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Quote from: Publictalk792 on June 07, 2024, 08:08:48 PM

And you are saying they will go in semifinals but I think they will not qualify for the super 8. Means this is looking much difficult at this time. Because next match is with India and I don't think so they will win the match. And last one with Canada so this match they can win.
And let me raise one more point for Pakistani players and that is match fixing. We have seen many cases regarding this. So that can be the big issue too for their bad performance.

You are absolutely right. Many players involved in match fixing like Muhammad Amir , Muhammad Asif and Sharjeel Khan . These are the players who caught but there are many who are doing match fixing and they are not exposed. Pakistani cricket board should take step against these players because these are fraud persons and these are double faced persons .

But I think ,if Pakistani cricket board didn't take step and didn't emit the fraud players ,then in the next World Cup , Pakistani International cricket team will play qualifing round to qualify for World cup. Because these players are not able to play the World cup. USA part team won the match against Pakistan and USA players were not Professional. I didn't expected that kind of performance from Pakistani team disappointed me.

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Quote from: Fuso.hp on June 07, 2024, 12:46:12 PM

Pakistan's loss against USA can't be blamed on just one bowler, if not the entire team's performance, they don't lose against a team like USA at least. The way Pakistan played in the Super Over was not the game of a professional cricket team at all. They gave away 18 runs in the super over but in return they managed to score only 13 runs. If the team that participated in the finals of the last World Cup tournament where they lost against England only because of Shaheen Afridi's injury then where is the team's dignity if they lose against a team like USA. Pakistan have undergone army training ahead of T20 World Cup to maintain their fitness but their performance does not look like army trained players.

I agree that Pakistan team lost the match from USA team so we can't be attributed to single bowler. Entire team performance was was not good and their Super Over display was unprofessional. Conceding 18 runs and only managing to score 13 in return is unacceptable. Given their recent World Cup finals appearance albeit hindered by Shaheen Afridi injury it is disappointing to see them falter against team like USA. Despite undergoing army training to enhance their fitness their performance lacks discipline and rigor one would expect from team with such training. It is time for Pakistan to reflect on their strategy and teamwork to regain their dignity and competitive edge. But at this time I am looking that they will not qualify for the super 8.

I agree about this Pakistan team in this match was serious under pressure from the start of the game, and they were having serious problems in batting but still good thing happen, and they were able to score 159 which was good but in bowling again we have troubling time for them which give them problems but at the end in last few overs we are having good comeback from them, but Haris Rauf's last two balls again give them setback and after this we have one of the worst super over from the Mohammad Amir which is already served ban in spot fixing and things were not controllable for him in this over which give Pakistan shocking defeat and now possible early exit from this mega event.

Army training and things like these are ok but still they needed to be play like professional cricketers because they are doing this all for years, and they are well experienced and established players in the world.

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Quote from: Fuso.hp on June 07, 2024, 12:46:12 PM

Pakistan's loss against USA can't be blamed on just one bowler, if not the entire team's performance, they don't lose against a team like USA at least. The way Pakistan played in the Super Over was not the game of a professional cricket team at all. They gave away 18 runs in the super over but in return they managed to score only 13 runs. If the team that participated in the finals of the last World Cup tournament where they lost against England only because of Shaheen Afridi's injury then where is the team's dignity if they lose against a team like USA. Pakistan have undergone army training ahead of T20 World Cup to maintain their fitness but their performance does not look like army trained players.

Once again, finally Shadab Khan back into his good form and once again doing good batting and bowling as we have seen in yesterday’s match otherwise before in the Ireland series and England series (both in the ODI and T20) he lost his form but now finally he is back in order. Even though Pakistan lost this match but will shall see Shadab Khan performaces in upcoming matches too.

So, once again we are likely to see his wicket and also we have that in matah as he has done good batting and also bowling but when Aaron Jones came then he has to face difficulties because Aaron Jones knows how to play spin and again Canada at the first match, he also played well against the spin bowling but overall in today’s match, Shadab Khan performance was so good.

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Quote from: Fuso.hp on June 07, 2024, 12:46:12 PM

Pakistan's loss against USA can't be blamed on just one bowler, if not the entire team's performance, they don't lose against a team like USA at least. The way Pakistan played in the Super Over was not the game of a professional cricket team at all. They gave away 18 runs in the super over but in return they managed to score only 13 runs. If the team that participated in the finals of the last World Cup tournament where they lost against England only because of Shaheen Afridi's injury then where is the team's dignity if they lose against a team like USA. Pakistan have undergone army training ahead of T20 World Cup to maintain their fitness but their performance does not look like army trained players.

