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So you mean to say that this final was fixed and that the Srilanka team will get all out within 50 runs? This was not about the Srilanka losing the match but to lose it in a way that no one could predicted.

Think about the bookies who offered odds that the Srilanka will score 100+ runs and almost everyone would bet on it. Now, with this Srilanka match fixing and getting all out at 50, means all that money lost by the people and the real beneficiaries are the bookies who knew the inside news and of course the Srilanka players too for making this happen.

Pakistan has a reputation for fixing the game. If you do not trust me then do a Google search to find an answer. These are only stupid accusations as the Pakistan team got defeated, but your media backed by your army has been feeding you. The cricket team that you fantasize about so much is now disseminated. The reason is simple Afridi after getting hooked up with another Afridi feels he is good. Another stupid in the making as per my understanding family nepo culture destroyed your country. You guys are the best in destroying yourself Grin

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Quote from: onecall123 on September 19, 2023, 09:14:59 AM

Exactly! Before the Asia Cup, Pakistan had a solid team, but something changed after the tournament. It seems like they're relying heavily on Naseem and Haris. They're not available now, and this shows the result of not resting their main players. The busy schedule, with them playing continuously before a big event, might be why Pakistan is struggling. Anyway Pakistan team has always been unpredictable, and they might bounce back even from this tough situation. There's hope that they'll perform much better in the World Cup.

Pitches in India (where the world cup will take place) are likely to offer zero support for pace bowlers. Under these circumstances, if both Naseem and Haris are unfit, then I suspect that it is going to be difficult for Pakistan. What they should do is to give enough opportunity for their second line pacers, so that they are ready ahead of the tournament. Anyway, I would not consider them as one of the favorites to win the world cup now. Apart from their pacers, the batsmen are also not in great form. Last few matches have been a disaster for the Pakistani batsmen.

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Quote from: WatChe on September 19, 2023, 05:24:03 AM

I don't think it's a huge blow as there are few other bowlers who can replace Naseem Shah. If you see Pakistan performance in the Asia Cup then its very much clear that they are not fully prepared for coming ODI WC. Babar Azam was completely clueless in this tournament both as a batsman and as a captain. With such preparation you cant win world cup while India looks more focused and prepared for the upcoming WC. This WC will also tell whether viewers have any interest left in ODI WC.

Not sure whether Pakistan is lacking on the pace-bowling department. If Naseem is not available, then others like Mohammad Hasnain and Shahnawaz Dahani can step in. Afterall, Pakistan is known as the pace-battery in Asia. Obviously Naseem was in good recent form, and the same can't be said about the bowlers who are going to replace him. Anyway, I just hope that Naseem and Haris will be ready by the time of ODI World Cup. A month back, I was considering as one of the favorites to win the world cup. But a lot has changed during the last few weeks.

Exactly! Before the Asia Cup, Pakistan had a solid team, but something changed after the tournament. It seems like they're relying heavily on Naseem and Haris. They're not available now, and this shows the result of not resting their main players. The busy schedule, with them playing continuously before a big event, might be why Pakistan is struggling. Anyway Pakistan team has always been unpredictable, and they might bounce back even from this tough situation. There's hope that they'll perform much better in the World Cup.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on September 19, 2023, 08:16:37 AM

Not sure whether Pakistan is lacking on the pace-bowling department. If Naseem is not available, then others like Mohammad Hasnain and Shahnawaz Dahani can step in. Afterall, Pakistan is known as the pace-battery in Asia. Obviously Naseem was in good recent form, and the same can't be said about the bowlers who are going to replace him. Anyway, I just hope that Naseem and Haris will be ready by the time of ODI World Cup. A month back, I was considering as one of the favorites to win the world cup. But a lot has changed during the last few weeks.

Of course, they will miss Naseem Shah and Haris Rouf. Other pace bowlers you mentioned are not better compared to how well Naseem Shah and Haris were doing. I guess almost everyone does not know fact that Pacers have a limitation in their bowling capabilities. They can bowl more than their capacity but it will increase the chance of their injury. Which is what happened in Pakistani Pacers case. They did not rotate the bowlers well and they keep used their main gun for every match. Even Bangladesh pace bowling coach rotated his bowlers even against India. They gave a rest to Shoriful and Taskin ahmed because the coach knows he already bowled a lot in this week. A Pace bowler should not bowl more than 160 balls per week. At least that's what some monitoring software suggest that is used by many coaches. But, I don't think Pakistani coaches use such technology to track their bowlers working load.

