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Okay, then how do you think of the [current] policy of interviewing and assessing parents before they are allowed to take a child into adoption? Reasonable or not?
The policy is reasonable, it would be stupid not to evaluate the home you give a child. The criteria, on the other hand, often leave quite a bit to be desired.

So what kind of an organization should be in charge of such a thing? A government institution paid by taxes or some sort of an orphanage funded by voluntary donations?

You really need to ask?
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Okay, then how do you think of the [current] policy of interviewing and assessing parents before they are allowed to take a child into adoption? Reasonable or not?
The policy is reasonable, it would be stupid not to evaluate the home you give a child. The criteria, on the other hand, often leave quite a bit to be desired.

So what kind of an organization should be in charge of such a thing? A government institution paid by taxes or some sort of an orphanage funded by voluntary donations?
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Okay, then how do you think of the [current] policy of interviewing and assessing parents before they are allowed to take a child into adoption? Reasonable or not?
The policy is reasonable, it would be stupid not to evaluate the home you give a child. The criteria, on the other hand, often leave quite a bit to be desired.
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EDIT: I remove some adjectives and decide it's a better idea that if any couple wants to adopt a child, they have to somehow prove that they can do things right, at least when it's somehow competitive, like more than one couple are looking to adopt a child.
Trust me, there is, if anything, an over supply of children needing adoption.

Look, the simple fact is that the single most important thing for a child growing up is a loving home environment. Two dads, two moms, four moms and three dads, IDGAF. As long as the child is cared for, loved, and not abused, they will grow up to a well-adjusted adult. And in those environments, probably a lot more tolerant than average, except, perhaps, of bullshit.

Okay, then how do you think of the currency policy of interviewing and assessing parents before they are allowed to take a child into adoption? Reasonable or not?
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EDIT: I remove some adjectives and decide it's a better idea that if any couple wants to adopt a child, they have to somehow prove that they can do things right, at least when it's somehow competitive, like more than one couple are looking to adopt a child.
Trust me, there is, if anything, an over supply of children needing adoption.

Look, the simple fact is that the single most important thing for a child growing up is a loving home environment. Two dads, two moms, four moms and three dads, IDGAF. As long as the child is cared for, loved, and not abused, they will grow up to a well-adjusted adult. And in those environments, probably a lot more tolerant than average, except, perhaps, of bullshit.
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No you misunderstood, these are two separate things I somehow happened to put together(I said "Besides" and I didn't even straightly meant you are a geek), may confuse you a bit, I am sorry.

Lol. I'm just giving you a hard time. I'm on a forum about cryptography and economics and how those two can apply to each other, which by definition probably means I'm a geek and maybe a few other things by conventional wisdom. Though I admit, I am easily confused by the things people say, very often.
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You cannot really "feel" it, because you don't grow their parts, and there are many things which can only be learned with experience, like the difference between science and engineering. And this is, after all, only the most shallow of things, have you ever wondered why you can't figure out what a woman has been thinking all day?

Fun fact: Gay men's brains are actually structured similar to a woman's. There's reason to believe a gay man might make a much better mother than a straight man in the same situation.

And certainly you wouldn't support taking away a single straight man's daughter, simply because he doesn't have a wife?

No, absolutely not, I just think since it's uncharted territory, we need to tread on it very very carefully.

One way to do it, that I can come up with, is to set up a qualification program, so if a couple want to somehow bring up a boy/girl, they need to learn things and pass all the tests until their instructors are satisfied, otherwise they will need to find their daughter a "mother substitute" somehow when she is old enough.

Yeah I know it sounds a bit silly, but the atmosphere here is that people sometimes are really relaxed, and sometimes full of hostility, so...whatever.

EDIT: I remove some adjectives and decide it's a better idea that if any couple wants to adopt a child, they have to somehow prove that they can do things right, at least when it's somehow competitive, like more than one couple are looking to adopt a child.

PS: I think at least in the U.S, the law somehow favors the mother's right to take custody of her children, right?
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Fun fact: Gay men's brains are actually structured similar to a woman's. There's reason to believe a gay man might make a much better mother than a straight man in the same situation.

And certainly you wouldn't support taking away a single straight man's daughter, simply because he doesn't have a wife?

(2) Mother dies in childbirth, daughter survives. Single father. What do? Set a legal maximum time before remarriage? (Forced marriage, why not... so long as the government knows best, just about anything can be done if it's "for the children"!)

Relax, don't take it too seriously. I exist in a bubble of sarcasm, which I am told is the lowest form of wit, so I'm probably very stupid. ...

Myrkul, I feel slightly smarter about myself. Thank you for vindicating me slightly. Cheesy
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Are gay men somehow incapable of reading instructions?

FFS, man, I know how to put in a tampon, and that's just 'cuz I got bored one day in the bathroom, and the only reading material available was the tampon box. Incidentally, that's also how I learned about TSS.

Haha...

Hi, where did I say this is a strict "no-go"? Do you like to go all scientific on one hand, and make a lot of assumptions about others on the other hand? Re-read what I really said, OK?