I agree that Pakistan team lost the match from USA team so we can't be attributed to single bowler. Entire team performance was was not good and their Super Over display was unprofessional. Conceding 18 runs and only managing to score 13 in return is unacceptable. Given their recent World Cup finals appearance albeit hindered by Shaheen Afridi injury it is disappointing to see them falter against team like USA. Despite undergoing army training to enhance their fitness their performance lacks discipline and rigor one would expect from team with such training. It is time for Pakistan to reflect on their strategy and teamwork to regain their dignity and competitive edge. But at this time I am looking that they will not qualify for the super 8.

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Quote from: Nanga Parbat on June 06, 2024, 08:53:41 PM

I think all players of Pakistani team are referenced players and nobody came in the team with his talent. But I am surprised to hear your good words for Pakistani team . Because I am seeing the Pakistani team from the last 2 years ,their performance is going down and down . Management did not solve the problem and if they didn't solve the performance,team will lose big matches against Australia or India or England. Because I think, Pakistani team will play semi final but it will lose in the semi final. Now ,my question is if the Pakistani team will play semi final against Australia and it will lose badly,that is high quality team and management choosed the best players from the country. I think,in Pakistan cricket only money and reference matters and without money,you will be out of the game and nobody will help you.

Yes this is acceptable. Means which you said these all are referenced players. But what @Themepen said means the good words about Pakistani team. So this is good because that is our team. So we should always stand with them.
And you are saying they will go in semifinals but I think they will not qualify for the super 8. Means this is looking much difficult at this time. Because next match is with India and I don't think so they will win the match. And last one with Canada so this match they can win.
And let me raise one more point for Pakistani players and that is match fixing. We have seen many cases regarding this. So that can be the big issue too for their bad performance.

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I think Pakistani team is not playing like a team . They should focus on your goal to win the World cup. Pakistani International cricket team is not weak team but it want to play matches against weak team and they want to be happy to win against small teams. But by playing against small teams , Pakistani team can't win the tournament. In comparison, Indian team is best team and want to play against big teams and they enjoy to play against big players and that's why they are real winners but in last World they lose the final due to bad luck . I think there are 90 percent chances of India to win the World cup. Australia is good team and and they are also favorite to win this World Cup. I think,luck matters a lot in the final of World Cup and that team will win which will play and luck will be in their favor.

Is Pakistan team decide to play with small teams?
Yes there are some mistakes in the team which should be resolved if they want to stand at prominent level in World Cup. But they are doing well.
Like we can take an example from the yesterday match. USA team is not a big team like others. But Pakistan was not able to defeat them. They made only 159 runs against them and USA tied the match and win the match in super over. You may see the performance of Muhammad Amir in Super over he bowled three wides and gave 18 runs in an over. Conclusion is that they have some mistakes which they should resolve and they don't decide to play with small teams only ICC decide about that.

Main reason of Pakistan lose match against United states is Haris Rouf bad bowling in last over. he didn't defend 15 runs in last over and bowl full toss to United States basteman. also in super over Muhammad Amir disappointing performance very bad bowling give to much extra runs and United States Bateman score 19 runs in Super over. If we look at the wide score is 7 runs extra giving in super over you didn't deserve to win this match. United States are now favourite team to qualify for the super eight of this world cup. Pakistan have no chances to beat India in upcoming match 9th June because their moral and confidence are down. Pakistan needs to kick off Azam khan and Hairs rouf from team if they win the next match in world cup.

Pakistan's loss against USA can't be blamed on just one bowler, if not the entire team's performance, they don't lose against a team like USA at least. The way Pakistan played in the Super Over was not the game of a professional cricket team at all. They gave away 18 runs in the super over but in return they managed to score only 13 runs. If the team that participated in the finals of the last World Cup tournament where they lost against England only because of Shaheen Afridi's injury then where is the team's dignity if they lose against a team like USA. Pakistan have undergone army training ahead of T20 World Cup to maintain their fitness but their performance does not look like army trained players.

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I think Pakistani team is not playing like a team . They should focus on your goal to win the World cup. Pakistani International cricket team is not weak team but it want to play matches against weak team and they want to be happy to win against small teams. But by playing against small teams , Pakistani team can't win the tournament. In comparison, Indian team is best team and want to play against big teams and they enjoy to play against big players and that's why they are real winners but in last World they lose the final due to bad luck . I think there are 90 percent chances of India to win the World cup. Australia is good team and and they are also favorite to win this World Cup. I think,luck matters a lot in the final of World Cup and that team will win which will play and luck will be in their favor.