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Quote from: WatChe on September 19, 2023, 05:24:03 AM

I don't think it's a huge blow as there are few other bowlers who can replace Naseem Shah. If you see Pakistan performance in the Asia Cup then its very much clear that they are not fully prepared for coming ODI WC. Babar Azam was completely clueless in this tournament both as a batsman and as a captain. With such preparation you cant win world cup while India looks more focused and prepared for the upcoming WC. This WC will also tell whether viewers have any interest left in ODI WC.

Not sure whether Pakistan is lacking on the pace-bowling department. If Naseem is not available, then others like Mohammad Hasnain and Shahnawaz Dahani can step in. Afterall, Pakistan is known as the pace-battery in Asia. Obviously Naseem was in good recent form, and the same can't be said about the bowlers who are going to replace him. Anyway, I just hope that Naseem and Haris will be ready by the time of ODI World Cup. A month back, I was considering as one of the favorites to win the world cup. But a lot has changed during the last few weeks.

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Quote from: Bureau on September 19, 2023, 06:07:10 AM

This injury is big problem for Pakistan, then there have been reports of internal conflict. That would again hamper the performance of Pakistani players.

Pakistan team is in a bad state right now. Injuries to major players like Naseem Shah etc are bad, but what's worse is reports of senior players like Azam and Shaheen quarreling after their elimination as you mentioned.

Shahid Afridi is trying to help the team trust Babar properly, but things are not looking good for them since the ODI World Cup is just a few days away.

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@Dimitri94 Pakistan have suffered a huge blow as Naseem is out injured and he won’t be available for the World Cup and now it’s important that none of their other bowler’s get injured otherwise they’ll have a weak bowling lineup heading into the tournament. Lastly when it comes to their batting they definitely don’t have any consistency but their batsmen have lot’s of talent and if they just stick to the basics then they can definitely score big or chase a target easily.

I don't think it's a huge blow as there are few other bowlers who can replace Naseem Shah. If you see Pakistan performance in the Asia Cup then its very much clear that they are not fully prepared for coming ODI WC. Babar Azam was completely clueless in this tournament both as a batsman and as a captain. With such preparation you cant win world cup while India looks more focused and prepared for the upcoming WC. This WC will also tell whether viewers have any interest left in ODI WC.

Naseem Shah was the only bowler who played well in the Asia Cup. Ofcourse Afridi cannot be forgotten but was not that good. Who will now be bowling from the other end? Rauf doesn't bowl with the new ball. They would need a good bowler who should be able to bowl like Naseem Shah. Zaman Khan was not that good against Srilanka, condition would be the same for the world cup too. I don't think he would be effective enough. This injury is big problem for Pakistan, then there have been reports of internal conflict. That would again hamper the performance of Pakistani players.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on September 19, 2023, 01:28:33 AM

@Dimitri94 Pakistan have suffered a huge blow as Naseem is out injured and he won’t be available for the World Cup and now it’s important that none of their other bowler’s get injured otherwise they’ll have a weak bowling lineup heading into the tournament. Lastly when it comes to their batting they definitely don’t have any consistency but their batsmen have lot’s of talent and if they just stick to the basics then they can definitely score big or chase a target easily.

I don't think it's a huge blow as there are few other bowlers who can replace Naseem Shah. If you see Pakistan performance in the Asia Cup then its very much clear that they are not fully prepared for coming ODI WC. Babar Azam was completely clueless in this tournament both as a batsman and as a captain. With such preparation you cant win world cup while India looks more focused and prepared for the upcoming WC. This WC will also tell whether viewers have any interest left in ODI WC.

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Quote from: MusaPk on September 18, 2023, 11:47:22 AM

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I would consider it only as bad news for the Pakistan team. Just before the start of the world cup, they lost of one their major fast bowler., Naseem Shah as he is injured.

Although we know about Muhammad Amir as he is also a good bowler however i do not know if he is in the form or not. I haven't seen him play for the Pakistan team for a long time. Yes, he has got the pace and he is sort of a furious bowler like Shoaib Akhtar, but I do not know if he could be successful on the pitches of India.

Muhammad Amir career from Pakistan is very much over, currently he has got UK residency and is settled there. There are few options to replace Naseem Shah like Muhammad Hasnain, Hassan Ali and Shahnawaz. I think Muhammad Hasnain is a good option as he has got pace and can be effective on Indian pitches.