Besides, it's important to point out, that very lengthy and elaborated assessment is already required in nearly any nation for a couple to adopt any children, whatever your approach is, it has to be a very complicated approach, as human emotion is a very complicated thing. But I guess for most of the geeks it's not that easy to understand.

Relax, don't take it too seriously. I exist in a bubble of sarcasm, which I am told is the lowest form of wit, so I'm probably very stupid. I don't take anything I say too seriously, and neither should you. Wink

BTW, I count two assumptions in your statement about me: That I didn't understand what you wrote; and, that I am a geek (based on your personal assessment that I went "all scientific" I presume). You then used circular logic to conclude that it is because I am a geek that I could not understand what you said, which I believe is probably a fallacy, but I'm not really all that quick, so I'll let the rest of the crowd judge that one.

No you misunderstood, these are two separate things I somehow happened to put together(I said "Besides" and I didn't even straightly meant you are a geek), may confuse you a bit, I am sorry.
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Are gay men somehow incapable of reading instructions?

FFS, man, I know how to put in a tampon, and that's just 'cuz I got bored one day in the bathroom, and the only reading material available was the tampon box. Incidentally, that's also how I learned about TSS.

Haha...

Hi, where did I say this is a strict "no-go"? Do you like to go all scientific on one hand, and make a lot of assumptions about others on the other hand? Re-read what I really said, OK?

Besides, it's important to point out, that very lengthy and elaborated assessment is already required in nearly any nation for a couple to adopt any children, whatever your approach is, it has to be a very complicated approach, as human emotion is a very complicated thing. But I guess for most of the geeks it's not that easy to understand.

Relax, don't take it too seriously. I exist in a bubble of sarcasm, which I am told is the lowest form of wit, so I'm probably very stupid. I don't take anything I say too seriously, and neither should you. Wink

BTW, I count two assumptions in your statement about me: That I didn't understand what you wrote; and, that I am a geek (based on your personal assessment that I went "all scientific" I presume). You then used circular logic to conclude that it is because I am a geek that I could not understand what you said, which I believe is probably a fallacy, but I'm not really all that quick, so I'll let the rest of the crowd judge that one.
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You cannot really "feel" it, because you don't grow their parts, and there are many things which can only be learned with experience, like the difference between science and engineering. And this is, after all, only the most shallow of things, have you ever wondered why you can't figure out what a woman has been thinking all day?

Fun fact: Gay men's brains are actually structured similar to a woman's. There's reason to believe a gay man might make a much better mother than a straight man in the same situation.

And certainly you wouldn't support taking away a single straight man's daughter, simply because he doesn't have a wife?
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You may ask your wife/mother. Roll Eyes

No, I'm honestly curious what things you think only a woman can teach another woman.

I am not in a position to answer(I said "maybe") in detail because I am not one. But I doubt all those industries catering their special needs are created for no reason. Tongue

Are gay men somehow incapable of reading instructions?

FFS, man, I know how to put in a tampon, and that's just 'cuz I got bored one day in the bathroom, and the only reading material available was the tampon box. Incidentally, that's also how I learned about TSS.

You cannot really "feel" it, because you don't grow their parts, and there are many things which can only be learned with experience, like the difference between science and engineering. And this is, after all, only the most shallow of things, have you ever wondered why you can't figure out what a woman has been thinking all day?
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You may ask your wife/mother. Roll Eyes

No, I'm honestly curious what things you think only a woman can teach another woman.

I am not in a position to answer(I said "maybe") in detail because I am not one. But I doubt all those industries catering their special needs are created for no reason. Tongue

Are gay men somehow incapable of reading instructions?

FFS, man, I know how to put in a tampon, and that's just 'cuz I got bored one day in the bathroom, and the only reading material available was the tampon box. Incidentally, that's also how I learned about TSS.
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What is the bad policy? Government recognition and protection of marriage contracts?
What does the government care of your personal life?  For that matter, why should it?  And why should Joe from Arkansas even have a say in whether or not two people he's never met can get married?
They shouldn't. And they should recognize a legal contract for anyone who wishes to sign into one.
An issue that is a bit complicated, is the couple's adoption of a child, the child cannot make a decision for himself/herself.
Can any child pick their parents? At the very least, I would think that parents that picked their kids, no matter what (or who) they do in the bedroom, would be better off than the average, especially these days.

The problem is, let's say a gay couple adopting a girl, there would be some problems as there are definitely a few things no one but a mother can teach her daughter, so maybe the girl will need a "mother substitute" somehow.

LMFAO. Come on now. Really? Ok. I'll see your perceived issue (that two caring gay parents is worse than no parents) and raise you a few more.

