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2nd ODI between England and SA have started and after winning the toss England decided to field and took an early wicket of Kock. SA are now 38/1 in 6.4 overs before the rain have interrupted the match . Hoping that match is not reduced and we can see witness full 50 overs and it is an exciting contest .

The match is washed out and with the first match won by South Africa and the second one washed out and England need to win the third one to level the series and tie the series and if South Africa is able to win or the third match washed out South Africa will win the ODI series after a disastrous Test series.

New Zealand and India playing their second ODI tomorrow and if New Zealand will be able to win the match then they will win the series so India will be well prepared to win the second one and hence i am confused on what bet to put.

This was so unfortunate that match has being washed out and now total depended on third match which is donor due for England as they lose it means they lose the series and just in case if that also get washed out due to rain still they lose it .

And yes tomorrow is another do or die game for India as if Nz wins the match they will win the series. India would definitely will come out with some special plans to tackle NZ batsman .

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Quote from: onrise on February 07, 2020, 11:03:27 AM

2nd ODI between England and SA have started and after winning the toss England decided to field and took an early wicket of Kock. SA are now 38/1 in 6.4 overs before the rain have interrupted the match . Hoping that match is not reduced and we can see witness full 50 overs and it is an exciting contest .

The match is washed out and with the first match won by South Africa and the second one washed out and England need to win the third one to level the series and tie the series and if South Africa is able to win or the third match washed out South Africa will win the ODI series after a disastrous Test series.

New Zealand and India playing their second ODI tomorrow and if New Zealand will be able to win the match then they will win the series so India will be well prepared to win the second one and hence i am confused on what bet to put.

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2nd ODI between England and SA have started and after winning the toss England decided to field and took an early wicket of Kock. SA are now 38/1 in 6.4 overs before the rain have interrupted the match . Hoping that match is not reduced and we can see witness full 50 overs and it is an exciting contest .

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Quote from: JSRAW on February 07, 2020, 02:51:54 AM

^^ Why not?
His economy rate is under 6 so i would say he was good enough to bowl at-least 2 overs. there are always chances that he gets the beating but when every bowler in team leaking runs then there is no harm to try part-timer, that's the real reason of keeping 6th bowling option in playing XI for starter.

Kedar Jadhav will be effective in spin friendly wickets and standard stadium, if you look at the stadium and ground size in New Zealand it is really small and a part time spinner like Kedar Jadhav could be smashed all over the park and the pitch is not aiding any bowlers. It might be a different scenario in Australia as the ground is standard enough and if you are not meddling the ball properly you will be caught in the deep and may be that is the reason he is not given an opportunity till now in the series.

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Anyone following the under 19 world cup? For the first time, Bangladesh is playing a final in any of the world cup tournament. In the last edition, they managed to play semi.
India has a great team and the chance for Bangladesh to win is very low. Anyone there with a great stats or analysis? I did not watch a lot of matches.

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Quote from: erikalui on February 07, 2020, 03:27:20 AM

Why was India fined for slow over rate? They lost 80% of their fee and previous lost 40% and 20%. Is the fine only paid by the captain or the entire team?

Yeah slow over rate and yes fine for entire team.

This problem is really bad as this situation demands extra time to finish the game (let's say extra 1 hour or so) . no team taking this seriously, not even ICC. they should introduce 5 runs penalty if any team taking extra time to bowl overs, punishing with match fees is not solving the problem at all and big teams are not learning.

Interestingly in the last game both India and New Zealand bowled 25 and 20 extra balls respectively (No ball, Wides)

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Quote from: Haunebu on February 07, 2020, 04:57:19 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on February 07, 2020, 02:51:54 AM

His economy rate is under 6 so i would say he was good enough to bowl at-least 2 overs. there are always chances that he gets the beating but when every bowler in team leaking runs then there is no harm to try part-timer, that's the real reason of keeping 6th bowling option in playing XI for starter.

This isn't a bad idea to be honest. Kedhar Jadhav is an underrated player who MSD backed many times in the past even though he plays slowly primarily due to this all rounder skills. He is a better option when compared to Kuldeep at present.

Hardik Pandya is another excellent option though I am not sure when he will properly recover. These 2 would prove to be great all rounders when compared to Dube and Kuldeep.

Kehdar Jadhav is very good in batting and for part time bowling as well if I am not wrong he done magic spells for India many times even against Pakistan as he take good wickets on good time so they need to keep faith with him as now Hardik Pandya is not fully fit and going to take some long time few are saying he will fit during IPL mean still 2 or 3 months.