So what is the official news then? Will Muhammad Amir represent Pakistan in this World Cup or will the PCB will look for other options?
No matter who they play with, Naseem Shah and Shaheen Afridi bowling was one of the best fast bowling attack but now I guess Afridi has to find a suitable partner who can keep the pressure at the other end.

Quote from: Shumyl on September 19, 2023, 12:32:34 AM

He said that I don’t need this money. I will give all the money to the workers who made the tournament. If there is no gain then this tournament would not have happened and this money is too little for me but this money is too much for them so I will donate this money to them.

This is a very good gesture by Muhammad Siraj. Only a few people think for others and this initiative may compel more crickets to donate their money to the ones (grounds men etc) who work day and night to make ground arrangements for all these matches to take place.

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India won the Asia Cup very easily against Sri Lanka. What a bowling of India. Muhammad Siraj took 6 wickets and he took 4 wickets in a single over. If you search on Google, which cricket team is known as the land batsman so Google tells you India butt in this match India is known as the land of bowlers.

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We should wait for the complete news from the Pakistan cricket board,the most of the bowlers will be used in the World Cup.Becasue the bowling of Pakistan was enough for the Pakistan to get the Cup.The bowling is the important part of the cricket,any can make runs.But taking the wicket will change the entire things in the cricket.The quality of the bowling was in good standard in both the Women and Men team of Pakistan.So both men and women team will target for the cup this time.

Pakistan pace attack is strong with Haris Rauf and Shaheen but there is lack of quality spin bowling. There is no genuine spinner in Pakistani bowling lineup. Moreover there is lack of consistency in Pakistani batting lineup. We saw Babar Azam unable to perform in Asia Cup. Pakistan need to improve spin department and they need there batsmen to perform under pressure.

Pakistan needs to improve every unit. With batting it have got good order, same with bowling. For some reason the team feels down and I'm not sure whether it is due to internal issues within the team or something else. During the match against India, they're at their best but failed initially and the same costs them big. If someone isn't successful, there needs to be player to fulfill the need standing wickets. Hope the World Cup will be a big place to prove their ability to the world.

The performance of Pakistan's bowlers or batsmen both are unstable due to which they lose in any tournament. In the third match of the Asia Cup group stage there was no room for negative criticism about the bowling performance. There, Shaheen Afridi, Naseem Shah, Haris Rauf each got wickets. But that was not continued in the next match. In the Super Four, Pakistan bowlers failed completely against India. Shaheen Afridi got only one wicket but Naseem Shah, Haris Rauf did not get any wickets in the entire innings. The team had to loss the match against India by 228 runs. According to the current condition, players need to change but since the World Cup is around the corner, there is no scope for the Pakistan team.

@Dimitri94 Pakistan have suffered a huge blow as Naseem is out injured and he won’t be available for the World Cup and now it’s important that none of their other bowler’s get injured otherwise they’ll have a weak bowling lineup heading into the tournament. Lastly when it comes to their batting they definitely don’t have any consistency but their batsmen have lot’s of talent and if they just stick to the basics then they can definitely score big or chase a target easily.

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We should wait for the complete news from the Pakistan cricket board,the most of the bowlers will be used in the World Cup.Becasue the bowling of Pakistan was enough for the Pakistan to get the Cup.The bowling is the important part of the cricket,any can make runs.But taking the wicket will change the entire things in the cricket.The quality of the bowling was in good standard in both the Women and Men team of Pakistan.So both men and women team will target for the cup this time.

Pakistan pace attack is strong with Haris Rauf and Shaheen but there is lack of quality spin bowling. There is no genuine spinner in Pakistani bowling lineup. Moreover there is lack of consistency in Pakistani batting lineup. We saw Babar Azam unable to perform in Asia Cup. Pakistan need to improve spin department and they need there batsmen to perform under pressure.

Pakistan needs to improve every unit. With batting it have got good order, same with bowling. For some reason the team feels down and I'm not sure whether it is due to internal issues within the team or something else. During the match against India, they're at their best but failed initially and the same costs them big. If someone isn't successful, there needs to be player to fulfill the need standing wickets. Hope the World Cup will be a big place to prove their ability to the world.

The performance of Pakistan's bowlers or batsmen both are unstable due to which they lose in any tournament. In the third match of the Asia Cup group stage there was no room for negative criticism about the bowling performance. There, Shaheen Afridi, Naseem Shah, Haris Rauf each got wickets. But that was not continued in the next match. In the Super Four, Pakistan bowlers failed completely against India. Shaheen Afridi got only one wicket but Naseem Shah, Haris Rauf did not get any wickets in the entire innings. The team had to loss the match against India by 228 runs. According to the current condition, players need to change but since the World Cup is around the corner, there is no scope for the Pakistan team.

