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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on November 09, 2019, 08:51:19 AM

Looks like Afghanistan is inching towards another very heavy loss. They have lost 3 wickets already and the score is only 65/3. Once again, the top order has failed for Afghanistan. Hazratullah Zazai and Rahmat Shah both got good starts, but they need to convert these 20s and 30s to half-centuries. Javed Ahmadi had yet another failure today.

I always wonder what would have being their situation when Mohammad Shahzad was their opener, he usually gave them a good start and he always had a hard time with the cricket board and so is the reason he is not in the team, if they need to win matches and all of their major past victories Mohammad Shahzad was their main player in batting and they have good spinners who could bat a bit and all of their victories came because of the start they got and now they are struggling to find a good opening combination and now it is difficult to chase this score with the way West Indies is bowling and a wicket from here will expose the tail end and they could bat but highly unlikely they can chase this score as they still need 143 runs to win.

It's not like the issues between the ACB and Mohammad Shahzad propped up all of a sudden. The relation was cold for the last 2-3 years and it reached a breaking point when Shahzad was omitted from the world cup squad. After that he threatened to retire, but the selectors refused to give in to his demands. This is what happened back then:

https://gulfnews.com/sport/cricket/afghanistans-mohammad-shahzad-threatens-to-quit-cricket-after-world-cup-axing-1.1560242367669

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on November 09, 2019, 08:51:19 AM

Looks like Afghanistan is inching towards another very heavy loss. They have lost 3 wickets already and the score is only 65/3. Once again, the top order has failed for Afghanistan. Hazratullah Zazai and Rahmat Shah both got good starts, but they need to convert these 20s and 30s to half-centuries. Javed Ahmadi had yet another failure today.

I always wonder what would have being their situation when Mohammad Shahzad was their opener, he usually gave them a good start and he always had a hard time with the cricket board and so is the reason he is not in the team, if they need to win matches and all of their major past victories Mohammad Shahzad was their main player in batting and they have good spinners who could bat a bit and all of their victories came because of the start they got and now they are struggling to find a good opening combination and now it is difficult to chase this score with the way West Indies is bowling and a wicket from here will expose the tail end and they could bat but highly unlikely they can chase this score as they still need 143 runs to win.

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Looks like Afghanistan is inching towards another very heavy loss. They have lost 3 wickets already and the score is only 65/3. Once again, the top order has failed for Afghanistan. Hazratullah Zazai and Rahmat Shah both got good starts, but they need to convert these 20s and 30s to half-centuries. Javed Ahmadi had yet another failure today.

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This always happens with me. I was just about to place a bet for WI at an odd or 1.97 and just few second before the place the get they lost Rahmat Shah LOL
Now the odd is down to 1.52 :-P

Lost the motivation to bet. Let's hope a good innings.

Edit: And another gone LOL
Odd is 1.25 :-(

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on November 09, 2019, 06:49:12 AM

The Afghan bowlers conceded too many runs during the last 10 overs. West Indies was struggling at 160/5 after 40 overs, but they managed almost 90 runs from the last 10 overs. This has been one of the issues with Afghanistan for quite sometime. They are not good finishers. Even Rashid Khan and Mujeeb ur Rahman went for a lot of runs during the last few overs.

West Indies recovered well as they lost Kieron Pollard in the 40th over with a score of 160 runs and from that they were able to put some runs on the board so that they will be able to defend the total as Afghanistan is not known to have consistent batsman and if the West Indies bowlers are able to restrict the flow of runs they would start going for big hits and start loosing their wickets, Afghanistan lost a wicket in the first over but after that they are playing well without taking much risk and if they can play like this till the 40th over without loosing much wicket then they are able to chase this total.

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Afghanistan did the right thing as they won the toss and elected to field and West Indies put a modest total of 247 runs, Mohammad Nabi and Rashid Khan bowled well to restrict them and if Afghanistan can bat properly they can win and level the series but i doubt whether they have the patience to chase a modest total, anyone following the match and if so who are the main players in Afghanistan batting line up.

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Quote from: Avirunes on November 09, 2019, 12:22:29 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on November 08, 2019, 10:58:38 PM

If ODI is losing popularity, then the ICC can consider conducting more T20 matches and reducing the number of ODIs. But changing the format is not the right solution, IMO.

I don't think so that ODI is losing popularity. It's still that same packed stadium here. So I don't think its gonna happen either way.

Regarding changing format, the problem in Test no getting attention I can guess we can change that first need to determine the cause properly for the decline in crowd attendance.

There’re some ODI which record low turnouts but those are between lower tier teams, whenever top teams play the stadium are always full. In my personal opinion ODI popularity has taken a substantial hit, but I yet would not change it’s format I would rather have ICC introduce more day and night ODIs to pull in the crowds.