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Quote from: JSRAW on February 07, 2020, 02:02:02 AM

Only difference is Kiwis used 6th bowling option and Indians didn't. They had Kedar Jadhav as part-timer bowler but Virat didn't use him.

Part time bowlers are often effective in partnership breaking.Did Virat missed that fact? Shocked

Or he thought even their best can't do that why trying a part timer,it might worse the game much!Like what happened when Virat himself decided to bowl in an IPL. Cheesy

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Quote from: JSRAW on February 07, 2020, 02:51:54 AM

His economy rate is under 6 so i would say he was good enough to bowl at-least 2 overs. there are always chances that he gets the beating but when every bowler in team leaking runs then there is no harm to try part-timer, that's the real reason of keeping 6th bowling option in playing XI for starter.

This isn't a bad idea to be honest. Kedhar Jadhav is an underrated player who MSD backed many times in the past even though he plays slowly primarily due to this all rounder skills. He is a better option when compared to Kuldeep at present.

Hardik Pandya is another excellent option though I am not sure when he will properly recover. These 2 would prove to be great all rounders when compared to Dube and Kuldeep.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on February 07, 2020, 03:18:27 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on February 07, 2020, 02:51:54 AM

^^ Why not?

His economy rate is under 6 so i would say he was good enough to bowl at-least 2 overs. there are always chances that he gets the beating but when every bowler in team leaking runs then there is no harm to try part-timer, that's the real reason of keeping 6th bowling option in playing XI for starter.

Well.. there is nothing wrong in trying either him or some of the other part time bowlers for a couple of overs. But Kohli probably didn't wanted to take the risk. It was a very close match and a big over (in case the Kiwis can score 20 runs from it) can change the course of the match. Anyway, we don't know what could have happened if Kedar was given an opportunity to bowl.

India can add another bowler to the team line up. I do not think they will change the batting order in the next match.jadeja can be replaced by kedar jadav. We need to wait till tomorrow to see if there are any changes in bowling.

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Quote from: erikalui on February 07, 2020, 03:27:20 AM

Why was India fined for slow over rate? They lost 80% of their fee and previous lost 40% and 20%. Is the fine only paid by the captain or the entire team?

It was because of the slow over rate.

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After losing 2 back-to-back matches against NZ (one last year and this year), I am feeling that it's history repeating. Willaimson will be back in the third ODI while their team of batsmen is similar to their WC squad. India most likely will go with the same order but our opening batsmen are not good enough to sustain till the 10th over.

India needs someone like Rohit Sharma to open , unfortunately we do not have anyone. I also doubt they will change the order.

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Why was India fined for slow over rate? They lost 80% of their fee and previous lost 40% and 20%. Is the fine only paid by the captain or the entire team?

After losing 2 back-to-back matches against NZ (one last year and this year), I am feeling that it's history repeating. Willaimson will be back in the third ODI while their team of batsmen is similar to their WC squad. India most likely will go with the same order but our opening batsmen are not good enough to sustain till the 10th over.

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Quote from: JSRAW on February 07, 2020, 02:51:54 AM

^^ Why not?

His economy rate is under 6 so i would say he was good enough to bowl at-least 2 overs. there are always chances that he gets the beating but when every bowler in team leaking runs then there is no harm to try part-timer, that's the real reason of keeping 6th bowling option in playing XI for starter.

Well.. there is nothing wrong in trying either him or some of the other part time bowlers for a couple of overs. But Kohli probably didn't wanted to take the risk. It was a very close match and a big over (in case the Kiwis can score 20 runs from it) can change the course of the match. Anyway, we don't know what could have happened if Kedar was given an opportunity to bowl.

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^^ Why not?

His economy rate is under 6 so i would say he was good enough to bowl at-least 2 overs. there are always chances that he gets the beating but when every bowler in team leaking runs then there is no harm to try part-timer, that's the real reason of keeping 6th bowling option in playing XI for starter.

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Quote from: JSRAW on February 07, 2020, 02:02:02 AM

Well its hard to be a bowler when everything going against them. just look at bowling card of both teams and see who bowled good in the last game?
695 runs scored in just 98.1 overs and only 10 wickets went down that day, so its not a fault of any single bowler. We should cut them some slack for one game, it happens sometimes. Give Kiwis batsmen credit for chase down mammoth target and move on to next game.

Only difference is Kiwis used 6th bowling option and Indians didn't. They had Kedar Jadhav as part-timer bowler but Virat didn't use him.

