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Quote from: pakhitheboss on April 20, 2023, 10:35:50 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on April 20, 2023, 10:23:25 AM

But let's talk hypothetically if by any chance they do start the richest league which is competing against IPL. Players are getting multi-million contracts every year, financially it's good for players so I am all for it but sustainability would be an epic challenge if you don't have an audience and we have heard this story so many times. A recent example is the WC media rights auction.

I can see one possibility where BCCI and Saudi Cricket comes together and go with the joint venture but for this to happen bilateral cricket need to die for sure because the schedule is packed. In this case, BCCI could allow Indian players and it's directly related to the Indian market.

Hypothetically everything is possible! In my opinion BCCI should not take them for granted. The Indian government would surely push BCCI to allow Indian players play in that league. Considering the amount of positive gesture the Saud family has done for India in the past.

That is what I said they both will form a joint venture and Indian crickters would play in that League for the first time. Forget about bilateral series those don't generate any revenue for ICC, I would say yes to whatever BCCI wants if BCCI gives me something in return. That is what you can expect, otherwise BCCI has that option of leaving ICC and start its own governance in cricket. I would like that to happen.
This invitation is very big and I don't think BCCI can go against it. After all Jay Shah is the controlling the board. I believe this collaboration might become a huge revenue generator for BCCI.

The BCCI will surely send their players wherever they see a profit. And I am quite sure that if Indian players take part in the Saudi cricket league, they are surely going to be paid a lot of money. But one problem is, BCCI will surely not want to send their players to a league that is saying that they are going to be bigger than IPL. At least that’s what I think. I believe if the BCCI wants their player to have a good amount of money, they are going to send the players. But if they want IPL to be the best, even after the Saudi league, they will not send the players.

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Quote from: JSRAW on April 20, 2023, 10:23:25 AM

But let's talk hypothetically if by any chance they do start the richest league which is competing against IPL. Players are getting multi-million contracts every year, financially it's good for players so I am all for it but sustainability would be an epic challenge if you don't have an audience and we have heard this story so many times. A recent example is the WC media rights auction.

I can see one possibility where BCCI and Saudi Cricket comes together and go with the joint venture but for this to happen bilateral cricket need to die for sure because the schedule is packed. In this case, BCCI could allow Indian players and it's directly related to the Indian market.

Hypothetically everything is possible! In my opinion BCCI should not take them for granted. The Indian government would surely push BCCI to allow Indian players play in that league. Considering the amount of positive gesture the Saud family has done for India in the past.

That is what I said they both will form a joint venture and Indian crickters would play in that League for the first time. Forget about bilateral series those don't generate any revenue for ICC, I would say yes to whatever BCCI wants if BCCI gives me something in return. That is what you can expect, otherwise BCCI has that option of leaving ICC and start its own governance in cricket. I would like that to happen.

This invitation is very big and I don't think BCCI can go against it. After all Jay Shah is the controlling the board. I believe this collaboration might become a huge revenue generator for BCCI.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on April 20, 2023, 04:41:25 AM

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All of this revenue might go down if Saudi Arabia is able to start thier own cricket league with or without the help of BCCI. At first BCCI had straight away said no Indian players will be allowed to participate now it seems they might allow.

If Indian players are not allowed to participate in the extremely cash rich Saudi league still they would get other players and BCCI might lose most of the foreign players this why BCCI might agree in sending the Indian players. They also might buy some stakes in that league.

This is what I am hearing on multiple social media channels. What do you think?

I highly doubt that.

Saudis are rich but in cricket, BCCI is the elephant in the room and without their blessing, the Saudi cricket board (if there is a thing) can't do much because India generates eyeballs and economic indicators are only going to improve in upcoming years. Right now India and SA are on excellent terms and the latter has a "Long" position on the former so I don't see them hurting BCCI's interest.