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Quote from: sureshnsnet on November 09, 2019, 06:47:38 AM

Afghanistan can beat west indies today? because of West Indies is 239/7 in 49 over maybe they can give the target of 250 runs or more so it will be easy to chase down for Afghanistan?

I don't think so. The Afghan bowlers conceded too many runs during the last 10 overs. West Indies was struggling at 160/5 after 40 overs, but they managed almost 90 runs from the last 10 overs. This has been one of the issues with Afghanistan for quite sometime. They are not good finishers. Even Rashid Khan and Mujeeb ur Rahman went for a lot of runs during the last few overs.

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Afghanistan can beat west indies today? because of West Indies is 239/7 in 49 overs maybe they can give the target of 250 runs or more so it will be easy to chase down for Afghanistan?

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^^^ In India, the Afghanistan vs West Indies match is being telecast on Star Sports 1 HD (they are showing the domestic T20 competition in Star Sports 2 HD). BTW, I don't know whether the matches are available outside South Asia. In India, we have close to 20 sports channels and you may always find some live match going on in at least some of the channels. Anyway, West Indies is off to a good (but slow) start. So far they have made 78/0 from 19.0 overs with Evin Lewis and Shai Hope opening the innings.

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Quote from: Avirunes on November 09, 2019, 03:20:04 AM

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In India we have Test not being popular while in England they find test entertaining to watch.

Well I Though Test match in between India and Australia is always exciting especially those old days one when Sachin, Ganguly, VVS Laxman and gang stopped Australia from their record breaking constitutive wins. If I recall they (India) won the Test from a point where they were nearly losing the series and finally they won the series. In those old days there were really no IPL and T-20 shit.

In England, Ashes is always popular and it's again against Australia. Fact is when Australia plays against a big team then it's always entertaining especially test match.

By the way, can anyone pass me a link of this WI vs Afghanistan match. I can not see it in my tele not is able to find a live link too. This match seems to have good potential to make some money :-P

I just need to follow few overs first.

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Quote from: Little Mouse on November 09, 2019, 12:30:36 AM

It's the length, nothing else.

Exactly. Some do like and some don't. Its just that in India we don't find many liking this format (length being the issue like you said). Sometimes opponents also matters (IMO).

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Quote from: Avirunes on November 09, 2019, 12:22:29 AM

I don't think so that ODI is losing popularity. It's still that same packed stadium here. So I don't think its gonna happen either way.
Regarding changing format, the problem in Test no getting attention I can guess we can change that first need to determine the cause properly for the decline in crowd attendance.

Outside South Asia, it looks like ODI cricket is losing popularity. Almost all the test playing nations and many of the associate nations have now started high voltage T20 franchise tournaments and nowadays a lot of the fans prefer these leagues when compared to international cricket (especially ODI and test). My suggestion is that cricket needs to change with time and the ICC needs to stop giving unfair advantage to the formats which have waning popularity among the fans.

Well cricket fans have different kind of mindset and preference around the globe. In India we have Test not being popular while in England they find test entertaining to watch. Its same with other format as well. Its not kinda goes all hand-in-hand with every area and nor will come close in future I guess.

I though think you have something in your point with increase/decrease in no. of games in format instead of changing the format.

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Quote from: Avirunes on November 09, 2019, 12:22:29 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on November 08, 2019, 10:58:38 PM

If ODI is losing popularity, then the ICC can consider conducting more T20 matches and reducing the number of ODIs. But changing the format is not the right solution, IMO.

I don't think so that ODI is losing popularity. It's still that same packed stadium here. So I don't think its gonna happen either way.

Regarding changing format, the problem in Test no getting attention I can guess we can change that first need to determine the cause properly for the decline in crowd attendance.

Yes ODI would not lose popularity reason being the game gets over in a days’ time and those cricket fans would like to watch the match for some hours where both teams batting and bowling skills could be displayed and which is also not in a very short format like T20. So ODI is perfect for them.

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Quote from: Avirunes on November 09, 2019, 12:22:29 AM

I don't think so that ODI is losing popularity. It's still that same packed stadium here. So I don't think its gonna happen either way.
Regarding changing format, the problem in Test no getting attention I can guess we can change that first need to determine the cause properly for the decline in crowd attendance.

Outside South Asia, it looks like ODI cricket is losing popularity. Almost all the test playing nations and many of the associate nations have now started high voltage T20 franchise tournaments and nowadays a lot of the fans prefer these leagues when compared to international cricket (especially ODI and test). My suggestion is that cricket needs to change with time and the ICC needs to stop giving unfair advantage to the formats which have waning popularity among the fans.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on November 08, 2019, 10:58:38 PM

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Quote from: eaLiTy on November 08, 2019, 02:49:50 PM

Have you seen the proposition of Sachin Tendulkar to revamp the ODI 50 overs to four innings 25 overs per side, do you think it will improve ODI or will destroy the entertaining factor, considering the T20 matches are taking over all these formats there is nothing wrong in experimenting but the biggest question is whether any board will start experimenting the ODI format anytime soon.

