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Quote from: Ricardo11 on October 22, 2023, 08:13:00 AM

In the India vs New Zealand match, New Zealand set India a big target of 274. It is a fairly good target, but India is a very strong team, they perform very well in batting. Rohit Sharma is very good player he is performing very well. If India plays at their best, they will surely win this match.

What a great bowling performance by Indian bowlers in the first innings. Muhammad Shami is the player of the first innings, he did a great and to a plan, bowling.

The Indian batting has just started and Rohit Sharma looking on fire and he is on 19 runs within no time. Anyway, if we talk about the bowling of India so Jasprit Bumrah took one wicket and Muhammad Siraj also took one wicket, and in spinners, Kuldeep Yadav took 2 wickets and Ravindra Jadeja took no wickets, the people of India are very hopeful with Ravindra Jadeja but Muhammad Shami complete this hope, he took 5 wickets of very big players of NZ, if they were not out, they would have been harmful for Indian bowlers but Muhammad Shami bowled them cheaply. Now, let’s see what happens in the 2nd innings.

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In the India vs New Zealand match, New Zealand set India a big target of 274. It is a fairly good target, but India is a very strong team, they perform very well in batting. Rohit Sharma is very good player he is performing very well. If India plays at their best, they will surely win this match.

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Quote from: MusaPk on October 22, 2023, 05:46:54 AM

New Zealand were 19/1 after 9 overs and right now they are 145/2 in 30 overs. This is good improvement, they are now going with almost 5 RPO. The 128 runs partnership between Rachin Ravindra and Daryl Mitchell has brought back NZ into the game.
Can someone tell whats the average first innings total at Dharamsala? I think NZ are going quite good as they are not giving away there wickets to Indian bowlers.

The first innings were finished and the New Zealand team made average runs for India to chase, otherwise, the score was good but not for India because India can chase 300 easily and today’ India needs to chase just 273 runs, which I know that India can very easily chase this target with the sort of batting that got.

Daryl Mitchell hit a century but Muhammad Shami get rid of this player, and after the wicket of Daryl Mitchell, the innings went to an end. Jasprit Bumrah and Muhammad Siraj both took just 1 wicket, Muhammad Shami is the main character in this innings, he took 5 wickets alone. In this inning, we saw the wonderful bowling by Muhammad Shami.

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Good comeback by the Indian team as in the last 6 overs they took 6 wickets and gave only 30 runs. Rachin Ravindra's catch drop cost the Indian side 75 runs, and Mitchel played an extraordinary knock of 130 runs. These two combined scored 159 runs, almost all of the runs that New Zealand scored, and gave a target to India. Shami got the opportunity to be part of playing 11 and he proved he was worth it, second time he took 5 wickets. Rohit did his best as a captain to restrict New Zealand to give a target below 300 runs.

Indian batters need to chase 274 runs to win today, not an easy job at Dharmshala. Rohit and Shubhman need to give India a good start and I hope SKY does what he is known to do. This game looks like will not be an easy game for the Indian batters to chase as the New Zealand bowlers are good with the new ball and their fielding is the best in this tournament.

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Can we see a nail-biter? I think today is the day. Both teams are in red-hot form and unbeaten in this World Cup. India is the favourite to win the match, but NZ has always surprised them at crucial moments in the past. Can they do it in today's match is yet to be seen. Opening bowling spells from both sides will be of particular importance because of the swing. Boult's inswing vs Sharma's new approach to deal with it will be an interesting contest.

New Zealand has 2 gone on 74 hours in 18 overs with a run rate of 4.11 which is low at this point. Rachin Ravindra and Daryl Mitchell are at the crease now with having some runs on the board as their openers today didn't provide a good start to Team New Zealand. We have seen some good cricket from New Zealand as in their all previous matches they have won but today we want to see some extra pace from their bowlers. Both sides are amazing but we should wait for a better time to put these on the right way.

Things are going well for India till now and they are going well as Mohammad Siraj and Mohammad Shami took one wicket each without considering too many runs. Kuldeep Yadav gave too many runs, he gave 29 runs in just 2.1 overs with an economy of 12.00. Although both the teams are confident to play some best shots.