Yes Haris Rauf despite being an experienced bowler was completely fooled by the inexperienced United State batsmen.When United needed 15 runs in the last over, we thought maybe Pakistan would win this match easily but Haris Rauf could not handle the last over. It was Pakistan's first defeat in the 2024 Men's T20 World Cup as they were defeated by the United States in the Super Over. It is natural that there will be win-loss in the game but as a Pakistani fan it is hard to accept that Pakistan team lost against such a weak team. The victory of the United States team against the Pakistan team was their biggest achievement. The weather for the United States is going well this year as they have been performing very well so far in this World T20.

Pakistani team is not playing like they come to win the World Cup. They performed very well in last World Cup but I think Pakistani team will lose against India badly and they will be in the Pakistan. Amir is big player but he gave many wides and he could not control the pressure and Pakistan lose the match against USA team. USA team players were part time players but Pakistani players are professionals and they are paid to play the matches in World Cup. But they disappointed their fans because fans didn't bear that kind of performance. In the past Shoaib Akhtar was a good match winning player. In the presence of big players, Pakistani team didn't lose against small teams but now Pakistani Cricket Board should take step for Pakistan cricket future. Pakistani players are playing PSL and at the end they lose against USA players.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on June 07, 2024, 07:55:58 AM

I think Muhammad Amir and Haris Rauf are the key players for the Pakistani team. Losing and winning is a part of the game but yes Muhammad Amir made some mistakes at the Super Over but overall, Muhammad Amir and Haris Rauf, also some from Shadab Khan, These are the three players who defended the score in a very good way, but later Shadab Khan also could not defend the score but he was doing the good bowling still.

Shaheen Shah Afridi and Naseem Shah also good but at this time, I think Shaheen Shah Afridi is not his good form while as always Naaseem Shah always known as for his swing.

There is no doubt about this with win and lost are part of the game but giving his best in crucial moments are also part of the game with in last game we are having no mistakes these were blunders which were done by few Pakistani players even they are well experienced but still all were playing like gali cricket specially few players which are now under radar of criticism are Azam Khan, Shadab Khan and Haris Rauf which are having the worst performance but still part of the team.

After losing captaincy Shaheen is also having not good time because he needs to give his best which is not coming and as I also read on different sites this chaos is part of the Pakistani Cricket as they are never been well organized mostly they are having grouping in team with personal likes and dislikes are also having important part in this all but still now they are down and out with this performance need long time to have good results and better performance.

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Main reason of Pakistan lose match against United states is Haris Rouf bad bowling in last over. he didn't defend 15 runs in last over and bowl full toss to United States basteman. also in super over Muhammad Amir disappointing performance very bad bowling give to much extra runs and United States Bateman score 19 runs in Super over. If we look at the wide score is 7 runs extra giving in super over you didn't deserve to win this match. United States are now favourite team to qualify for the super eight of this world cup. Pakistan have no chances to beat India in upcoming match 9th June because their moral and confidence are down.

Rauf always came as the help for the Pakistan team in important matches and also adjusted to the Pakistan team in good time. However, in today’s match, the Pakistan team almost lost hope in the bowling but when he came then he again hyped to it as he had done the last over which was too thriller and also the overs that he done before, I think nobody can do this. He is the best player for them but didn't perform. He picked just one wicket but as he was defending score was such a genius style. He is a very good player but had a bad day on this match.

Quote from: Cheema02 on June 07, 2024, 02:47:16 AM

Pakistan needs to kick off Azam khan and Hairs rouf from team if they win the next match in world cup.

At the place of Azam Khan, there must be Imad Wasim, because there is no place of Azam Khan in the team. He cannot do the batting and also cannot do wicket-keeping either while he is too fatty and cannot even run while fielding but if there were Imad Wasim then Imad could easily make good and also run fast.
Maybe, if today Imad Wasim was playing there then there could chance for Pakistan to hit more scores and at least touch 170 then the team Pakistan can win from the earlier part, and not have to go in super over if Imad Wasim would be there.

I think Muhammad Amir and Haris Rauf are the key players for the Pakistani team. Losing and winning is a part of the game but yes Muhammad Amir made some mistakes at the Super Over but overall, Muhammad Amir and Haris Rauf, also some from Shadab Khan, These are the three players who defended the score in a very good way, but later Shadab Khan also could not defend the score but he was doing the good bowling still.