I think reshaping it to 25 overs a side is somewhat similar to T-20 (just a 5 overs- a side difference). TBH seems a little bit odd proposition to me. I am not sure what is the factor behind it but I am gonna guess it should be crowd related. If it is then I don't think we have low crowd issues in ODI. Even in ODI's that India play outside we have more crowd then the hosting countries. Just for Test it seems like a concern but for other formats I don't they have any crowd related issue.

Having a break after 25 overs is OK. But limiting the innings to 25 overs will make it too similar to T20, as you have already posted.

I think eaLiTy is talking about 4 innings of 25 overs, not limiting it within 25 overs per side. Anyway, I don't think this will help much towards increasing popularity or visitors. Still it requires 12 hours almost.

Quote from: Avirunes on November 09, 2019, 12:22:29 AM

Regarding changing format, the problem in Test no getting attention I can guess we can change that first need to determine the cause properly for the decline in crowd attendance.

It's the length, nothing else.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on November 08, 2019, 10:58:38 PM

If ODI is losing popularity, then the ICC can consider conducting more T20 matches and reducing the number of ODIs. But changing the format is not the right solution, IMO.

I don't think so that ODI is losing popularity. It's still that same packed stadium here. So I don't think its gonna happen either way.

Regarding changing format, the problem in Test no getting attention I can guess we can change that first need to determine the cause properly for the decline in crowd attendance.

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Quote from: Avirunes on November 08, 2019, 07:19:09 PM

Quote from: eaLiTy on November 08, 2019, 02:49:50 PM

Have you seen the proposition of Sachin Tendulkar to revamp the ODI 50 overs to four innings 25 overs per side, do you think it will improve ODI or will destroy the entertaining factor, considering the T20 matches are taking over all these formats there is nothing wrong in experimenting but the biggest question is whether any board will start experimenting the ODI format anytime soon.

I think reshaping it to 25 overs a side is somewhat similar to T-20 (just a 5 overs- a side difference). TBH seems a little bit odd proposition to me. I am not sure what is the factor behind it but I am gonna guess it should be crowd related. If it is then I don't think we have low crowd issues in ODI. Even in ODI's that India play outside we have more crowd then the hosting countries. Just for Test it seems like a concern but for other formats I don't they have any crowd related issue.

Having a break after 25 overs is OK. But limiting the innings to 25 overs will make it too similar to T20, as you have already posted. The bowlers will lose whatever advantage they have currently, in case the innings is shortened to 25 overs. We already have T20, and therefore I don't think that further shortening the ODI format will be a good idea. If ODI is losing popularity, then the ICC can consider conducting more T20 matches and reducing the number of ODIs. But changing the format is not the right solution, IMO.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on November 08, 2019, 02:49:50 PM

Have you seen the proposition of Sachin Tendulkar to revamp the ODI 50 overs to four innings 25 overs per side, do you think it will improve ODI or will destroy the entertaining factor, considering the T20 matches are taking over all these formats there is nothing wrong in experimenting but the biggest question is whether any board will start experimenting the ODI format anytime soon.

I think reshaping it to 25 overs a side is somewhat similar to T-20 (just a 5 overs- a side difference). TBH seems a little bit odd proposition to me. I am not sure what is the factor behind it but I am gonna guess it should be crowd related. If it is then I don't think we have low crowd issues in ODI. Even in ODI's that India play outside we have more crowd then the hosting countries. Just for Test it seems like a concern but for other formats I don't they have any crowd related issue.

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Quote from: Indymoney on November 08, 2019, 03:01:28 PM

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I don't think any board going to try this as we already have twenty/20 version and its not going to help as now many new leagues coming with different ways and its already hurting too much ODI they just need to do some better for this format like equal chance for both bowlers and batsmen because right now most things helping batting not bowling.

The ICC is trying their best to attract the audience for Test matches and we might see a time when you find it difficult to attract a crowd in the 50 over game and if that happens then these instructions can be implemented, it is a good concept if the ICC is considering to experiment with cricket and it will be fun for the audience and the main purpose is revenue in any sport and if they think that they can earn more revenue with these changes they might go for it.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on November 08, 2019, 02:49:50 PM

Have you seen the proposition of Sachin Tendulkar to revamp the ODI 50 overs to four innings 25 overs per side, do you think it will improve ODI or will destroy the entertaining factor, considering the T20 matches are taking over all these formats there is nothing wrong in experimenting but the biggest question is whether any board will start experimenting the ODI format anytime soon.

I don't think any board going to try this as we already have twenty/20 version and its not going to help as now many new leagues coming with different ways and its already hurting too much ODI they just need to do some better for this format like equal chance for both bowlers and batsmen because right now most things helping batting not bowling.

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