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Quote from: FIFA worldcup on November 02, 2019, 11:19:41 PM

Cricketing calendar is always busy specially if you include the leagues matches like IPL or big bash etc. We have almost full year of cricket and there is hardly a big gap where we see no cricket being played.

A lot of the T20 leagues have sprung up all over the world and this is what made the cricketing calendar very congested. Almost every test playing nation (perhaps with the exception of Ireland and Sri Lanka) have started their own T20 leagues and even nations such as Nepal, Canada and Hong Kong have leagues ongoing in their territory. And don't forget about the T10 league (Abu Dhabi T10), which is about to start in less than two weeks from now.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on November 02, 2019, 11:07:14 PM

Quote from: AB de Royse777 on November 02, 2019, 08:20:39 AM

Oh! yes.
I am not gonna miss IPL of-course. By the way, I am back with my usual nature. May be I will have few work to do in the next week end so possibly I will not come online for 2/3 days. But it's next week of course.

I see from tomorrow India vs Bangladesh series. I heard this news that their Shakib is ban or something? If this is true then I do not think Bangladesh will be able to give a fight against a team like India.

Thanks for reminding everyone about the IPL!!!

It is November already and in around five months the IPL13 will start. A lot of cricket is ongoing now and the cricketing calendar has got very crowded. It is difficult to track all these tournaments. After the IPL, in a few months the T20 World Cup will be starting. And immediately after that, we will be shifting to the 2019–20 Big Bash League in Australia.

The past few weeks were also pretty crowded, with the South African tour of India, Sri Lankan tour of Pakistan and Australia, T20 qualifiers and the ongoing ENG/NZ and AUS/SL series.

Cricketing calendar is always busy specially if you include the leagues matches like IPL or big bash etc. We have almost full year of cricket and there is hardly a big gap where we see no cricket being played.

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Quote from: AB de Royse777 on November 02, 2019, 08:20:39 AM

Oh! yes.
I am not gonna miss IPL of-course. By the way, I am back with my usual nature. May be I will have few work to do in the next week end so possibly I will not come online for 2/3 days. But it's next week of course.

I see from tomorrow India vs Bangladesh series. I heard this news that their Shakib is ban or something? If this is true then I do not think Bangladesh will be able to give a fight against a team like India.

Thanks for reminding everyone about the IPL!!!

It is November already and in around five months the IPL13 will start. A lot of cricket is ongoing now and the cricketing calendar has got very crowded. It is difficult to track all these tournaments. After the IPL, in a few months the T20 World Cup will be starting. And immediately after that, we will be shifting to the 2019–20 Big Bash League in Australia.

The past few weeks were also pretty crowded, with the South African tour of India, Sri Lankan tour of Pakistan and Australia, T20 qualifiers and the ongoing ENG/NZ and AUS/SL series.

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Quote from: Haunebu on October 30, 2019, 06:00:50 AM

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Cool. Wondered where you were since you usually are very active here. Are you planning some kind of tournament again anytime soon(Like the previous IPL and World Cup tournaments) since I enjoyed them a lot?.

Oh! yes.
I am not gonna miss IPL of-course. By the way, I am back with my usual nature. May be I will have few work to do in the next week end so possibly I will not come online for 2/3 days. But it's next week of course.

I see from tomorrow India vs Bangladesh series. I heard this news that their Shakib is ban or something? If this is true then I do not think Bangladesh will be able to give a fight against a team like India.

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Quote from: Haunebu on November 02, 2019, 02:13:18 AM

That is just sad. Never heard of this player before, but this is an odd case. So many players got hit on the helmet and none of them suffered from such extreme problems which is why I don't think he is telling the full truth here.