Shaheen Shah Afridi and Naseem Shah also good but at this time, I think Shaheen Shah Afridi is not his good form while as always Naaseem Shah always known as for his swing.

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I think Pakistani team is not playing like a team . They should focus on your goal to win the World cup. Pakistani International cricket team is not weak team but it want to play matches against weak team and they want to be happy to win against small teams. But by playing against small teams , Pakistani team can't win the tournament. In comparison, Indian team is best team and want to play against big teams and they enjoy to play against big players and that's why they are real winners but in last World they lose the final due to bad luck . I think there are 90 percent chances of India to win the World cup. Australia is good team and and they are also favorite to win this World Cup. I think,luck matters a lot in the final of World Cup and that team will win which will play and luck will be in their favor.

Is Pakistan team decide to play with small teams?
Yes there are some mistakes in the team which should be resolved if they want to stand at prominent level in World Cup. But they are doing well.
Like we can take an example from the yesterday match. USA team is not a big team like others. But Pakistan was not able to defeat them. They made only 159 runs against them and USA tied the match and win the match in super over. You may see the performance of Muhammad Amir in Super over he bowled three wides and gave 18 runs in an over. Conclusion is that they have some mistakes which they should resolve and they don't decide to play with small teams only ICC decide about that.

Main reason of Pakistan lose match against United states is Haris Rouf bad bowling in last over. he didn't defend 15 runs in last over and bowl full toss to United States basteman. also in super over Muhammad Amir disappointing performance very bad bowling give to much extra runs and United States Bateman score 19 runs in Super over. If we look at the wide score is 7 runs extra giving in super over you didn't deserve to win this match. United States are now favourite team to qualify for the super eight of this world cup. Pakistan have no chances to beat India in upcoming match 9th June because their moral and confidence are down. Pakistan needs to kick off Azam khan and Hairs rouf from team if they win the next match in world cup.

Yes Haris Rauf despite being an experienced bowler was completely fooled by the inexperienced United State batsmen.When United needed 15 runs in the last over, we thought maybe Pakistan would win this match easily but Haris Rauf could not handle the last over. It was Pakistan's first defeat in the 2024 Men's T20 World Cup as they were defeated by the United States in the Super Over. It is natural that there will be win-loss in the game but as a Pakistani fan it is hard to accept that Pakistan team lost against such a weak team. The victory of the United States team against the Pakistan team was their biggest achievement. The weather for the United States is going well this year as they have been performing very well so far in this World T20.

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I think Pakistani team is not playing like a team . They should focus on your goal to win the World cup. Pakistani International cricket team is not weak team but it want to play matches against weak team and they want to be happy to win against small teams. But by playing against small teams , Pakistani team can't win the tournament. In comparison, Indian team is best team and want to play against big teams and they enjoy to play against big players and that's why they are real winners but in last World they lose the final due to bad luck . I think there are 90 percent chances of India to win the World cup. Australia is good team and and they are also favorite to win this World Cup. I think,luck matters a lot in the final of World Cup and that team will win which will play and luck will be in their favor.

Is Pakistan team decide to play with small teams?
Yes there are some mistakes in the team which should be resolved if they want to stand at prominent level in World Cup. But they are doing well.
Like we can take an example from the yesterday match. USA team is not a big team like others. But Pakistan was not able to defeat them. They made only 159 runs against them and USA tied the match and win the match in super over. You may see the performance of Muhammad Amir in Super over he bowled three wides and gave 18 runs in an over. Conclusion is that they have some mistakes which they should resolve and they don't decide to play with small teams only ICC decide about that.

Basically Pakistani team main issue is consistency. Their players don't have consistency that's why sometimes they are not able to win against small teams too. We can see sometimes they win against top teams but sometimes they lost against small teams.
And you shared some thoughts about the yesterday T20I World Cup match. I think they lost the match due Amir. He didn't bowl well the super over. He gave many extra runs to the USA team. And USA team took advantage of this mistake and won the match in super over. And I think the last over should be given to Naseem Shah I believe that he could bowl well but he gave over to Haris Rauf. I hope Pakistan will not make these mistakes in future. And will play well.

The lack of consistency in the performance of the players of the Pakistan team is proven again because yesterday the Pakistan team was defeated against the United States. Pakistan team has great things to say but their performance lacks consistency. Due to which they lost the match against weak USA and started the World Cup journey. To be honest, I feel very bad for Pakistan. If Pakistan batsmen could have batted responsibly, yesterday's match would have been won very easily against USA. However, the batsmen and bowlers of the Pakistan team did not perform well against the USA, they would have defeated the USA by a huge margin if they had performed well. On the other hand, USA won against Pakistan with a very good performance. USA batting and bowling performed better than Pakistan at the beginning due to which USA easily won against Pakistan. Yesterday's match was undoubtedly a high voltage match.