(1) What should be done about orphans? As I pointed out above, presumably you believe they are better off remaining orphans with NO mother (in the case of a daughter).
(2) Mother dies in childbirth, daughter survives. Single father. What do? Set a legal maximum time before remarriage? (Forced marriage, why not... so long as the government knows best, just about anything can be done if it's "for the children"!)
(3) Two lesbians adopting a daughter. Is this okay? Two mothers to teach a daughter the things that only a mother can teach, has to be better than one!
(4) Two gay men raising a son. Under the same reasoning, presumably, this is a good thing also. Still unclear what these "things" are that only those of biologically-identical sex can teach, but we're in your world, so let's run with it.
(5) Corollary to #3: Two lesbians with a son. Worse? Or better?
(6) Corollary to #4: Two gays with a daughter. Wait... okay, we already said that's bad, hang on. Okay. Guess that answers #5 as well, unless you're completely illogical and hypocritical...
(6) Corollaries to #3 and #4, rethought: Can we enforce gender roles? Maybe two lesbians or two gays is okay, as long as one agrees to "wear the pants" and one to be he "bottom". Then the masculine ones can teach the son football and misogyny and the feminine ones can teach daughters to cook and clean, and properly use feminine hygiene products, etc.

Hi, where did I say this is a strict "no-go"? Do you like to go all scientific on one hand, and make a lot of assumptions about others on the other hand? Re-read what I really said, OK?

Besides, it's important to point out, that very lengthy and elaborated assessment is already required in nearly any nation for a couple to adopt any children, whatever your approach is, it has to be a very complicated approach, as human emotion is a very complicated thing. But I guess for most of the geeks it's not that easy to understand.
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What is the bad policy? Government recognition and protection of marriage contracts?
What does the government care of your personal life?  For that matter, why should it?  And why should Joe from Arkansas even have a say in whether or not two people he's never met can get married?
They shouldn't. And they should recognize a legal contract for anyone who wishes to sign into one.
An issue that is a bit complicated, is the couple's adoption of a child, the child cannot make a decision for himself/herself.
Can any child pick their parents? At the very least, I would think that parents that picked their kids, no matter what (or who) they do in the bedroom, would be better off than the average, especially these days.

The problem is, let's say a gay couple adopting a girl, there would be some problems as there are definitely a few things no one but a mother can teach her daughter, so maybe the girl will need a "mother substitute" somehow.

LMFAO. Come on now. Really? Ok. I'll see your perceived issue (that two caring gay parents is worse than no parents) and raise you a few more.

(1) What should be done about orphans? As I pointed out above, presumably you believe they are better off remaining orphans with NO mother (in the case of a daughter).
(2) Mother dies in childbirth, daughter survives. Single father. What do? Set a legal maximum time before remarriage? (Forced marriage, why not... so long as the government knows best, just about anything can be done if it's "for the children"!)
(3) Two lesbians adopting a daughter. Is this okay? Two mothers to teach a daughter the things that only a mother can teach, has to be better than one!
(4) Two gay men raising a son. Under the same reasoning, presumably, this is a good thing also. Still unclear what these "things" are that only those of biologically-identical sex can teach, but we're in your world, so let's run with it.
(5) Corollary to #3: Two lesbians with a son. Worse? Or better?
(6) Corollary to #4: Two gays with a daughter. Wait... okay, we already said that's bad, hang on. Okay. Guess that answers #5 as well, unless you're completely illogical and hypocritical...
(6) Corollaries to #3 and #4, rethought: Can we enforce gender roles? Maybe two lesbians or two gays is okay, as long as one agrees to "wear the pants" and one to be he "bottom". Then the masculine ones can teach the son football and misogyny and the feminine ones can teach daughters to cook and clean, and properly use feminine hygiene products, etc.
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You may ask your wife/mother. Roll Eyes

No, I'm honestly curious what things you think only a woman can teach another woman.

I am not in a position to answer(I said "maybe") in detail because I am not one. But I doubt all those industries catering their special needs are created for no reason. Tongue
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You may ask your wife/mother. Roll Eyes

No, I'm honestly curious what things you think only a woman can teach another woman.
hero member
Activity: 784
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What is the bad policy? Government recognition and protection of marriage contracts?
What does the government care of your personal life?  For that matter, why should it?  And why should Joe from Arkansas even have a say in whether or not two people he's never met can get married?
They shouldn't. And they should recognize a legal contract for anyone who wishes to sign into one.
An issue that is a bit complicated, is the couple's adoption of a child, the child cannot make a decision for himself/herself.
Can any child pick their parents? At the very least, I would think that parents that picked their kids, no matter what (or who) they do in the bedroom, would be better off than the average, especially these days.
The problem is, let's say a gay couple adopting a girl, there would be some problems as there are definitely a few things no one but a mother can teach her daughter, so maybe the girl will need a "mother substitute" somehow.
Like what?

You mak ask your wife/mother. Roll Eyes It's a complex business to be a woman.
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What is the bad policy? Government recognition and protection of marriage contracts?
What does the government care of your personal life?  For that matter, why should it?  And why should Joe from Arkansas even have a say in whether or not two people he's never met can get married?
They shouldn't. And they should recognize a legal contract for anyone who wishes to sign into one.
An issue that is a bit complicated, is the couple's adoption of a child, the child cannot make a decision for himself/herself.
Can any child pick their parents? At the very least, I would think that parents that picked their kids, no matter what (or who) they do in the bedroom, would be better off than the average, especially these days.
The problem is, let's say a gay couple adopting a girl, there would be some problems as there are definitely a few things no one but a mother can teach her daughter, so maybe the girl will need a "mother substitute" somehow.
Like what?
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