People always have a misunderstanding about mental illness. One of my friends suffers from bipolar disorder, and at first he faced a lot of difficulty because his family members, relatives and friends could not fully understand his condition. Fortunately for him, after sometime his family members recognized that his actions are not voluntary and started sympathizing with him.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on November 01, 2019, 11:38:29 PM

Vermeulen has always maintained that the mental issues he suffers from resulted from a blow to his head, that he received during one of the ODI matches against India (a ball from Irfan Pathan hit his head). After that he suffered from various psychiatric problems and epilepsy. Vermeulen tried hard to get back to the national team in 2013-14, but was unable to do so, due to poor form. He played one test match in 2014 against Bangladesh, but was dropped from the squad after that.

That is just sad. Never heard of this player before, but this is an odd case. So many players got hit on the helmet and none of them suffered from such extreme problems which is why I don't think he is telling the full truth here.

Quote from: Sithara007 on November 01, 2019, 11:38:29 PM

His career ended in 2015, when he was handed a life ban from the Zimbabwe Cricket, for a racist comment. The last time I heard about him was in 2016, when he was playing club cricket for the Newquay Cricket Club (Cornwall Cricket League).

I guess his career ended the moment he completely lost it. This reminds me of Chris Benoit from the WWE who also suffered from mental health issues and killed himself and his family. This is why Maxwell is doing the right thing here.

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Quote from: ene1980 on November 01, 2019, 03:48:05 PM

Not heard about this incident but if he is going through depression or mental illness he should get the treatment and what is his situation now. Sad to hear that they need to wait for him to burn down something to identify his issues.

Vermeulen has always maintained that the mental issues he suffers from resulted from a blow to his head, that he received during one of the ODI matches against India (a ball from Irfan Pathan hit his head). After that he suffered from various psychiatric problems and epilepsy. Vermeulen tried hard to get back to the national team in 2013-14, but was unable to do so, due to poor form. He played one test match in 2014 against Bangladesh, but was dropped from the squad after that.

His career ended in 2015, when he was handed a life ban from the Zimbabwe Cricket, for a racist comment. The last time I heard about him was in 2016, when he was playing club cricket for the Newquay Cricket Club (Cornwall Cricket League).

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 31, 2019, 07:45:11 PM

It was Justin Langer who first spotted the issues with Maxwell. According to Langer, these issues were persisting for the last 12 months, and he was hesitant at firs about talking about it to him. Luckily, both Langer (coach) and his teammates have been supportive of Maxwell and hopefully he will be able to make a quick comeback to international cricket.

The best thing is that they identified the issue with Maxwell and they are treating him well before the T20 world cup so that he can make a return, the details of his mental issues are not public but he is going through hard times even though he was acting normal while he was having the microphone.

Quote from: Sithara007 on October 31, 2019, 07:45:11 PM

I have never heard about any international cricketer taking break from the game due to mental health issues, apart from that of Mark Vermeulen (Zimbabwe). In his case, it wasn't diagnosed until it became really worse. Vermeulen burnt down the Harare cricket academy in 2006, and was immediately suspended from the team. Two years before that, he was banned by the ECB.

Not heard about this incident but if he is going through depression or mental illness he should get the treatment and what is his situation now. Sad to hear that they need to wait for him to burn down something to identify his issues.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on November 01, 2019, 07:49:17 AM

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One thing that I have noticed is that a lot of teams are taking the T20 world cup very seriously this time. Previously it was being regarded as a minor tournament, not as important as the ODI world cup. But that situation has changed now. Pakistan got a new T20 captain last month, so that the team could get stabilized before the world cup. And India and England has included several new comers in their T20 squad to give them an opportunity before the tournament. And players such as Maxwell are taking precautions, so that their participation in the tournament is guaranteed.

There’s nothing surprising in this as players get more money and fame when they win the T20 World Cup, also star performers get lucrative IPL deals hence each and every player is keen to put a good show there.

I think that the prize money for the T20 world cup is much lower than they have for the 50-over edition. For the Cricket World Cup 2019, the prize money for the winners stood at $4,000,000. On the other hand, for the 2016 T20 World Cup, the winners received $1,600,000 (won by West Indies). I am not expecting much change for the 2020 edition, which means that the 1st prize will be less than half of what England received for winning the CWC 2019.