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Quote from: Cheema02 on June 07, 2024, 02:47:16 AM

Main reason of Pakistan lose match against United states is Haris Rouf bad bowling in last over. he didn't defend 15 runs in last over and bowl full toss to United States basteman. also in super over Muhammad Amir disappointing performance very bad bowling give to much extra runs and United States Bateman score 19 runs in Super over. If we look at the wide score is 7 runs extra giving in super over you didn't deserve to win this match. United States are now favourite team to qualify for the super eight of this world cup. Pakistan have no chances to beat India in upcoming match 9th June because their moral and confidence are down.

Rauf always came as the help for the Pakistan team in important matches and also adjusted to the Pakistan team in good time. However, in today’s match, the Pakistan team almost lost hope in the bowling but when he came then he again hyped to it as he had done the last over which was too thriller and also the overs that he done before, I think nobody can do this. He is the best player for them but didn't perform. He picked just one wicket but as he was defending score was such a genius style. He is a very good player but had a bad day on this match.

Quote from: Cheema02 on June 07, 2024, 02:47:16 AM

Pakistan needs to kick off Azam khan and Hairs rouf from team if they win the next match in world cup.

At the place of Azam Khan, there must be Imad Wasim, because there is no place of Azam Khan in the team. He cannot do the batting and also cannot do wicket-keeping either while he is too fatty and cannot even run while fielding but if there were Imad Wasim then Imad could easily make good and also run fast.
Maybe, if today Imad Wasim was playing there then there could chance for Pakistan to hit more scores and at least touch 170 then the team Pakistan can win from the earlier part, and not have to go in super over if Imad Wasim would be there.

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Quote from: Nanga Parbat on June 06, 2024, 09:47:56 AM

I think Pakistani team is not playing like a team . They should focus on your goal to win the World cup. Pakistani International cricket team is not weak team but it want to play matches against weak team and they want to be happy to win against small teams. But by playing against small teams , Pakistani team can't win the tournament. In comparison, Indian team is best team and want to play against big teams and they enjoy to play against big players and that's why they are real winners but in last World they lose the final due to bad luck . I think there are 90 percent chances of India to win the World cup. Australia is good team and and they are also favorite to win this World Cup. I think,luck matters a lot in the final of World Cup and that team will win which will play and luck will be in their favor.

Is Pakistan team decide to play with small teams?
Yes there are some mistakes in the team which should be resolved if they want to stand at prominent level in World Cup. But they are doing well.
Like we can take an example from the yesterday match. USA team is not a big team like others. But Pakistan was not able to defeat them. They made only 159 runs against them and USA tied the match and win the match in super over. You may see the performance of Muhammad Amir in Super over he bowled three wides and gave 18 runs in an over. Conclusion is that they have some mistakes which they should resolve and they don't decide to play with small teams only ICC decide about that.

Main reason of Pakistan lose match against United states is Haris Rouf bad bowling in last over. he didn't defend 15 runs in last over and bowl full toss to United States basteman. also in super over Muhammad Amir disappointing performance very bad bowling give to much extra runs and United States Bateman score 19 runs in Super over. If we look at the wide score is 7 runs extra giving in super over you didn't deserve to win this match. United States are now favourite team to qualify for the super eight of this world cup. Pakistan have no chances to beat India in upcoming match 9th June because their moral and confidence are down. Pakistan needs to kick off Azam khan and Hairs rouf from team if they win the next match in world cup.

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I think Pakistani team is not playing like a team . They should focus on your goal to win the World cup. Pakistani International cricket team is not weak team but it want to play matches against weak team and they want to be happy to win against small teams. But by playing against small teams , Pakistani team can't win the tournament. In comparison, Indian team is best team and want to play against big teams and they enjoy to play against big players and that's why they are real winners but in last World they lose the final due to bad luck . I think there are 90 percent chances of India to win the World cup. Australia is good team and and they are also favorite to win this World Cup. I think,luck matters a lot in the final of World Cup and that team will win which will play and luck will be in their favor.

Is Pakistan team decide to play with small teams?
Yes there are some mistakes in the team which should be resolved if they want to stand at prominent level in World Cup. But they are doing well.
Like we can take an example from the yesterday match. USA team is not a big team like others. But Pakistan was not able to defeat them. They made only 159 runs against them and USA tied the match and win the match in super over. You may see the performance of Muhammad Amir in Super over he bowled three wides and gave 18 runs in an over. Conclusion is that they have some mistakes which they should resolve and they don't decide to play with small teams only ICC decide about that.