But let's talk hypothetically if by any chance they do start the richest league which is competing against IPL. Players are getting multi-million contracts every year, financially it's good for players so I am all for it but sustainability would be an epic challenge if you don't have an audience and we have heard this story so many times. A recent example is the WC media rights auction.

I can see one possibility where BCCI and Saudi Cricket comes together and go with the joint venture but for this to happen bilateral cricket need to die for sure because the schedule is packed. In this case, BCCI could allow Indian players and it's directly related to the Indian market.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 19, 2023, 10:53:05 PM

ICC media rights (for 4 years, 2024-2027): $3.5 billion
IPL media rights (for 5 years, 2023-2027): $6.2 billion
WPL media rights (for 5 years, 2023-2027): $0.12 billion
Media rights for bilateral matches involving India (for 4 years, 2024-2027): Bidding process still on, winner to be declared shortly (for the last 5-year period from 2018-2023, Disney Star won the rights for $925 million. This time the amount will increase by manifold).

In short, BCCI revenues are manytimes of the ICC revenue. IPL rights itself are larger than the combined price of media rights sales from ICC and all the other national boards.

Quote from: JSRAW on April 20, 2023, 02:43:51 AM

@Sithara007 provided the main pointers so that should be enough for overall comparison but if we roughly crunch numbers from BCCI's perspective then I'll try to break it out.

Atm Men's IPL revenue model is based on 50-50 for BCCI and all franchises. So BCCI's share for 5 years is $3.1 Billion, which is a little above $600 Million every year.

Then there are "flagship central sponsorships" contracts (Main title sponsors like TATA, VIVO etc) it's also based on 50%-50%. Numbers are not public for the recent deal (Tata) but if we go by the last sponsor (VIVO) then their contract was worth around $200-$300 Million for 5 years (Depending on exchange rates).

Apart from that they get a 15% share from the Gate money, and the rest of 85% goes to franchises. The average gate money should be around $1.5-2.5 Million dollars easily for every match and this IPL has 70 Matches.

I just know that BCCI generates lots of revenue but have no idea about how much BCCI generates in terms of figures. Thanks for giving these figures they are enough to understand where BCCI stands among all cricket nations. I don't think any league big bash or The Hundred generates anyway near to what IPL is generating. This also gives BCCI absolute powers in ICC and there is no way ICC can go against BCCI.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on April 20, 2023, 04:41:25 AM

All of this revenue might go down if Saudi Arabia is able to start thier own cricket league with or without the help of BCCI. At first BCCI had straight away said no Indian players will be allowed to participate now it seems they might allow.

If Indian players are not allowed to participate in the extremely cash rich Saudi league still they would get other players and BCCI might lose most of the foreign players this why BCCI might agree in sending the Indian players. They also might buy some stakes in that league.

This is what I am hearing on multiple social media channels. What do you think?

I don't think that the BCCI will allow Indian players to participate in the Saudi league. If they do so, then their own league (Indian Premier League) would be under threat. And the international calendar is already jam packed. The BCCI wants to have a 3 month window for the IPL. From where they are going to create space for the Saudi league? BCCI may be interested only in case they get the lions share of the revenues. Since there is no income tax in Saudi Arabia, it is beneficial for the BCCI to host tournaments there. But then why should the Saudi Arabian Cricket Federation forfeit the control of their league to the BCCI?

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Quote from: JSRAW on April 20, 2023, 02:43:51 AM

@Sithara007 provided the main pointers so that should be enough for overall comparison but if we roughly crunch numbers from BCCI's perspective then I'll try to break it out.

Atm Men's IPL revenue model is based on 50-50 for BCCI and all franchises. So BCCI's share for 5 years is $3.1 Billion, which is a little above $600 Million every year.

Then there are "flagship central sponsorships" contracts (Main title sponsors like TATA, VIVO etc) it's also based on 50%-50%. Numbers are not public for the recent deal (Tata) but if we go by the last sponsor (VIVO) then their contract was worth around $200-$300 Million for 5 years (Depending on exchange rates).