But it is true that those who perform well can expect lucrative deals from various T20 franchises. I am not just talking about the IPL and the BBL. Some of the other leagues (CPL, BPL, GT20, PSL, MSL.etc) are also offering heavy salaries to star players. And for players from Associate nations such as George Munsey and JJ Smit, this will be a once in a lifetime opportunity to showcase their skills.

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Quote from: Avirunes on November 01, 2019, 03:36:51 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on October 31, 2019, 06:21:03 AM

After Shakib's ban another news coming out that Glenn Maxwell known as "The big show" has taken a break from the Cricket due to his Mental problems. i have never seen him angry or sad in the cricket field. it tells us about the pressure in International game or "grass is always greener on the other side".

Aussie cricket star Glenn Maxwell takes break from game for mental health reasons

Maxwell is really good and energetic guy. Sad to seem him taking a break for indefinite period. He is an explosive batsman and Australia will surely need his services in the upcoming WC.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 31, 2019, 07:45:11 PM

It was Justin Langer who first spotted the issues with Maxwell. According to Langer, these issues were persisting for the last 12 months, and he was hesitant at firs about talking about it to him. Luckily, both Langer (coach) and his teammates have been supportive of Langer and hopefully he will be able to make a quick comeback to international cricket.

You mean Maxwell. Don't think Langer faced any such issues

. Anyway, I am confident that Maxwell decided to take this drastic step right now in order to prepare himself for the upcoming T-20 World Cup next year which is a great call.

Quote from: Sithara007 on October 31, 2019, 07:45:11 PM

I have never heard about any international cricketer taking break from the game due to mental health issues, apart from that of Mark Vermeulen (Zimbabwe). In his case, it wasn't diagnosed until it became really worse. Vermeulen burnt down the Harare cricket academy in 2006, and was immediately suspended from the team. Two years before that, he was banned by the ECB.

There were others like Jonathan Trott(England) etc. Check this article:

https://indianexpress.com/article/sports/cricket/cricketers-fought-battles-mental-health-issues-glenn-maxwell-6096732/

Never heard of Vermeulen, but he seems like an extreme case though.

It is good to take a break before it gets worse. You reminded me of Trott case, that was also such a shock. I thought that he might come back at one point since he was leaving too early but he didn't.

Maxwell has contributed so much to the team and it is a good think that the Australian board and officials are supportive of Maxwell's decision. The sooner the better and hopefully he will make in time before the WC happens

Maxwell indeed took a brave call to step away from cricket, and focus on his well being hopefully he’ll be fit and back in time for the T20 World Cup. @Sithara007 never heard of Vermeulen case but this is an extreme case, and it only proves that Maxwell was right to step away before he did any damage to himself or his team mates.

Quote from: Sithara007 on November 01, 2019, 05:12:24 AM

One thing that I have noticed is that a lot of teams are taking the T20 world cup very seriously this time. Previously it was being regarded as a minor tournament, not as important as the ODI world cup. But that situation has changed now. Pakistan got a new T20 captain last month, so that the team could get stabilized before the world cup. And India and England has included several new comers in their T20 squad to give them an opportunity before the tournament. And players such as Maxwell are taking precautions, so that their participation in the tournament is guaranteed.

There’s nothing surprising in this as players get more money and fame when they win the T20 World Cup, also star performers get lucrative IPL deals hence each and every player is keen to put a good show there.

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One thing that I have noticed is that a lot of teams are taking the T20 world cup very seriously this time. Previously it was being regarded as a minor tournament, not as important as the ODI world cup. But that situation has changed now. Pakistan got a new T20 captain last month, so that the team could get stabilized before the world cup. And India and England has included several new comers in their T20 squad to give them an opportunity before the tournament. And players such as Maxwell are taking precautions, so that their participation in the tournament is guaranteed.