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India won this Asia Cup 2023 and the player of the match is Muhammad Siraj. The best thing about the match was when Muhammad Siraj won the award and 50,000$ because of being the player of the match.

He said that I don’t need this money. I will give all the money to the workers who made the tournament. If there is no gain then this tournament would not have happened and this money is too little for me but this money is too much for them so I will donate this money to them.

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Quote from: laurenB7742 on September 18, 2023, 01:20:57 PM

Naseem Shah is a very important bowler in the Pakistan squad. And he was in very good form. I think it is very unfortunate for the Pakistan squad not to have such an important bowler in the World Cup. But I don't agree with you that Pakistan can't perform well in Asia Cup so they won't do well in World Cup. There is no doubt that the Pakistan squad is strong enough. They have a lot of talented batsmen and bowlers in their squad. But the problem is that the performance of Pakistan's batsmen is very erratic. If the performance of the batsmen is consistent then I think we will see a better performance from Pakistan in the World Cup too.

Yes that's right. This is not important that if anyone didn't perform well in Asia Cup means Pakistan so they will not perform well in World Cup too. Because if there is bad performance in the Asia Cup so there are some matches in which you can see an excellent performance of Pakistan. So that's not right to say that Pakistan will not perform well in ICC world cup. Bt the way let's wait.

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Overall it was an incredibly dull day for cricket.

We had one final and one series decider but both the fixtures turned into one-sided affairs. Not sure if India would take (except cup) any lessons from this match, Siraj taking 6fer was the only highlight. South Africa on the other hand would take this series win delightfully, considering they lost the first 2 matches and came back strongly.

All these matches are turning out to be fine warm-up matches before the WC and everyone is trying new combinations and testing their bench strength. From next week we'll have another set of warm up bilateral series between Ind vs Aus, Ban vs NZ and Eng vs Ire. Let's hope no injuries for the main players. We are already seeing a fair amount of injuries in every team.

From India's pov, i'd prefer testing bench strength and surely rest Bumrah, Rohit, Kohli, Hardik, and Siraj for at least 1 match.

Even though we didn't saw a very competitive match of cricket today but I still am impressed with how Indian bowling attach performed. Usually we go to world cups with our batting strength but this time it's our bowling strength which looks amazing. Indian pitches are going to provide much less help for pacers but even then if these guys can move the ball like this it's really going to be hard to beat India.

Feel good factor does work when your team gets back into winning habit before any big tournament.

But at the same time, it should create some nervousness as well because everyone thinks that India are favorite and then we get knocked out in the semis. Happened many times in the last decade lol. Grin

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Quote from: ZAINmalik75 on September 18, 2023, 12:02:54 PM

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Looks like Naseem has been completely ruled out of the upcoming World Cup and might not be able to play for an year or something due to a shoulder injury which is a big blow to the Pakistan team.

Yeh it's still not confirmed but most of news has come out that he will be out of the entire world Cup also may be he will not available for Pakistan super league 2024 too because management didn't want to get risk on this youngester career and may be his shoulder injury should damage his class. So
I think it's right decision from Pakistani cricket board because still they have alot number of quality young blowers who can not completely delivered like Naseem but will done good as much as possible. Some rumers about M.Amir has come out from different media channels but it think it's not possible as he is retired and already done his job so providing opportunities to him again will be unfair decision with youngsters. Also baber and management decided to done as much a minor changes

Is there any verified news about Muhamad Amir as people spread some rumors about his comeback to the Pakistan team.I heard about him and that he settled himself somewhere abroad. He left cricket which means he is unfit now so how did they select him as a replacement for Fast bowler Naseem Shah? It's not fair for the national team to add a player who was retired instead of him the national team has some more choices like Wasim Junior, Hasnain, etc. I think it will be good for the Pakistan Cricket Board to select one of them. The absence of Nassem Shah left some bad effects on the team so hope the new one will be good.