Apart from that they get a 15% share from the Gate money, and the rest of 85% goes to franchises. The average gate money should be around $1.5-2.5 Million dollars easily for every match and this IPL has 70 Matches.

All of this revenue might go down if Saudi Arabia is able to start thier own cricket league with or without the help of BCCI. At first BCCI had straight away said no Indian players will be allowed to participate now it seems they might allow.

If Indian players are not allowed to participate in the extremely cash rich Saudi league still they would get other players and BCCI might lose most of the foreign players this why BCCI might agree in sending the Indian players. They also might buy some stakes in that league.

This is what I am hearing on multiple social media channels. What do you think?

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Quote from: MusaPk on April 19, 2023, 12:48:21 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on April 19, 2023, 08:41:51 AM

To give you overall context regarding the IPL pool.

5 years ( 2023-2027) Media rights of TV and Digital rights are sold for $6.2 Billion. They also sold 2 new teams for almost $2 Billion.

If you have gone so far then do another favour and give some figures of ICC revenue also, so we all have an idea how mighty BCCI is when compared with another boards.

@Sithara007 provided the main pointers so that should be enough for overall comparison but if we roughly crunch numbers from BCCI's perspective then I'll try to break it out.

Atm Men's IPL revenue model is based on 50-50 for BCCI and all franchises. So BCCI's share for 5 years is $3.1 Billion, which is a little above $600 Million every year.

Then there are "flagship central sponsorships" contracts (Main title sponsors like TATA, VIVO etc) it's also based on 50%-50%. Numbers are not public for the recent deal (Tata) but if we go by the last sponsor (VIVO) then their contract was worth around $200-$300 Million for 5 years (Depending on exchange rates).

Apart from that they get a 15% share from the Gate money, and the rest of 85% goes to franchises. The average gate money should be around $1.5-2.5 Million dollars easily for every match and this IPL has 70 Matches.

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Quote from: laurenB7742 on April 20, 2023, 01:37:55 AM

I know the UAE squad lacks experienced players. And they have no long-term plans. Also, most of the players in their squad are expatriates of Indian, Pakistani, or Omani origin. But now the team is improving as it is. I think UAE will think about the future of their cricket. If they move forward with long-term planning, the team will become stronger in the future. They have proved that they have the capability. Now they need a world-class coach. Hope the UAE Board will take Khan Cricket very seriously

LOL.. there are no players of "Omani" origin in the UAE team. The Oman national team itself never had a single player of Omani origin. All of the players in the UAE squad hold citizenship of either India or Pakistan and are residing in the UAE on tourist or work visa. UAE government doesn't care much about cricket, but they are happy that ICC is based in that country and with each passing year they receive an increasing share of the ICC revenues. They have no plans to spread cricket to the natives and it will forever remain as an expat sport.

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Quote from: laurenB7742 on April 20, 2023, 01:37:55 AM

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The UAE team is gradually becoming quite strong. I think this group will become as strong as Afghanistan in the next few days. The UAE team has some very talented players. But regularly these players cannot play well. They lack experience. The UAE board should try to bring consistency in the performance of the team's players by appointing experienced coaches.
Kuwait lost 8 wickets and collected 162 runs. I would have been happy if UAE could have won by 200 runs today. As a result, the confidence of the players increased. But the probability is very low.

UAE along with teams of Oman, Kuwait and Qatar are all made up of players of expats. There performance only depends on current players, they don't have long term plan since they don't have any domestic players. As far as I remember UAE was in 1996 world cup still they failed to produce any significant impact.