Do you really think that Kedar Jadhav could have made any difference? I have watched him bowling and my opinion is that he doesn't have any variations with him. In a match where Kuldeep Yadav went for almost 9 runs per over, this guy could have got smashed all around the park. And additionally, he hasn't bowled much during the past two-three years in international cricket.

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Well its hard to be a bowler when everything going against them. just look at bowling card of both teams and see who bowled good in the last game?
695 runs scored in just 98.1 overs and only 10 wickets went down that day, so its not a fault of any single bowler. We should cut them some slack for one game, it happens sometimes. Give Kiwis batsmen credit for chase down mammoth target and move on to next game.

Only difference is Kiwis used 6th bowling option and Indians didn't. They had Kedar Jadhav as part-timer bowler but Virat didn't use him.

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Sometimes we can't win a game even after we played our better because opponents might played exceptionally well that is just normal in cricket.Now India have to tighten up their bowling line up the pitch will not be safe for 50 overs as which happen in 20 over format so there is bit more work for the selectors to find right combination for long format again.Tomorrow 2nd ODI will be played hope there will be some revenge from team India.

You can expect even a team such as Afghanistan or Bangladesh to defend a total of close to 350. The fact that Indians were unable to do so, even with the presence of Mohammad Shami and Jasprit Bumrah means that they need to rework on their bowling strategies. Bowlers such as Shardul Thakur and Kuldeep Yadav went for more than 8 runs per over during the last match.

In 2006,best team of cricket history Australia failed to defend a total of 430+ against South Africa so it means best team cannot win all the matches.

Total is not a matter to be honest,how much effort they are giving to defend matches will get you win on any match.

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In 2nd semifinal of U19 World Cup between NZ and Bangladesh, Bangladesh won it very easily chasing a score of 212 , they reached it in 44.1 balls and 6 wickets to spare . Now on Sunday we have a World Cup final between India and Bangladesh and would be a real contest to watch . India might just a little stronger then Bangladesh but on that day being a final pressure would be totally different .

I always though New Zealand were a better team than the Bangladesh and I also lot a bet today. Cry

Bangladesh play very well and never let Newzealand settled in the match. Would they be able to keep the same performance level in the finals. I doubt on this. Final of a Would cup is a pressure and India is much better & experienced team. But if you bet on Bangladesh, you will get better odds but the risk will be high.

I am not expecting any resistance from Bangladesh as India is much superior in all fields they will win this easily but if Bangladesh have good day then may be we will able to have some good match but until now for me its all about India as all boys giving very good performance in field bowling and batting this is perfect winning combination.

Cricket is unpredictable. Undoubtedly India is better than Bangladesh but things can change on the field. I am confident that India will win as of now they have performed like true professionals.

So far India has shown a good game of cricket in all departments as compared to Bangladesh but suddenly when it is a Final of world cup the situation automatically changes as their would be more pressure on India then Bangladesh to lift the cup . So in such cases the wickets fall quickly or suddenly momentum shifts. But I expect a good contest between both teams and it’s a worthy final to watch out for on coming Sunday .

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Quote from: mersal on February 06, 2020, 11:54:24 PM

Sometimes we can't win a game even after we played our better because opponents might played exceptionally well that is just normal in cricket.Now India have to tighten up their bowling line up the pitch will not be safe for 50 overs as which happen in 20 over format so there is bit more work for the selectors to find right combination for long format again.Tomorrow 2nd ODI will be played hope there will be some revenge from team India.

You can expect even a team such as Afghanistan or Bangladesh to defend a total of close to 350. The fact that Indians were unable to do so, even with the presence of Mohammad Shami and Jasprit Bumrah means that they need to rework on their bowling strategies. Bowlers such as Shardul Thakur and Kuldeep Yadav went for more than 8 runs per over during the last match.

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With inexperienced opening batsmen too, they managed 347 so 400 is not a bad target but Rohit not being there matters a lot. Glad to see dube out and feel Jadhav deserves a position top the order as he is a good batsmen.

Except few core players, there has been lots of changes in India teams since their last visit to New Zealand just 12 months back. But, India managed to whitewash in T20 (with 2 surprising tie finishes and deserving super-over wins) but ODI needs long planning and if India would had batted 2nd on first ODI, I guess India might have chased even 400+ totals even with their debutant openers.

Sometimes we can't win a game even after we played our better because opponents might played exceptionally well that is just normal in cricket.Now India have to tighten up their bowling line up the pitch will not be safe for 50 overs as which happen in 20 over format so there is bit more work for the selectors to find right combination for long format again.Tomorrow 2nd ODI will be played hope there will be some revenge from team India.

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