a child, the child cannot make a decision for himself/herself.

Can any child pick their parents? At the very least, I would think that parents that picked their kids, no matter what (or who) they do in the bedroom, would be better off than the average, especially these days.

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Quote from: Rassah on May 17, 2013, 06:22:21 PM

Quote from: Mike Christ on May 17, 2013, 11:00:53 AM

Quote from: Rassah on May 17, 2013, 10:58:29 AM

What is the bad policy? Government recognition and protection of marriage contracts?

What does the government care of your personal life? For that matter, why should it? And why should Joe from Arkansas even have a say in whether or not two people he's never met can get married?

They shouldn't. And they should recognize a legal contract for anyone who wishes to sign into one.

An issue that is a bit complicated, is the couple's adoption of a child, the child cannot make a decision for himself/herself.

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Quote from: Mike Christ on May 17, 2013, 11:00:53 AM

Quote from: Rassah on May 17, 2013, 10:58:29 AM

What is the bad policy? Government recognition and protection of marriage contracts?

What does the government care of your personal life? For that matter, why should it? And why should Joe from Arkansas even have a say in whether or not two people he's never met can get married?

They shouldn't. And they should recognize a legal contract for anyone who wishes to sign into one.

myrkul

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Quote from: Rassah on May 17, 2013, 10:58:29 AM

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Expanded hate crime law in the US to include sexual orientation

More thought crimes. Roll Eyes

I wonder, if someone accidentally plows down and kills a pedestrian, or accidentally walks out with something in their hand forgetting to pay for it, do you think they are as guilty and should be punished the same as someone who committed planned deliberate murder or robbery?

The punitive damages should be minimal, and preferably limited to any additional costs incurred by third parties (eg, investigators, "court costs," etc). An innocent mistake or accident would have little to no third-party cost, while a premeditated crime could well have much more. Of course, if a premeditated vehicular murderer feigns contrition after the fact, there's no real way to tell if it was an innocent accident or murder.

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Extended Benefits to same-sex partners of federal employees

More money to equalize bad policy.

What is the bad policy? Government recognition and protection of marriage contracts?

Government benefits to married couples, is my guess... but it's no different from a private industry doing the same, aside from the tax funding.

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Quote from: Rassah on May 17, 2013, 10:58:29 AM

No. They pass a repeal every few months. Senate is majority Democrats (it only seems Republican controlled because filibusters made 60%+ votes a requirement), and obviously Obama will veto any attempts to get rid of his signature legislation.

I'm watching my premium will do my own veto if there is any kind of significant change.

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Quote from: Rassah on May 17, 2013, 10:58:29 AM

What is the bad policy? Government recognition and protection of marriage contracts?

What does the government care of your personal life? For that matter, why should it? And why should Joe from Arkansas even have a say in whether or not two people he's never met can get married?

Rassah

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Quote from: Elwar on May 16, 2013, 10:20:17 PM

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Expanded hate crime law in the US to include sexual orientation

More thought crimes. Roll Eyes

I wonder, if someone accidentally plows down and kills a pedestrian, or accidentally walks out with something in their hand forgetting to pay for it, do you think they are as guilty and should be punished the same as someone who committed planned deliberate murder or robbery?

Quote from: FenixRD on May 16, 2013, 10:35:44 PM

One thing that is being UN-changed that I am hopeful about: Obamacare repeal passed congress today, maybe senate will agree and toss the 2000-page shit out

Lol!
No. They pass a repeal every few months. Senate is majority Democrats (it only seems Republican controlled because filibusters made 60%+ votes a requirement), and obviously Obama will veto any attempts to get rid of his signature legislation.

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Quote from: AzureEngineer on May 15, 2013, 05:24:27 PM

Both dominant political parties in the US are so close together on a political scale that they are indecipherable from each other.

Agreed. Both are bought and paid for, just by slightly different groups of people.

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Quote from: Elwar on May 15, 2013, 09:11:22 PM

spending, spending, spending, regulation, spending, spending...

Well, now.

That about sums it up.

"Give them bread and circuses!"

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One thing that is being UN-changed that I am hopeful about: Obamacare repeal passed congress today, maybe senate will agree and toss the 2000-page shit out

Elwar

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Quote from: Rassah on May 15, 2013, 10:32:08 PM

Lifted restrictions granting Cuban Americans unrestricted rights to visit family and send remittances to the island

A good start.

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Eliminated subsidies to private lender middlemen of student loans

Ending subsidies is always good.

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Expanded hate crime law in the US to include sexual orientation

More thought crimes. Roll Eyes

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Extended Benefits to same-sex partners of federal employees

More money to equalize bad policy.

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Reversed 'global gag rule', allowing US aid to go to organizations regardless of whether they provide abortions

More money to equalize bad spending.

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Signed New START Treaty - nuclear arms reduction pact with Russia

A good start.

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First president to endorse same-sex marriage equality

More regulation to equalize bad government intervention.

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Signed the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, restoring basic protections against pay discrimination for women

Pay control regulation.

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Reversed the policy of barring media coverage during the return of fallen soldiers to Dover Air Force Base

I hope the media respects the families of those soldiers.