I know the UAE squad lacks experienced players. And they have no long-term plans. Also, most of the players in their squad are expatriates of Indian, Pakistani, or Omani origin. But now the team is improving as it is. I think UAE will think about the future of their cricket. If they move forward with long-term planning, the team will become stronger in the future. They have proved that they have the capability. Now they need a world-class coach. Hope the UAE Board will take Khan Cricket very seriously

Since they are financially self-sufficient, any decision taken becomes very easy to implement. They may adopt such a plan in the coming days. They can offer the best coaches in the world. But I think they need to organize their team first and then if they are able to guided under a good coach they will progress quickly. I think in a short time UAE can become a country like Afghanistan cricket. However, it will not be easy for the UAE to get some of the prominent cricketers in the Afghanistan team. But they can improve significantly.

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Quote from: MusaPk on April 19, 2023, 12:48:21 PM

Quote from: laurenB7742 on April 19, 2023, 05:37:37 AM

The UAE team is gradually becoming quite strong. I think this group will become as strong as Afghanistan in the next few days. The UAE team has some very talented players. But regularly these players cannot play well. They lack experience. The UAE board should try to bring consistency in the performance of the team's players by appointing experienced coaches.
Kuwait lost 8 wickets and collected 162 runs. I would have been happy if UAE could have won by 200 runs today. As a result, the confidence of the players increased. But the probability is very low.

UAE along with teams of Oman, Kuwait and Qatar are all made up of players of expats. There performance only depends on current players, they don't have long term plan since they don't have any domestic players. As far as I remember UAE was in 1996 world cup still they failed to produce any significant impact.

I know the UAE squad lacks experienced players. And they have no long-term plans. Also, most of the players in their squad are expatriates of Indian, Pakistani, or Omani origin. But now the team is improving as it is. I think UAE will think about the future of their cricket. If they move forward with long-term planning, the team will become stronger in the future. They have proved that they have the capability. Now they need a world-class coach. Hope the UAE Board will take Khan Cricket very seriously

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Quote from: MusaPk on April 19, 2023, 12:48:21 PM

If you have gone so far then do another favour and give some figures of ICC revenue also, so we all have an idea how mighty BCCI is when compared with another boards.

ICC media rights (for 4 years, 2024-2027): $3.5 billion
IPL media rights (for 5 years, 2023-2027): $6.2 billion
WPL media rights (for 5 years, 2023-2027): $0.12 billion
Media rights for bilateral matches involving India (for 4 years, 2024-2027): Bidding process still on, winner to be declared shortly (for the last 5-year period from 2018-2023, Disney Star won the rights for $925 million. This time the amount will increase by manifold).

In short, BCCI revenues are manytimes of the ICC revenue. IPL rights itself are larger than the combined price of media rights sales from ICC and all the other national boards.

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UAE vs Kuwait

In United Arab Emirates vs Kuwait match United Arab Emirates won by 143 runs. I thought Kuwait might lose by 50 runs but I didn't think that they will lose by 143 runs. Kuwait team batsmen were all out for 228 runs in 36.3 overs. Great performance by United Arab Emirates team. Won the match very easily to do. I am very happy to enjoy the game.

Not much ODI played between the two teams. UAE is strong and the both teams have played good number of T20 matches. In that UAE leads and in ODI both the teams are equally strong and have good number of players and can be considered similar as both the teams were filled with players from India, Pakistan and Afghanistan. Kuwait lost all the wickets, more 81 balls left and they could've managed to score atleast 100 more runs if they haven't lost wickets. The next match is against Bahrain where Kuwait seems to be the favourite to win the match.

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Quote from: JSRAW on April 19, 2023, 08:41:51 AM

To give you overall context regarding the IPL pool.

5 years ( 2023-2027) Media rights of TV and Digital rights are sold for $6.2 Billion. They also sold 2 new teams for almost $2 Billion.

If you have gone so far then do another favour and give some figures of ICC revenue also, so we all have an idea how mighty BCCI is when compared with another boards.

Quote from: laurenB7742 on April 19, 2023, 05:37:37 AM

The UAE team is gradually becoming quite strong. I think this group will become as strong as Afghanistan in the next few days. The UAE team has some very talented players. But regularly these players cannot play well. They lack experience. The UAE board should try to bring consistency in the performance of the team's players by appointing experienced coaches.

