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New Zealand team are one of the best ODI team at the moment. They are making new records and today was their largest successful chase.
They'd also be knowing Indian pitches for the next worldcup. But many things could change in the next three years. And they can't always depend on Ross Taylor as he's getting older.
Don't you think that you are over-estimating NZ a bit too much just because they won 1 match against India? There are 2 matches remaining in this series and I am fairly confident that India will bounce back and win both of them.

This is the same team that defeated a team like Australia comprehensively recently. Also, NZ got decimated in the T20 series which is why they are still hurting 100%. They need to do something special if they want to win against the rampaging Indian team at the moment.
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They will win great chase, i thought they would lose this match after seeing the score they need to chase. Great batting by Taylor and Nicholls. This win will boost their confidence.
Even i was expecting the pressure to consume them and make a mess and fail to chase the score as they are not having Williamson in the team.

They managed to chase down such a big total with 11 balls to spare proving that they can still win(Sometimes). Kuldeep was pretty bad though he took a couple of important wickets while Bumrah and Jadeja bowled nicely. Lets see if India can bounce back in the 2nd ODI(Most probably will).
The India bowlers were not able to contain the New Zealand batsman even with a good total on the board and India will try their best to bounce back, the odds for New Zealand to win were really high after India scored a huge total and i was not having the confidence to place a bet as i did not expect New Zealand to chase the score so easily.

NZ would be most relieved today after breaking the loss jinx and winning the match comfortable in the end. Taylor who stood like a wall helped NZ in this win along with Natham and Nicholls who also played well. Taylor for his brilliant knock of 109 not out was given Player of the match. At one time when Neesham & Grandhomme fall quickly India just could have made comeback if they would have got out Taylor during this time.
I don't understand what was missing with the NZ team in the T20s. They played so nicely today chasing a huge target of 340. In T20 their batting order choked badly in couple of matches. Is it that their team is inconsistent? In one match they go on to score 200 and in very next match they struggle to make 140 on the very same pitch.

They managed to chase down such a big total with 11 balls to spare proving that they can still win(Sometimes). Kuldeep was pretty bad though he took a couple of important wickets while Bumrah and Jadeja bowled nicely. Lets see if India can bounce back in the 2nd ODI(Most probably will).
The India bowlers were not able to contain the New Zealand batsman even with a good total on the board and India will try their best to bounce back, the odds for New Zealand to win were really high after India scored a huge total and i was not having the confidence to place a bet as i did not expect New Zealand to chase the score so easily.

Indian bowling lineup is not in best state. Bumrah just recently recovered and made back into team and management are trying some new chemistry each time. They are well aware of all such risks and are taking so for preparing the youngsters.

Batsman did great out there putting up a good total but bowling failed to pick up wickets.

I think India is doing too much now. What they should do is win the series and then try to experiment things. We don't want a backup team at the cost of our mainstream bowling line-up. I think it's important to make the top tier bowling set with Bhuvi, Bumrah and Shami and then keep a backup with Sharadul Thakur, Shivam Dube etc.

And they can't always depend on Ross Taylor as he's getting older.

Well they have lot of players. I think there will be lot of players right for the Taylor's slot but experience is the only worrying factor then. There are lot of players like Guptil , Latham who are dangerous and they yet have lot of years to play cricket. So even if Taylor get retired I don't think there would be much change in performances.
Just to tell that Guptill too is 33 and if Ross Taylor retires Guptill too would retire in just couple of more years or something. Moreover whatever we say Taylor has pretty much been to New Zealand what MSD was for India for pretty long. Keeping it quiet but playing important knocks in very crucial situations. So there could be change in performances.
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They managed to chase down such a big total with 11 balls to spare proving that they can still win(Sometimes). Kuldeep was pretty bad though he took a couple of important wickets while Bumrah and Jadeja bowled nicely. Lets see if India can bounce back in the 2nd ODI(Most probably will).
The India bowlers were not able to contain the New Zealand batsman even with a good total on the board and India will try their best to bounce back, the odds for New Zealand to win were really high after India scored a huge total and i was not having the confidence to place a bet as i did not expect New Zealand to chase the score so easily.

Indian bowling lineup is not in best state. Bumrah just recently recovered and made back into team and management are trying some new chemistry each time. They are well aware of all such risks and are taking so for preparing the youngsters.