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Yeh it's still not confirmed but most of news has come out that he will be out of the entire world Cup also may be he will not available for Pakistan super league 2024 too because management didn't want to get risk on this youngester career and may be his shoulder injury should damage his class. So
I think it's right decision from Pakistani cricket board because still they have alot number of quality young blowers who can not completely delivered like Naseem but will done good as much as possible. Some rumers about M.Amir has come out from different media channels but it think it's not possible as he is retired and already done his job so providing opportunities to him again will be unfair decision with youngsters. Also baber and management decided to done as much a minor changes

This tells the importance of having backup of every player whether its batsmen or bowler. Naseem Shah is one of key Pakistani bowler and there is no suitable player to replace him in world cup. TBH after seeing performance of Pakistan in Asia Cup there are not much chances of Pakistan in ODI world cup. I am the one who is more interested in T20 then ODI that's why I think there won't be much interest in ODI world cup.

Naseem Shah is a very important bowler in the Pakistan squad. And he was in very good form. I think it is very unfortunate for the Pakistan squad not to have such an important bowler in the World Cup. But I don't agree with you that Pakistan can't perform well in Asia Cup so they won't do well in World Cup. There is no doubt that the Pakistan squad is strong enough. They have a lot of talented batsmen and bowlers in their squad. But the problem is that the performance of Pakistan's batsmen is very erratic. If the performance of the batsmen is consistent then I think we will see a better performance from Pakistan in the World Cup too.

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Quote from: ZAINmalik75 on September 18, 2023, 12:02:54 PM

Quote from: 3kpk3 on September 18, 2023, 10:59:15 AM

Looks like Naseem has been completely ruled out of the upcoming World Cup and might not be able to play for an year or something due to a shoulder injury which is a big blow to the Pakistan team.

Yeh it's still not confirmed but most of news has come out that he will be out of the entire world Cup also may be he will not available for Pakistan super league 2024 too because management didn't want to get risk on this youngester career and may be his shoulder injury should damage his class. SoI think it's right decision from Pakistani cricket board because still they have alot number of quality young blowers who can not completely delivered like Naseem but will done good as much as possible.

After South Africa deaft Australia in ODI Series Pakistan again become No.1 ODI team of the world and Babar Azam remains the No.1 ODI batsman of the World. Pakistan team has best pace attack in the world but after Naseem injury we struggles to including wickets taker fast bowler in playing 11. One reason of injury is that we Pakistan playing with their main fast bowlers against Afghanistan series and also played against Nepal team while India team rested his main bowlers and players Rohit, Kholi and Pandya against Australia Series.

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Quote from: ZAINmalik75 on September 18, 2023, 12:02:54 PM

Yeh it's still not confirmed but most of news has come out that he will be out of the entire world Cup also may be he will not available for Pakistan super league 2024 too because management didn't want to get risk on this youngester career and may be his shoulder injury should damage his class. So
I think it's right decision from Pakistani cricket board because still they have alot number of quality young blowers who can not completely delivered like Naseem but will done good as much as possible. Some rumers about M.Amir has come out from different media channels but it think it's not possible as he is retired and already done his job so providing opportunities to him again will be unfair decision with youngsters. Also baber and management decided to done as much a minor changes

This tells the importance of having backup of every player whether its batsmen or bowler. Naseem Shah is one of key Pakistani bowler and there is no suitable player to replace him in world cup. TBH after seeing performance of Pakistan in Asia Cup there are not much chances of Pakistan in ODI world cup. I am the one who is more interested in T20 then ODI that's why I think there won't be much interest in ODI world cup.

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Quote from: MusaPk on September 18, 2023, 12:23:00 PM

Quote from: Westinhome on September 18, 2023, 12:10:49 PM

We should wait for the complete news from the Pakistan cricket board,the most of the bowlers will be used in the World Cup.Becasue the bowling of Pakistan was enough for the Pakistan to get the Cup.The bowling is the important part of the cricket,any can make runs.But taking the wicket will change the entire things in the cricket.The quality of the bowling was in good standard in both the Women and Men team of Pakistan.So both men and women team will target for the cup this time.

Pakistan pace attack is strong with Haris Rauf and Shaheen but there is lack of quality spin bowling. There is no genuine spinner in Pakistani bowling lineup. Moreover there is lack of consistency in Pakistani batting lineup. We saw Babar Azam unable to perform in Asia Cup. Pakistan need to improve spin department and they need there batsmen to perform under pressure.

Pakistan needs to improve every unit. With batting it have got good order, same with bowling. For some reason the team feels down and I'm not sure whether it is due to internal issues within the team or something else. During the match against India, they're at their best but failed initially and the same costs them big. If someone isn't successful, there needs to be player to fulfill the need standing wickets. Hope the World Cup will be a big place to prove their ability to the world.

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