Kuwait lost 8 wickets and collected 162 runs. I would have been happy if UAE could have won by 200 runs today. As a result, the confidence of the players increased. But the probability is very low.

UAE along with teams of Oman, Kuwait and Qatar are all made up of players of expats. There performance only depends on current players, they don't have long term plan since they don't have any domestic players. As far as I remember UAE was in 1996 world cup still they failed to produce any significant impact.

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Quote from: MusaPk on April 19, 2023, 04:39:35 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on April 18, 2023, 10:11:10 PM

Franchise fees (10-year period): ₹4,669 crore (US$580 million)
TV broadcasting (5-year period): ₹951 crore (US$120 million)

I don't have figures for Men IPL so can't say how insignificant WIPL figures are. But the figures you are mentioned are quite huge and tells the story that WIPL is not in loss and it will continuously held like men IPL. BCCI has no doubt has taken crikcet to a level where money is raining.
Meanwhile 4 gulf countries are playing in Nepal. The game between UAE and Kuwait is very much in UAE favour. While the game between Oman and Qatar is competitive.

To give you overall context regarding the IPL pool.

5 years ( 2023-2027) Media rights of TV and Digital rights are sold for $6.2 Billion. They also sold 2 new teams for almost $2 Billion.

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Quote from: JSRAW on April 19, 2023, 03:57:14 AM

I would add another major point.

If i am not wrong then for the first 5 years IPL revenue model is based on 80% (Franchises)-20% (BCCI) share so a major chunk will go towards the WIPL franchises except for a fixed amount of Franchise fees (which you mentioned).

As far as I know, here the "revenues" mean TV broadcast fees and sponsorship. It doesn't include the franchise fees (if I am not wrong). Anyway, in the initial 3-4 seasons, none of the franchises are likely to break even. And the franchises who paid higher franchise fee (such as the Ahmedabad and Mumbai franchises) are likely to remain in red for several seasons. Revenues from the first season has exceeded all expectations. Each of the WPL franchises have earned ₹15 to ₹20 crore from sponsorships, and some ₹25 to ₹35 crore from the central revenue pool.

Yeah, that's my understanding as well.

Revenue was surely good for WPL but as far as I know, complete numbers are not public atm, maybe i missed their briefing.

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Quote from: crunck on April 19, 2023, 03:20:39 AM

UAE vs Kuwait

In United Arab Emirates vs Kuwait match United Arab Emirates won by 143 runs. I thought Kuwait might lose by 50 runs but I didn't think that they will lose by 143 runs. Kuwait team batsmen were all out for 228 runs in 36.3 overs. Great performance by United Arab Emirates team. Won the match very easily to do. I am very happy to enjoy the game.

Vriitya Aravind 185 runs and rohan mustafa 118 runs helps UAE in giving that big target 371 runs is wonderful batting by them.
Kuwait can't compete such big target that was obvious so they lost the match.
UAE was wonderful today overall.

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Quote from: crunck on April 19, 2023, 03:20:39 AM

UAE vs Kuwait

In United Arab Emirates vs Kuwait match United Arab Emirates won by 143 runs. I thought Kuwait might lose by 50 runs but I didn't think that they will lose by 143 runs. Kuwait team batsmen were all out for 228 runs in 36.3 overs. Great performance by United Arab Emirates team. Won the match very easily to do. I am very happy to enjoy the game.

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Quote from: JSRAW on April 19, 2023, 03:57:14 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on April 18, 2023, 10:11:10 PM

BCCI receives revenue from the WPL through multiple sources. A few of them are:

Franchise fees (10-year period): ₹4,669 crore (US$580 million)
TV broadcasting (5-year period): ₹951 crore (US$120 million)

Additionally, the BCCI receives payments for sponsorship and some other sectors. Revenues from ticket sales are given to the franchises. These numbers may look anormous. But compare to the numbers from the IPL, and you will notice how insignificant they are.