Basically Pakistani team main issue is consistency. Their players don't have consistency that's why sometimes they are not able to win against small teams too. We can see sometimes they win against top teams but sometimes they lost against small teams.
And you shared some thoughts about the yesterday T20I World Cup match. I think they lost the match due Amir. He didn't bowl well the super over. He gave many extra runs to the USA team. And USA team took advantage of this mistake and won the match in super over. And I think the last over should be given to Naseem Shah I believe that he could bowl well but he gave over to Haris Rauf. I hope Pakistan will not make these mistakes in future. And will play well.

I think all players of Pakistani team are referenced players and nobody came in the team with his talent. But I am surprised to hear your good words for Pakistani team . Because I am seeing the Pakistani team from the last 2 years ,their performance is going down and down . Management did not solve the problem and if they didn't solve the performance,team will lose big matches against Australia or India or England. Because I think, Pakistani team will play semi final but it will lose in the semi final. Now ,my question is if the Pakistani team will play semi final against Australia and it will lose badly,that is high quality team and management choosed the best players from the country. I think,in Pakistan cricket only money and reference matters and without money,you will be out of the game and nobody will help you.

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Quote from: Nanga Parbat on June 06, 2024, 09:47:56 AM

I think Pakistani team is not playing like a team . They should focus on your goal to win the World cup. Pakistani International cricket team is not weak team but it want to play matches against weak team and they want to be happy to win against small teams. But by playing against small teams , Pakistani team can't win the tournament. In comparison, Indian team is best team and want to play against big teams and they enjoy to play against big players and that's why they are real winners but in last World they lose the final due to bad luck . I think there are 90 percent chances of India to win the World cup. Australia is good team and and they are also favorite to win this World Cup. I think,luck matters a lot in the final of World Cup and that team will win which will play and luck will be in their favor.

Is Pakistan team decide to play with small teams?
Yes there are some mistakes in the team which should be resolved if they want to stand at prominent level in World Cup. But they are doing well.
Like we can take an example from the yesterday match. USA team is not a big team like others. But Pakistan was not able to defeat them. They made only 159 runs against them and USA tied the match and win the match in super over. You may see the performance of Muhammad Amir in Super over he bowled three wides and gave 18 runs in an over. Conclusion is that they have some mistakes which they should resolve and they don't decide to play with small teams only ICC decide about that.

Basically Pakistani team main issue is consistency. Their players don't have consistency that's why sometimes they are not able to win against small teams too. We can see sometimes they win against top teams but sometimes they lost against small teams.
And you shared some thoughts about the yesterday T20I World Cup match. I think they lost the match due Amir. He didn't bowl well the super over. He gave many extra runs to the USA team. And USA team took advantage of this mistake and won the match in super over. And I think the last over should be given to Naseem Shah I believe that he could bowl well but he gave over to Haris Rauf. I hope Pakistan will not make these mistakes in future. And will play well.

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I think Pakistani team is not playing like a team . They should focus on your goal to win the World cup. Pakistani International cricket team is not weak team but it want to play matches against weak team and they want to be happy to win against small teams. But by playing against small teams , Pakistani team can't win the tournament. In comparison, Indian team is best team and want to play against big teams and they enjoy to play against big players and that's why they are real winners but in last World they lose the final due to bad luck . I think there are 90 percent chances of India to win the World cup. Australia is good team and and they are also favorite to win this World Cup. I think,luck matters a lot in the final of World Cup and that team will win which will play and luck will be in their favor.

Is Pakistan team decide to play with small teams?
Yes there are some mistakes in the team which should be resolved if they want to stand at prominent level in World Cup. But they are doing well.
Like we can take an example from the yesterday match. USA team is not a big team like others. But Pakistan was not able to defeat them. They made only 159 runs against them and USA tied the match and win the match in super over. You may see the performance of Muhammad Amir in Super over he bowled three wides and gave 18 runs in an over. Conclusion is that they have some mistakes which they should resolve and they don't decide to play with small teams only ICC decide about that.