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Quote from: JSRAW on October 31, 2019, 06:21:03 AM

After Shakib's ban another news coming out that Glenn Maxwell known as "The big show" has taken a break from the Cricket due to his Mental problems. i have never seen him angry or sad in the cricket field. it tells us about the pressure in International game or "grass is always greener on the other side".

Aussie cricket star Glenn Maxwell takes break from game for mental health reasons

Maxwell is really good and energetic guy. Sad to seem him taking a break for indefinite period. He is an explosive batsman and Australia will surely need his services in the upcoming WC.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 31, 2019, 07:45:11 PM

It was Justin Langer who first spotted the issues with Maxwell. According to Langer, these issues were persisting for the last 12 months, and he was hesitant at firs about talking about it to him. Luckily, both Langer (coach) and his teammates have been supportive of Langer and hopefully he will be able to make a quick comeback to international cricket.

You mean Maxwell. Don't think Langer faced any such issues

. Anyway, I am confident that Maxwell decided to take this drastic step right now in order to prepare himself for the upcoming T-20 World Cup next year which is a great call.

Quote from: Sithara007 on October 31, 2019, 07:45:11 PM

I have never heard about any international cricketer taking break from the game due to mental health issues, apart from that of Mark Vermeulen (Zimbabwe). In his case, it wasn't diagnosed until it became really worse. Vermeulen burnt down the Harare cricket academy in 2006, and was immediately suspended from the team. Two years before that, he was banned by the ECB.

There were others like Jonathan Trott(England) etc. Check this article:

https://indianexpress.com/article/sports/cricket/cricketers-fought-battles-mental-health-issues-glenn-maxwell-6096732/

Never heard of Vermeulen, but he seems like an extreme case though.

It is good to take a break before it gets worse. You reminded me of Trott case, that was also such a shock. I thought that he might come back at one point since he was leaving too early but he didn't.

Maxwell has contributed so much to the team and it is a good think that the Australian board and officials are supportive of Maxwell's decision. The sooner the better and hopefully he will make in time before the WC happens

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 31, 2019, 07:45:11 PM

It was Justin Langer who first spotted the issues with Maxwell. According to Langer, these issues were persisting for the last 12 months, and he was hesitant at firs about talking about it to him. Luckily, both Langer (coach) and his teammates have been supportive of Langer and hopefully he will be able to make a quick comeback to international cricket.

You mean Maxwell. Don't think Langer faced any such issues

. Anyway, I am confident that Maxwell decided to take this drastic step right now in order to prepare himself for the upcoming T-20 World Cup next year which is a great call.

Quote from: Sithara007 on October 31, 2019, 07:45:11 PM

I have never heard about any international cricketer taking break from the game due to mental health issues, apart from that of Mark Vermeulen (Zimbabwe). In his case, it wasn't diagnosed until it became really worse. Vermeulen burnt down the Harare cricket academy in 2006, and was immediately suspended from the team. Two years before that, he was banned by the ECB.

There were others like Jonathan Trott(England) etc. Check this article:

https://indianexpress.com/article/sports/cricket/cricketers-fought-battles-mental-health-issues-glenn-maxwell-6096732/

Never heard of Vermeulen, but he seems like an extreme case though.

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It was Justin Langer who first spotted the issues with Maxwell. According to Langer, these issues were persisting for the last 12 months, and he was hesitant at firs about talking about it to him. Luckily, both Langer (coach) and his teammates have been supportive of Maxwell and hopefully he will be able to make a quick comeback to international cricket.

I have never heard about any international cricketer taking break from the game due to mental health issues, apart from that of Mark Vermeulen (Zimbabwe). In his case, it wasn't diagnosed until it became really worse. Vermeulen burnt down the Harare cricket academy in 2006, and was immediately suspended from the team. Two years before that, he was banned by the ECB.