I would add another major point.

If i am not wrong then for the first 5 years IPL revenue model is based on 80% (Franchises)-20% (BCCI) share so a major chunk will go towards the WIPL franchises except for a fixed amount of Franchise fees (which you mentioned).

As far as I know, here the "revenues" mean TV broadcast fees and sponsorship. It doesn't include the franchise fees (if I am not wrong). Anyway, in the initial 3-4 seasons, none of the franchises are likely to break even. And the franchises who paid higher franchise fee (such as the Ahmedabad and Mumbai franchises) are likely to remain in red for several seasons. Revenues from the first season has exceeded all expectations. Each of the WPL franchises have earned ₹15 to ₹20 crore from sponsorships, and some ₹25 to ₹35 crore from the central revenue pool.

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UAE vs Kuwait

I was checking the scoreboard of the UAE vs Kuwait match. The UAE team managed to set a huge target of 372 runs. Vriitya Arvind scored 185 runs off 147 balls and Rohan Mustafa scored 118 runs. Also, Asif Khan scored 30 runs off just 9 balls. Besides, no other batsman in the team can play well. The UAE squad has some great batsmen. This group is gradually getting stronger. The UAE team will win today very easily against Kuwait. My estimate today is that Kuwait will be able to collect around 200-220. UAE will win today by a big margin.

Of course this is a big target. And UAE has the clear chances to win this match. If we will see the current situation of the match so the Kuwait team has already lost two wickets on 42 runs. If we talk about the run rate so the current run rate is quite impressive now. But the thing is that much they play fast much they lost more wickets. By the way UAE is looking strong in this match.
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The UAE team is gradually becoming quite strong. I think this group will become as strong as Afghanistan in the next few days. The UAE team has some very talented players. But regularly these players cannot play well. They lack experience. The UAE board should try to bring consistency in the performance of the team's players by appointing experienced coaches.

Kuwait lost 8 wickets and collected 162 runs. I would have been happy if UAE could have won by 200 runs today. As a result, the confidence of the players increased. But the probability is very low.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 18, 2023, 10:11:10 PM

BCCI receives revenue from the WPL through multiple sources. A few of them are:

Franchise fees (10-year period): ₹4,669 crore (US$580 million)
TV broadcasting (5-year period): ₹951 crore (US$120 million)

Additionally, the BCCI receives payments for sponsorship and some other sectors. Revenues from ticket sales are given to the franchises. These numbers may look anormous. But compare to the numbers from the IPL, and you will notice how insignificant they are.

I don't have figures for Men IPL so can't say how insignificant WIPL figures are. But the figures you are mentioned are quite huge and tells the story that WIPL is not in loss and it will continuously held like men IPL. BCCI has no doubt has taken crikcet to a level where money is raining.
Meanwhile 4 gulf countries are playing in Nepal. The game between UAE and Kuwait is very much in UAE favour. While the game between Oman and Qatar is competitive.

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Quote from: crunck on April 19, 2023, 03:20:39 AM

UAE vs Kuwait

I was checking the scoreboard of the UAE vs Kuwait match. The UAE team managed to set a huge target of 372 runs. Vriitya Arvind scored 185 runs off 147 balls and Rohan Mustafa scored 118 runs. Also, Asif Khan scored 30 runs off just 9 balls. Besides, no other batsman in the team can play well. The UAE squad has some great batsmen. This group is gradually getting stronger. The UAE team will win today very easily against Kuwait. My estimate today is that Kuwait will be able to collect around 200-220. UAE will win today by a big margin.

Of course this is a big target. And UAE has the clear chances to win this match. If we will see the current situation of the match so the Kuwait team has already lost two wickets on 42 runs. If we talk about the run rate so the current run rate is quite impressive now. But the thing is that much they play fast much they lost more wickets. By the way UAE is looking strong in this match.

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