Batsman did great out there putting up a good total but bowling failed to pick up wickets.

And they can't always depend on Ross Taylor as he's getting older.

Well they have lot of players. I think there will be lot of players right for the Taylor's slot but experience is the only worrying factor then. There are lot of players like Guptil , Latham who are dangerous and they yet have lot of years to play cricket. So even if Taylor get retired I don't think there would be much change in performances.
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They will win great chase, i thought they would lose this match after seeing the score they need to chase. Great batting by Taylor and Nicholls. This win will boost their confidence.
Even i was expecting the pressure to consume them and make a mess and fail to chase the score as they are not having Williamson in the team.

They managed to chase down such a big total with 11 balls to spare proving that they can still win(Sometimes). Kuldeep was pretty bad though he took a couple of important wickets while Bumrah and Jadeja bowled nicely. Lets see if India can bounce back in the 2nd ODI(Most probably will).
The India bowlers were not able to contain the New Zealand batsman even with a good total on the board and India will try their best to bounce back, the odds for New Zealand to win were really high after India scored a huge total and i was not having the confidence to place a bet as i did not expect New Zealand to chase the score so easily.

NZ would be most relieved today after breaking the loss jinx and winning the match comfortable in the end. Taylor who stood like a wall helped NZ in this win along with Natham and Nicholls who also played well. Taylor for his brilliant knock of 109 not out was given Player of the match. At one time when Neesham & Grandhomme fall quickly India just could have made comeback if they would have got out Taylor during this time.

New Zealand team are one of the best ODI team at the moment. They are making new records and today was their largest successful chase.
They'd also be knowing Indian pitches for the next worldcup. But many things could change in the next three years. And they can't always depend on Ross Taylor as he's getting older.
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NZ would be most relieved today after breaking the loss jinx and winning the match comfortable in the end. Taylor who stood like a wall helped NZ in this win along with Natham and Nicholls who also played well. Taylor for his brilliant knock of 109 not out was given Player of the match. At one time when Neesham & Grandhomme fall quickly India just could have made comeback if they would have got out Taylor during this time.
Tom Latham also contributed in this winning with his high strike rate of 143 and 63 runs, that's good start from the NZ after the complete knock out in their T20 series.Interested to see the comeback from team India in the next match and also the playing squad.
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They will win great chase, i thought they would lose this match after seeing the score they need to chase. Great batting by Taylor and Nicholls. This win will boost their confidence.
Even i was expecting the pressure to consume them and make a mess and fail to chase the score as they are not having Williamson in the team.

They managed to chase down such a big total with 11 balls to spare proving that they can still win(Sometimes). Kuldeep was pretty bad though he took a couple of important wickets while Bumrah and Jadeja bowled nicely. Lets see if India can bounce back in the 2nd ODI(Most probably will).
The India bowlers were not able to contain the New Zealand batsman even with a good total on the board and India will try their best to bounce back, the odds for New Zealand to win were really high after India scored a huge total and i was not having the confidence to place a bet as i did not expect New Zealand to chase the score so easily.

NZ would be most relieved today after breaking the loss jinx and winning the match comfortable in the end. Taylor who stood like a wall helped NZ in this win along with Natham and Nicholls who also played well. Taylor for his brilliant knock of 109 not out was given Player of the match. At one time when Neesham & Grandhomme fall quickly India just could have made comeback if they would have got out Taylor during this time.
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They will win great chase, i thought they would lose this match after seeing the score they need to chase. Great batting by Taylor and Nicholls. This win will boost their confidence.
Even i was expecting the pressure to consume them and make a mess and fail to chase the score as they are not having Williamson in the team.

They managed to chase down such a big total with 11 balls to spare proving that they can still win(Sometimes). Kuldeep was pretty bad though he took a couple of important wickets while Bumrah and Jadeja bowled nicely. Lets see if India can bounce back in the 2nd ODI(Most probably will).
The India bowlers were not able to contain the New Zealand batsman even with a good total on the board and India will try their best to bounce back, the odds for New Zealand to win were really high after India scored a huge total and i was not having the confidence to place a bet as i did not expect New Zealand to chase the score so easily.
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Its circle of time this is 10th match between these two team and Pakistan is already leading by 5 - 4 today this will be 5 - 5 in first 6 matches Pakistan was leading by 5 - 1 but recently its falls down badly just because of bad management and poor policies as this happen in PCB cricket is also going down like Squash and Hockey so this will carry on if we have some good person in management hopefully this will change again in near future.