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Signed the Weapons Systems Acquisition Reform Act to stop fraud and wasteful spending in the defense procurement and contracting system

Signed in 2009...I have not noticed any changes in oversight as a defense contractor...I hope it helps, I notice that the law had plenty of mulit-billion dollar projects that were excluded.

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Ended Bush administration's CIA program of 'enhanced interrogation methods'

I hope so

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Tax cuts for up to 3.5 million small businesses to help pay for employee health care coverage

I am sure those businesses are overjoyed by those small tax cuts to help pay for a business killing health care system while large companies are getting waivers

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Quote from: Elwar on May 15, 2013, 09:11:22 PM

Quote from: Rassah on May 15, 2013, 08:16:09 PM

Quote from: kidcudi09 on May 15, 2013, 05:34:13 PM

Honestly tell me something he did while he was a president??Cant name a damn thing.

How's this? http://whattheheckhasobamadonesofar.com
Not all of it is good. Like the slew of regulations. But the student loan thing, the nuclear reduction thing, the pro-gay things and pro-women's rights things, and the pro-science things were good. There are definitely a lot of things that he did. That's likely part of the reason he got reelected.

spending, spending, spending, regulation, spending, spending...

Here are some
Lifted restrictions granting Cuban Americans unrestricted rights to visit family and send remittances to the island
Eliminated subsidies to private lender middlemen of student loans
Expanded hate crime law in the US to include sexual orientation
Extended Benefits to same-sex partners of federal employees
Reversed 'global gag rule', allowing US aid to go to organizations regardless of whether they provide abortions
Signed New START Treaty - nuclear arms reduction pact with Russia
First president to endorse same-sex marriage equality
Signed the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, restoring basic protections against pay discrimination for women
Reversed the policy of barring media coverage during the return of fallen soldiers to Dover Air Force Base
Signed the Weapons Systems Acquisition Reform Act to stop fraud and wasteful spending in the defense procurement and contracting system
Ended Bush administration's CIA program of 'enhanced interrogation methods'
Tax cuts for up to 3.5 million small businesses to help pay for employee health care coverage

Don't really have a problem with any of that..

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Quote from: Rassah on May 15, 2013, 08:16:09 PM

Quote from: kidcudi09 on May 15, 2013, 05:34:13 PM

Honestly tell me something he did while he was a president??Cant name a damn thing.

How's this? http://whattheheckhasobamadonesofar.com
Not all of it is good. Like the slew of regulations. But the student loan thing, the nuclear reduction thing, the pro-gay things and pro-women's rights things, and the pro-science things were good. There are definitely a lot of things that he did. That's likely part of the reason he got reelected.

spending, spending, spending, regulation, spending, spending...

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Quote from: kidcudi09 on May 15, 2013, 05:34:13 PM

Honestly tell me something he did while he was a president??Cant name a damn thing.

How's this? http://whattheheckhasobamadonesofar.com
Not all of it is good. Like the slew of regulations. But the student loan thing, the nuclear reduction thing, the pro-gay things and pro-women's rights things, and the pro-science things were good. There are definitely a lot of things that he did. That's likely part of the reason he got reelected.

Elwar

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The fact that those same people keep getting elected has changed my mindset from thinking I should be helping Americans to be more free to realizing that they do not want to be free. It was not so much Obama winning as Ron Paul losing, twice...when people actually heard a voice of liberty and turned their back on it, or worse...openly attacked it.

That the best approach is to foster those things which allow the few among us who actually crave freedom to have a vehicle to do so.

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Quote from: myrkul on May 15, 2013, 05:48:46 PM

Quote from: kidcudi09 on May 15, 2013, 05:43:58 PM

I read the first post I understand now.Sorry for being rude.

No, no... Don't apologize! Those things need to be said, and better they are said by a former supporter than anyone else.

lol

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Quote from: kidcudi09 on May 15, 2013, 05:43:58 PM

I read the first post I understand now.Sorry for being rude.

No, no... Don't apologize! Those things need to be said, and better they are said by a former supporter than anyone else.

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Quote from: myrkul on May 15, 2013, 05:35:46 PM

Quote from: kidcudi09 on May 15, 2013, 05:34:13 PM

Obama is a lying sack of shit.This is coming from a person who support Obama but at the time didnt know a damn thing about him(Like most people who support him).Everything he does is a lie.Everything democrats do is a lie.(Same can be said about the republicans too).But the thing that makes me the most angry is the fact is they are lying to your face.Looking you straight in the eye and telling you a lie.Honestly tell me something he did while he was a president??Cant name a damn thing.And that was his first term so tell me why would he get reelected again?Thats like saying you getting keeping your job while your doing nothing thats in your job description/what you getting paid for.Being a president is a job,and he should be fired same thing goes for all the rest in the government.Like I always said.What you know about Obama is what they want you to know about him.Nobody knows a damn thing about him.He didn't do anything major while he was working in the senate so tell me how is he qualified to become a President?

You are a prime example of what the OP meant.

Good morning.

I read the first post I understand now.Sorry for being rude.

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