Right this moment, just 8 overs are for batting and New Zealand team start this match by first batting to the call of India team. New Zealand team make 230 score which is not sufficient for indian batters because they defended 274 score target easily and almost 15 overs were also left for playing. If New Zealand will give 270 to 300 score target so their bowling inning should be high level because Indian batters in this tournament is in full form and they beat all teams in old matches. if new Zealand want to win today match they they will take some important wickets like Rohit Sharma, Virat Kohli, Shubman Gill and KL Rahul then they will definitely in this match from India team.

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Quote from: MusaPk on October 22, 2023, 05:46:54 AM

New Zealand were 19/1 after 9 overs and right now they are 145/2 in 30 overs. This is good improvement, they are now going with almost 5 RPO. The 128 runs partnership between Rachin Ravindra and Daryl Mitchell has brought back NZ into the game.
Can someone tell whats the average first innings total at Dharamsala? I think NZ are going quite good as they are not giving away there wickets to Indian bowlers.

India won the toss and decided to bowl first that a good decision in Dharamshala. The Current score of NewZealand is 241 runs in loss of 4 wickets in 43.4 overs. Daryl Mitchell amazing batting performances scored hundred 103 runs unbeaten in just 109 balls and Phillips is playing at 23 runs not out in 24 balls. Ravindra is batting amazingly scored 75 runs in 87 balls and unfortunately miss his well deserved century by just 25 runs. India bowling performance is outstanding especially Muhammad shami who picked up 2 important wicktes by giving 42 runs in 8 Overs and Kuldeep Yadav also picked 2 wickets. NewZealand will go to cross 300 runs totals on board for India.

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Jesus! Dharamsala cricket stadium is easily one of the best looking stadiums in the world thanks to its amazing views which you cannot find in metropolitan cities. I keep forgetting about the match and just stare at those mountains now and then.

Quote from: JSRAW on October 22, 2023, 02:44:38 AM

IMO it's 49-51 in favor of NZ because they have a physiological advantage over India and an equally strong team.

I feel it's 60:40 in favor of India though since this is an Indian pitch and New Zealand don't look like they will be posting a very competitive total.

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Quote from: jasonjm on October 22, 2023, 02:34:36 AM

Can we see a nail-biter? I think today is the day. Both teams are in red-hot form and unbeaten in this World Cup. India is the favourite to win the match, but NZ has always surprised them at crucial moments in the past. Can they do it in today's match is yet to be seen. Opening bowling spells from both sides will be of particular importance because of the swing. Boult's inswing vs Sharma's new approach to deal with it will be an interesting contest.

Absolutely, today's match is shaping up to be a real thriller! Both India and New Zealand have shown exceptional form in this World Cup, making it difficult to predict the outcome. While India may be the favourite on paper, New Zealand's knack for pulling off surprises in crucial moments cannot be overlooked. I agree, the opening bowling spells will be crucial, especially considering the swing. The face-off between Boult's inswing and Sharma's new approach is definitely one to watch out for. Let's hope for a fantastic game of cricket!

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New Zealand were 19/1 after 9 overs and right now they are 145/2 in 30 overs. This is good improvement, they are now going with almost 5 RPO. The 128 runs partnership between Rachin Ravindra and Daryl Mitchell has brought back NZ into the game.
Can someone tell whats the average first innings total at Dharamsala? I think NZ are going quite good as they are not giving away there wickets to Indian bowlers.

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Quote from: jasonjm on October 22, 2023, 02:34:36 AM

Can we see a nail-biter? I think today is the day. Both teams are in red-hot form and unbeaten in this World Cup. India is the favourite to win the match, but NZ has always surprised them at crucial moments in the past. Can they do it in today's match is yet to be seen. Opening bowling spells from both sides will be of particular importance because of the swing. Boult's inswing vs Sharma's new approach to deal with it will be an interesting contest.

New Zealand has 2 gone on 74 hours in 18 overs with a run rate of 4.11 which is low at this point. Rachin Ravindra and Daryl Mitchell are at the crease now with having some runs on the board as their openers today didn't provide a good start to Team New Zealand. We have seen some good cricket from New Zealand as in their all previous matches they have won but today we want to see some extra pace from their bowlers. Both sides are amazing but we should wait for a better time to put these on the right way.

Things are going well for India till now and they are going well as Mohammad Siraj and Mohammad Shami took one wicket each without considering too many runs. Kuldeep Yadav gave too many runs, he gave 29 runs in just 2.1 overs with an economy of 12.00. Although both the teams are confident to play some best shots.