I don't think this "good change" thing is happening any time soon. There's a hell lot of difference in the domestic structure of Indian cricket and Pakistan cricket, and after observing today's match between India and Pakistan, it's clear that Pakistan will not be able to have a good team in upcoming years. Still, PCB's new management and their roadmap are all flawed; it's time to copy/paste the structures of either Australia or England.

I highly doubt that merely copy/paste of any structure going to help Pakistani cause here, unless PCB recruit some sort of honest individuals, they no need to be 100% honest in that case but they should put country's interest first. At least avoid petty politics and select players on merit only, not because he's someone's nephew etc.
Pakistan need to take necessary action to make things right. Earlier it was India which always gives priority to political influence and for corruption. Slowly things have changed and the real talents have come out playing good cricket. In yesterday's match this was clearly visible on the way both the teams played. With Pakistan there were good cricketers, but they haven't got good experience to lead. If any of the player have led the team it could've atleast touched 200 runs.
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Finally New Zealand is on a verge to win the ODI after getting humiliated in the T20 series and Taylor is still in the crease and they started loosing wickets right now, they play really well till they reach the final few runs and then they start loosing wickets which is really strange and they lost the T20 series only because they were not able to chase the score successfully and i am not expecting India to win from this stage but i wont be surprised if it ends up in a tie  Cheesy.
They deserved a win after their recent debacle. Taylor and Latham were spectacular along with Nichols. I have always had issues with Shardul leaking runs which is why Saini and Chahar are better in comparison in my opinion.

They managed to chase down such a big total with 11 balls to spare proving that they can still win(Sometimes). Kuldeep was pretty bad though he took a couple of important wickets while Bumrah and Jadeja bowled nicely. Lets see if India can bounce back in the 2nd ODI(Most probably will).
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This one is pretty much in the bag with Indian batsmen having stepped on the gas a bit for the last 5-6 overs. They are cruising at a comfortable 89 for no loss after 21 overs. Need just 84 runs now at less than 3 rpo. The senior Pakistan team routinely gets booted out at the hands of India in world cups. No surprise that the young padawans are also making a habit out of it..
Its circle of time this is 10th match between these two team and Pakistan is already leading by 5 - 4 today this will be 5 - 5 in first 6 matches Pakistan was leading by 5 - 1 but recently its falls down badly just because of bad management and poor policies as this happen in PCB cricket is also going down like Squash and Hockey so this will carry on if we have some good person in management hopefully this will change again in near future.

I don't think this "good change" thing is happening any time soon. There's a hell lot of difference in the domestic structure of Indian cricket and Pakistan cricket, and after observing today's match between India and Pakistan, it's clear that Pakistan will not be able to have a good team in upcoming years. Still, PCB's new management and their roadmap are all flawed; it's time to copy/paste the structures of either Australia or England.
In Pakistan most of players came from streets no structure was helping them in long run even Lahore Gymkhana is one of best local club which never produce any top players mostly came from streets and rurla areas because this was natural talent and good management give them chance now its all end poor management bringing own peoples and boys or few coming through bribes as we have few cases recently so this kill all this just few powerful and good peoples can chnage things Indian system is also well prepared after this IPL because this bring too much money and Pakistani problem is PSL is also not able to bring thing like other countries as they are creating hype and foreign players unable to came here.
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Finally New Zealand is on a verge to win the ODI after getting humiliated in the T20 series and Taylor is still in the crease and they started loosing wickets right now, they play really well till they reach the final few runs and then they start loosing wickets which is really strange and they lost the T20 series only because they were not able to chase the score successfully and i am not expecting India to win from this stage but i wont be surprised if it ends up in a tie  Cheesy.

They will win great chase, i thought they would lose this match after seeing the score they need to chase. Great batting by Taylor and Nicholls. This win will boost their confidence.
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Finally New Zealand is on a verge to win the ODI after getting humiliated in the T20 series and Taylor is still in the crease and they started loosing wickets right now, they play really well till they reach the final few runs and then they start loosing wickets which is really strange and they lost the T20 series only because they were not able to chase the score successfully and i am not expecting India to win from this stage but i wont be surprised if it ends up in a tie  Cheesy.
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Its circle of time this is 10th match between these two team and Pakistan is already leading by 5 - 4 today this will be 5 - 5 in first 6 matches Pakistan was leading by 5 - 1 but recently its falls down badly just because of bad management and poor policies as this happen in PCB cricket is also going down like Squash and Hockey so this will carry on if we have some good person in management hopefully this will change again in near future.