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Quote from: SaShiRaJaVu on October 31, 2019, 11:01:44 AM

i did not witnessed that in Maxwell as he was speaking well with the commentators even in the recent matches but when you are a public figure you tend to hide your emotions and Maxwell masked that very well even though he was not in a proper frame of mind.

Maxwell cared a lot about the game and focused on every single mistake deeply. For example: Oct 2018:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xD9oPpHCRqE

This just goes to show his passion and how much he was hurt right there. These mistakes compounded over time which is why he is taking a break now. I do hope he returns as a much better version of himself soon.

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Quote from: Haunebu on October 31, 2019, 09:09:54 AM

Did you observe how Sreesanth behaved right after his ban? He is preparing his comeback now though I feel it is a little too late, but it would be great to see him play again. Coming to Maxwell, I understand your point, but I could notice how over-aggressive he tends to become sometimes.

This is why I felt he was having mental issues from sometime. Certain forms of aggression do suggest mental issues and this was one such example.

I was following his life after the ban, Sreesanth was doing television soap opera and body building and while he was playing he was aggressive in the field and get emotional all the time and i cannot figure out whether someone is having mental break down just by looking at them until he behaves oddly and i did not witnessed that in Maxwell as he was speaking well with the commentators even in the recent matches but when you are a public figure you tend to hide your emotions and Maxwell masked that very well even though he was not in a proper frame of mind.

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Quote from: Haunebu on October 31, 2019, 09:09:54 AM

Did you observe how Sreesanth behaved right after his ban? He is preparing his comeback now though I feel it is a little too late, but it would be great to see him play again. Coming to Maxwell, I understand your point, but I could notice how over-aggressive he tends to become sometimes.

This is why I felt he was having mental issues from sometime. Certain forms of aggression do suggest mental issues and this was one such example.

Sreesanth is already 36 and he will be 37 when the ban period ends. He did the mistake of getting involved in team politics. As far as I know, even in his home state (Kerala), people are very divided about him. Once I talked to one of my colleagues from Kerala. He was very scathing about Sreesanth, saying that he had tarnished the reputation of the people from there. Also, he got involved in national politics as well. I heard that he is very close to one of the Congress leaders (Sasi Tharoor) and even fought elections in 2016 for the ruling party.

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Quote from: SaShiRaJaVu on October 31, 2019, 08:19:15 AM

If aggression is seen as a mental issue then André Nel and Sreesanth will be admitted in mental hospital by now Cheesy

as they were too aggressive while playing cricket and these things happen when you are in a match and it has nothing to do with the mental breakdown because he was aggressive in a few matches, it is really unfortunate to see him going through this state and hopefully he will return in time of the world cup.

Did you observe how Sreesanth behaved right after his ban? He is preparing his comeback now though I feel it is a little too late, but it would be great to see him play again. Coming to Maxwell, I understand your point, but I could notice how over-aggressive he tends to become sometimes.

This is why I felt he was having mental issues from sometime. Certain forms of aggression do suggest mental issues and this was one such example.

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Quote from: Haunebu on October 31, 2019, 07:24:14 AM

This is why this news is not much of a shocker to me. He is one of the greatest T-20 and ODI cricketers ever and he did the right thing by tackling his mental issues. I do hope he is back in full form(Physically and mentally) before the T-20 World Cup.

If aggression is seen as a mental issue then André Nel and Sreesanth will be admitted in mental hospital by now Cheesy

as they were too aggressive while playing cricket and these things happen when you are in a match and it has nothing to do with the mental breakdown because he was aggressive in a few matches, it is really unfortunate to see him going through this state and hopefully he will return in time of the world cup.

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^^ I might be wrong on my statement but he has a reputation of being a funny guy. the only incident i remember (and one in IPL i suppose) he getting angry way back to 2015-2016 when he was playing against the Sri lanka where Mahela Jayawardene & co were performing some dirty tricks or vodoo (cricketing point of view) on the last ball of the inning.

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