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Quote from: noormcs5 on October 21, 2023, 11:43:43 PM

I just wanted to see if the bookies still favour the Indian team too for today's match and yes, they are supporting India to win.

No matter what, these guys always overhype India, despite knowing the fact that India won its last ODI WC against New Zealand way back in 2003, 2 good decades India failed to beat kiwis but still bookies running them as favorites.

IMO it's 49-51 in favor of NZ because they have a physiological advantage over India and an equally strong team.

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Can we see a nail-biter? I think today is the day. Both teams are in red-hot form and unbeaten in this World Cup. India is the favourite to win the match, but NZ has always surprised them at crucial moments in the past. Can they do it in today's match is yet to be seen. Opening bowling spells from both sides will be of particular importance because of the swing. Boult's inswing vs Sharma's new approach to deal with it will be an interesting contest.

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There will be a challenging cricket match between India and New Zealand as both the teams are at the top of the table New Zealand won their 4 out of 4 matches in this world cup and also India has won their 4 matches and had already played 4. But due to a high run rate New Zealand is in 1st position of the points table while India is in 2nd position.

Both have a strong batting lineup and they have also some best bowlers, but comparing these two New Zealand has better bowlers than India as they have Trent Boult as their opening pacer who bowls well during the powerplay overs. As India has Jasprit Bumrah who also bowls well. Comparing them head to head in One Day International games they played 62 ODI Matches with India has got victory in 22 matches and New Zealand has got victory in 13 matches while the remaining 27 matches they played were drawn. Looking at this India will be the favorite for tomorrow's match.

To be honest it is not easy to decide who will win this important match between the two top teams. Both teams have some special players who on a day can win the match single handedly. It's just that batsmen and bowlers will show a better play on a given day.

I just wanted to see if the bookies still favour the Indian team too for today's match and yes, they are supporting India to win.

It is not possible to make any predictions about New Zealand and India in this World Cup because India and New Zealand have not lost any match so far. However, India have played a total of four matches opting to bat in each match where their top batsmen have finished the game unbeaten. India defeated Australia by 6 wickets, Afghanistan by 8 wickets, Pakistan and Bangladesh by 7 wickets. If you can bat in the second innings in today's match, what are the chances of winning against New Zealand?

In that case, you can wait and bet after the toss. If toss has an advantage in the game, the gambling sites will give you different odds of the teams after the toss.

Also in such close matches like India and New Zealand where it is difficult to pick one team, it is better not to bet at the start of the match. Let the match begin and then when you see one team having an edge over the other team, you can bet on that team. You may not get good odds at that moment, but still, you will have more probabilities & chances of winning the bet.

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Quote from: BitcoinsGreat on October 21, 2023, 10:44:27 PM

The result of the match of England vs South Africa was not good for England, because they were all out with 170 scores and they lost the match with a very bad run rate, and now England's team again come on bottom in the point table.

De Cock lost his wicket early and England make happy but the other opener Reeza Hendricks hit too many scores and Ben Stoke also don’t perform well in this match. He is playing after injury but they forgive their form. I hope that Ben Stokes will perform in future matches. The England team didn’t play well after winning the World Cup of 2022.

After this loss, England journey in WC 2023 is almost over. On points table England are at number 9th spot with just one win in 4 of there matches. England have only won a game against Bangladesh while they have lost to comparatively weak team aka Afghanistan.
Credit to Mark Wood and Gus Atkinson for scoring runs towards the end of yesterday game that saved England from a humiliating defeat..

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Quote from: noormcs5 on October 21, 2023, 11:43:43 PM

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There will be a challenging cricket match between India and New Zealand as both the teams are at the top of the table New Zealand won their 4 out of 4 matches in this world cup and also India has won their 4 matches and had already played 4. But due to a high run rate New Zealand is in 1st position of the points table while India is in 2nd position.

Both have a strong batting lineup and they have also some best bowlers, but comparing these two New Zealand has better bowlers than India as they have Trent Boult as their opening pacer who bowls well during the powerplay overs. As India has Jasprit Bumrah who also bowls well. Comparing them head to head in One Day International games they played 62 ODI Matches with India has got victory in 22 matches and New Zealand has got victory in 13 matches while the remaining 27 matches they played were drawn. Looking at this India will be the favorite for tomorrow's match.