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Quote from: Nanga Parbat on June 04, 2024, 12:14:12 PM

Pakistani team is full with low quality players. Nobody is performing like a player and they are not taking responsibility of their country. Country invested on them but they they wasted the country's money. Pakistani team will qualify the semi final but they have no capability to win the title. Because there is no partnership making players

it isn't like that mate. I mean every team have their good players and so for Pakistan team and these players already prove their ability. But i saw their performance in recent matches which is get decreased and nowadays their performance getting very poor, that's the problem. Pakistan cricket board is strong enough and if they focus on their players, guide them in better ways, then the team will be developed and will do well in upcoming matches. They still need to practice hard, need patient, need each others helping mentality to go ahead.

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Usually I criticized Pakistani team too much due to their poor performance and system as well but still I believe they can do better because they are having few natural talented players those can do stunning performance in any condition which is their trademark as well but in last few months we are having serious decline in quality with too many players which are not deserved to be in team are creating too many problems for them which is bringing worst results for them as well.
But still if we have some good performances in this event then surely we can have this team into last four with most chances they will be lost against India as they are doing much better and competitive.

Exactly Pakistani team has some good players. But Pakistan players have a big issue which is consistency. They don't have consistency. For example if they have two good players. They will play well in one Match and in the second match they will get out earlier. And due to this they lose the match easily. Means these natural need more practice to avail consistency.
If they will do that so I will say the Pakistani team will be the best team in the world.
By the way ICC T20I World Cup has been started and I hope Pakistani team will do their best.

There was a time when India played against Pakistan and of course there was excitement among the spectators and the game between the two teams was very competitive. But now when India against Pakistan. Played with, India easily won against Pakistan. It is only because of the inconsistent performance of Pakistan players that such incidents happen. Of course the Pakistan team lacks consistency in performance, they must make up for it by maintaining consistency in performance. The performance of the current Pakistan team is definitely very bad. Because at one time, every team in the world was very afraid of the performance of Pakistan's players, but now Pakistan's players still perform fairly well, but their performance lacks consistency. Pakistan team focus on the upcoming T20 World Cup, every player of their team must perform consistently so that they can perform well with the team and finish the T20 World Cup successfully.

Pakistani team is full with low quality players. Nobody is performing like a player and they are not taking responsibility of their country. Country invested on them but they they wasted the country's money. Pakistani team will qualify the semi final but they have no capability to win the title. Because there is no partnership making players. I saw Iftikhar in the match against England, he hitter good and then he hitted the ball when it was not necessary for the team. Pakistani most players are risk taking players and they hit sixes and they are not players of single double. I know T20 is fast cricket but for win , single double matters a lot . Pakistani team have to change the combination and the should change the mindset. They have a mindset of losers ,when they switch their mindset and they will make mind to win,then they will get any kind of title.

Not all the players in the Pakistan team are of poor quality but they are performing in such a way that people are forced to say so about them. If we see the previous games of Pakistan, they used to perform with every team with great power and win. Similarly in our Bangladesh cricket, Bangladesh cricket game is deteriorating as time goes by. Compared to the smaller countries who are performing very well in T20 World Cup, as the old cricket team, the quality of playing of both Pakistan and Bangladesh teams has gone towards degradation. Therefore, their players must perform responsibly so that their country's team can perform well. Mann can return home with honors from T20 World Cup. Pakistan's bowling line is always strong but they are not able to prove it due to their sloppy performance. Of course if we watch the first T20 World Cup performance against Pakistan then we will understand well how much Pakistan has improved in their game this T20 World Cup will prove. But I hope Pakistan will perform very well.

I think Pakistani team is not playing like a team . They should focus on your goal to win the World cup. Pakistani International cricket team is not weak team but it want to play matches against weak team and they want to be happy to win against small teams. But by playing against small teams , Pakistani team can't win the tournament. In comparison, Indian team is best team and want to play against big teams and they enjoy to play against big players and that's why they are real winners but in last World they lose the final due to bad luck . I think there are 90 percent chances of India to win the World cup. Australia is good team and and they are also favorite to win this World Cup. I think,luck matters a lot in the final of World Cup and that team will win which will play and luck will be in their favor.

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Quote from: Nanga Parbat on June 04, 2024, 12:14:12 PM

Quote from: synchronym on June 04, 2024, 09:05:20 AM

Quote from: Publictalk792 on June 03, 2024, 07:44:46 PM

Quote from: SATWAT on June 03, 2024, 06:04:44 PM

Usually I criticized Pakistani team too much due to their poor performance and system as well but still I believe they can do better because they are having few natural talented players those can do stunning performance in any condition which is their trademark as well but in last few months we are having serious decline in quality with too many players which are not deserved to be in team are creating too many problems for them which is bringing worst results for them as well.
But still if we have some good performances in this event then surely we can have this team into last four with most chances they will be lost against India as they are doing much better and competitive.