I don't think this "good change" thing is happening any time soon. There's a hell lot of difference in the domestic structure of Indian cricket and Pakistan cricket, and after observing today's match between India and Pakistan, it's clear that Pakistan will not be able to have a good team in upcoming years. Still, PCB's new management and their roadmap are all flawed; it's time to copy/paste the structures of either Australia or England.

I highly doubt that merely copy/paste of any structure going to help Pakistani cause here, unless PCB recruit some sort of honest individuals, they no need to be 100% honest in that case but they should put country's interest first. At least avoid petty politics and select players on merit only, not because he's someone's nephew etc.
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NZ are batting well now and are already at 178 runs and need another 170 runs from 18 overs. With just 3 wickets down and Taylor out there, it looks possible but still the RRR is nearing 9 and if he gets out, I don't see any batsmen good enough to get 150+ runs.

Today India's opening partnership was decent considering it's a new one and having inexperienced players bat. Rahul not being the opening batsmen was a good move as he was eased of that pressure playing without Rohit.
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NZ have started their innings very well and are 117/2 in 21.4 overs. They still require 231 and 8 wickets with required rate being 8.15. If India can pickup another wicket of Nicholls here who is batting at 59 NZ will start to feel the pressure again and may lose wickets quickly. And if they Taylor and Nicholas can play another 10 overs together things may be under control of NZ and require rate may fall.

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Good to see James Neesham back in the New Zealand bowler. He is someone who is capable of bowling economically in the middle overs. In the absence of strike bowlers such as Boult and Ferguson, he will be very useful against the Indian batting lineup. So far the New Zealand bowlers have done well, to restrict India to 62/2 after 13 overs. Onl;y Hamish Bennett looked out of sorts, as he conceded 26 from his 3 overs. The other bowlers have done well, till now (Southee/de Grandhomme/Neesham).

Average performance by Prithvi Shaw and Mayank Agarwal. Good batting by Shreyas Iyer, this is a complete one sided game now. It is highly unlikely that NZ will be able to cBase such a massive target.

Why do I feel this ODI series will be a whitewash just like the T20 one.
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^Maybe team management wants him to fit to be in the middle order because India already have one of the best opening pair of Dhawan and Rohit so making KL Rahul to play at the top is like wasting the available opportunity.Iyer plays more responsibly now and wants to seal a permanent spot in the team as well.Big target for the NZ can they get it?

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I was surprised to see Rahul being not the opening batsman for India as he really builds the innings well and should be on top of batting line up and also when their are no experienced batsman opening the batting . But finally India played well and Kohli, Rahul and Iyer innings ensured India reaches to 347 for 4 in 50 overs . Iyer completed his century and was out for 103 hi
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How things can take a turn when just few days back SA struggled in test match against same team has started well in the match, though Denley and lower order batsman helped England to pass 250+ runs which at one point was just a thought for them. SA started the chase well and are 76/1 in 16 overs.
It was a complete change in attitude in the shorter format and they were able to chase the score with the help of inform batsman Quinton de Kock and Bavuma missed his century by 2 runs and as long as the top order scores they are a formidable team in the shorter format.

India is playing really well and KL Rahul and Shreyas Iyer in the crease and India will be looking to post over 300 runs and New Zealand is dropping catches in the outfield which will not help them in any way. Kane Williamson is not playing for New Zealand and hence it will be difficult for them to chase a huge total, hopefully it will be an interesting match till the end.
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Good to see James Neesham back in the New Zealand bowler. He is someone who is capable of bowling economically in the middle overs. In the absence of strike bowlers such as Boult and Ferguson, he will be very useful against the Indian batting lineup. So far the New Zealand bowlers have done well, to restrict India to 62/2 after 13 overs. Onl;y Hamish Bennett looked out of sorts, as he conceded 26 from his 3 overs. The other bowlers have done well, till now (Southee/de Grandhomme/Neesham).
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