To be honest it is not easy to decide who will win this important match between the two top teams. Both teams have some special players who on a day can win the match single handedly. It's just that batsmen and bowlers will show a better play on a given day.

I just wanted to see if the bookies still favour the Indian team too for today's match and yes, they are supporting India to win.

It is not possible to make any predictions about New Zealand and India in this World Cup because India and New Zealand have not lost any match so far. However, India have played a total of four matches opting to bat in each match where their top batsmen have finished the game unbeaten. India defeated Australia by 6 wickets, Afghanistan by 8 wickets, Pakistan and Bangladesh by 7 wickets. If you can bat in the second innings in today's match, what are the chances of winning against New Zealand?

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Quote from: TakeItEasy on October 21, 2023, 04:25:20 PM

There will be a challenging cricket match between India and New Zealand as both the teams are at the top of the table New Zealand won their 4 out of 4 matches in this world cup and also India has won their 4 matches and had already played 4. But due to a high run rate New Zealand is in 1st position of the points table while India is in 2nd position.

Both have a strong batting lineup and they have also some best bowlers, but comparing these two New Zealand has better bowlers than India as they have Trent Boult as their opening pacer who bowls well during the powerplay overs. As India has Jasprit Bumrah who also bowls well. Comparing them head to head in One Day International games they played 62 ODI Matches with India has got victory in 22 matches and New Zealand has got victory in 13 matches while the remaining 27 matches they played were drawn. Looking at this India will be the favorite for tomorrow's match.

To be honest it is not easy to decide who will win this important match between the two top teams. Both teams have some special players who on a day can win the match single handedly. It's just that batsmen and bowlers will show a better play on a given day.

I just wanted to see if the bookies still favour the Indian team too for today's match and yes, they are supporting India to win.

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The result of the match of England vs South Africa was not good for England, because they were all out with 170 scores and they lost the match with a very bad run rate, and now England's team again come on bottom in the point table.

De Cock lost his wicket early and England make happy but the other opener Reeza Hendricks hit too many scores and Ben Stoke also don’t perform well in this match. He is playing after injury but they forgive their form. I hope that Ben Stokes will perform in future matches. The England team didn’t play well after winning the World Cup of 2022.

In the World Cup, a total of 10 teams have qualified to play in the main stage, where each team will play one match against each team, so a team will get a chance to play a total of nine matches, and the four teams with the highest points at the end of nine matches will play in the semi-finals. England have played 4 out of 9 matches out of which they have lost three matches badly so their run rate is in a very bad state. India and New Zealand are far ahead of the other teams in the fight for the semi-final.If we consider them as semi-finalists, South Africa and Australia may come to the fore as the other teams are not doing well even though Australia beat Pakistan by a huge margin in the last match. England need to win a minimum of four out of the last five matches to qualify for the semi-finals, which is tough for them as they have tough opponents left.

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229 Runs!!!
Such a huge margin would have been fine for any other team but England fans will never accept the huge margin of 229 runs for former champions England. The pitch on which South Africa batted to give a target of 400 runs while on the same pitch England lost 7 wickets for 84 runs. In the end, if Mark wood 43 and G Atkinson 35 runs, then England could not take 170 runs. Then the remaining seven England batsmen failed in a way that England fans will never accept. In the position England are in now, all their chances in this World Cup are almost gone. To qualify, one must win every last match, which is impossible.

What England did against South Africa was pathetic and ridiculous. Former World Cup winners England who won the World Cup in 2019 by defeating New Zealand came to India with one of the strongest squads but back-to-back defeats ended their World Cup dreams. Maybe yesterday against South Africa they came out with three changes or four changes but they didn't help. It was a humiliating defeat for England against South Africa. The faces of the players as they made their way to the pavilion one by one were unreadable, the reactions on their faces seemed to indicate that they were very depressed about the match.

Many may say if South Africa can score 400 runs then why England can't. Batting with a target of 400 runs in the second innings is not easy at all. You have to try to get runs regardless of the good ball or the bad ball and that's what England have done which has resulted in them losing wickets so quickly.

The result of the match of England vs South Africa was not good for England, because they were all out with 170 scores and they lost the match with a very bad run rate, and now England's team again come on bottom in the point table.