Exactly Pakistani team has some good players. But Pakistan players have a big issue which is consistency. They don't have consistency. For example if they have two good players. They will play well in one Match and in the second match they will get out earlier. And due to this they lose the match easily. Means these natural need more practice to avail consistency.
If they will do that so I will say the Pakistani team will be the best team in the world.
By the way ICC T20I World Cup has been started and I hope Pakistani team will do their best.

There was a time when India played against Pakistan and of course there was excitement among the spectators and the game between the two teams was very competitive. But now when India against Pakistan. Played with, India easily won against Pakistan. It is only because of the inconsistent performance of Pakistan players that such incidents happen. Of course the Pakistan team lacks consistency in performance, they must make up for it by maintaining consistency in performance. The performance of the current Pakistan team is definitely very bad. Because at one time, every team in the world was very afraid of the performance of Pakistan's players, but now Pakistan's players still perform fairly well, but their performance lacks consistency. Pakistan team focus on the upcoming T20 World Cup, every player of their team must perform consistently so that they can perform well with the team and finish the T20 World Cup successfully.

Pakistani team is full with low quality players. Nobody is performing like a player and they are not taking responsibility of their country. Country invested on them but they they wasted the country's money. Pakistani team will qualify the semi final but they have no capability to win the title. Because there is no partnership making players. I saw Iftikhar in the match against England, he hitter good and then he hitted the ball when it was not necessary for the team. Pakistani most players are risk taking players and they hit sixes and they are not players of single double. I know T20 is fast cricket but for win , single double matters a lot . Pakistani team have to change the combination and the should change the mindset. They have a mindset of losers ,when they switch their mindset and they will make mind to win,then they will get any kind of title.

Not all the players in the Pakistan team are of poor quality but they are performing in such a way that people are forced to say so about them. If we see the previous games of Pakistan, they used to perform with every team with great power and win. Similarly in our Bangladesh cricket, Bangladesh cricket game is deteriorating as time goes by. Compared to the smaller countries who are performing very well in T20 World Cup, as the old cricket team, the quality of playing of both Pakistan and Bangladesh teams has gone towards degradation. Therefore, their players must perform responsibly so that their country's team can perform well. Mann can return home with honors from T20 World Cup. Pakistan's bowling line is always strong but they are not able to prove it due to their sloppy performance. Of course if we watch the first T20 World Cup performance against Pakistan then we will understand well how much Pakistan has improved in their game this T20 World Cup will prove. But I hope Pakistan will perform very well.

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You are right because the way the Pakistan women's team is performing will really make thousands of their cricket fans angry with them. Especially Pakistan women team lost the series due to their poor batting against West Indies and continued to perform very poorly against England. Especially Pakistan's bowling line is quite good if they work a little hard on batting and get a good training there is definitely a possibility to improve Pakistan women's team in future. So the Pakistan Cricket Board should train the Pakistan Women's team through a good course if they participate in the game like this so that they don't become a laughing stock to the world.

There is no guarantee that Pakistan women team will play well after training through good courses. Pakistan women team should see their team players are not performing well for any reason, what is their problem?They need to fix the problem urgently or they will continue to play poorly in one match after another as they have done in the two series. We have seen the Pakistan Women's team lose their home T20I and ODI series against the West Indies. Similarly, they lost the T20I series and the ODI series against England Women due to poor performances and lost the series pair. For the development of Pakistani women, domestic leagues should be organized in their country to give them adequate opportunities to improve themselves.

There are no opportunities in Pakistan for women to play and perform well. There is not better domestic cricket in Pakistan. Pakistani Women cricket team could be polish if PCB take notice on that. Otherwise, there will be more failure and that is dangerous for Pakistan because Pakistan is paying very high income to them . And at the end ,they are playing bad . I think Pakistani Women team should take break and Pakistan should work on domestic cricket. Otherwise there is no space for Pakistani Women cricket team.In domestic cricket ,when they will play,they will get confidence and we will get healthy competition.

Pakistani women cricketers need to work hard and practice more and more to improve. They have failed in the two series and should forget that failure and prepare more series with confidence so that they can play well there. Pakistan women's team may have low quality players who need to take charge of their country's cricket board to improve. If the Pakistan Women's Cricket Board is able to develop the players well then they will be able to develop themselves as confident and good players.

Pakistan women's two series failure I noticed no player in their team is consistent. Had they performed consistently, they might not have lost the two series so badly.Losing the series isn't a headache but the fact that they didn't win a game is more of a concern.

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