De Cock lost his wicket early and England make happy but the other opener Reeza Hendricks hit too many scores and Ben Stoke also don’t perform well in this match. He is playing after injury but they forgive their form. I hope that Ben Stokes will perform in future matches. The England team didn’t play well after winning the World Cup of 2022.

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OMG,,, I am really surprised by the performance of South Africa today. I couldn't have imagined that a strong team like England would lose to South Africa by a huge margin of 229 runs. England is currently having the worst performance in ICC World Cup 2023 and their batting and bowling performance is very poor. For which they were all out in 22 overs in today's match by collecting 170 runs, where South Africa had given a target of 400 runs. Basically the current South Africa team is in the best form we have seen them perform well in every match. Moreover, South Africa has been placed in a good position in the points table. I had predicted today that South Africa might not make the match against England, but everything turned negative. South Africa batsmen batted brilliantly and put up a huge score, putting England under pressure and losing by a huge margin. No one expected this 2019 World Cup winning England team to perform so badly in 2023, but I hope they can improve their performance in the next match in England.

400 runs target is very difficult for any team to win which is unbelievable. England batting with a target of so many runs will definitely lose, but I never imagined that a strong team like England would lose by such a margin. The first powerplay fell 4 wickets, putting England under a lot of pressure. England finally managed to bat till 22 overs and were bowled out for 170 runs. South Africa is surprising everyone with a big score. We have been impressed with both South Africa's batting and bowling. Won by 229 runs by a huge margin. I think South Africa can play the semi-final very easily this time.

Had the target been between 340-350 I would have thought England had a chance to win. A target of 400 runs is almost impossible to win. I don't think this is possible unless a miracle happens. England batted against a big target of 400 runs. England's players were under a lot of pressure from the beginning of the innings. And I think England's batting disaster is due to being under too much pressure. I thought even if the England team lost they would still be able to score more than 300. But England's innings stopped at just 170 runs. England were defeated by 229 runs. This is probably the biggest margin of defeat in World Cup history.

229 Runs!!!
Such a huge margin would have been fine for any other team but England fans will never accept the huge margin of 229 runs for former champions England. The pitch on which South Africa batted to give a target of 400 runs while on the same pitch England lost 7 wickets for 84 runs. In the end, if Mark wood 43 and G Atkinson 35 runs, then England could not take 170 runs. Then the remaining seven England batsmen failed in a way that England fans will never accept. In the position England are in now, all their chances in this World Cup are almost gone. To qualify, one must win every last match, which is impossible.

Wankhede Stadium in Mumbai is not very batting friendly. The first innings average of this pitch is 239 runs. The South African batsmen played brilliantly. Their performance especially in the last 10 overs was impressive.
The New Zealand team won by chasing maximum runs on this pitch. New Zealand won by batting against a target of 285 runs given by India. South Africa has the highest collection of this pitch. They scored 438 runs against India and South Africa won the match by 214 runs. From these statistics it is easy to understand that batting in the second innings is very difficult on this pitch. So when South Africa set a target of 400 runs, I was sure that South Africa would win by a big margin today. But I don't imagine it will win by a huge margin of 229 runs. My prediction was that South Africa will win by 100-150.

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229 Runs!!!
Such a huge margin would have been fine for any other team but England fans will never accept the huge margin of 229 runs for former champions England. The pitch on which South Africa batted to give a target of 400 runs while on the same pitch England lost 7 wickets for 84 runs. In the end, if Mark wood 43 and G Atkinson 35 runs, then England could not take 170 runs. Then the remaining seven England batsmen failed in a way that England fans will never accept. In the position England are in now, all their chances in this World Cup are almost gone. To qualify, one must win every last match, which is impossible.

What England did against South Africa was pathetic and ridiculous. Former World Cup winners England who won the World Cup in 2019 by defeating New Zealand came to India with one of the strongest squads but back-to-back defeats ended their World Cup dreams. Maybe yesterday against South Africa they came out with three changes or four changes but they didn't help. It was a humiliating defeat for England against South Africa. The faces of the players as they made their way to the pavilion one by one were unreadable, the reactions on their faces seemed to indicate that they were very depressed about the match.

Many may say if South Africa can score 400 runs then why England can't. Batting with a target of 400 runs in the second innings is not easy at all. You have to try to get runs regardless of the good ball or the bad ball and that's what England have done which has resulted in them losing wickets so quickly.

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