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Quote from: jaberwock on October 12, 2022, 07:33:21 AM

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I didn't think South Africa will play so bad in this match and lose the match, we thought South Africa might perform well in this match, but the result turned out to be the opposite South Africa played so badly in the match it's unbelievable the Indian bowlers left the South African batsmen so confused that the South African batsmen completely failed to play the Indian bowlers' balls.

Few years back they were one of the best chokers in cricket world but right now they are one of the biggest joke in cricketing world and after having performance like this look like their future is also having not good because they are going badly down against second string Indian bowling attack which is matter of concern for them because with this performance they can't stay into top ranks so now it's good time for having some discussion and change of policies which are bringing down their quality and top performance players.

Uncertainty and kill of merit policy is never been good for any teem because this brings down moral and right now happening with South Africa coach Mark Buchar already announces he is leaving after this world cup, so they need to do positive development end quota system and bring fair policy.

These were really terrible performances from the South African team. i really thought that this match was going to be competitive because this was going to be the decider match of the series. South Africa utterly failed to deliver in this match when it counted the most. the team set a target of only 100 runs in a 50 overs match. And it didn't even take India 20 overs to reach the target. the sad part is actually Shubman Gill missing out on a half-century. people often say that even if one team loses there is always something positive to take away from every match. that I really don't think that there are any positives to take away from this match for the South Africans.

Kuldeep Yadav was the most outstanding bowler for India. but it was not a solo effort. All the Indian bowlers bowled really well in this match.

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Quote from: JSRAW on October 12, 2022, 03:56:06 PM

Do you know the funny part?

The very same team beat the Indian main team in the previous bilateral series (test and ODI) and exact same proteas team, which is full strength got humbled by the 2nd string Indian team.

I'm starting to think that Indian selectors should start playing with the 2nd string team everywhere, they can't do that bad considering the main Indian team gets a bloody nose in every ICC tournament.

I like the last part and you have a valid suggestion. Main players such as Kohli and Rohit have failed again and again in ICC tournaments. Maybe time has come to give chances to some of the younger players such as Avesh, Ishan and Washington in the ICC tournaments. Anyway the squad has been announced already and I am not expecting any last minute changes now. And to be honest, I don't have any hope that they will lift the trophy this time. The team is not even taking it seriously. Look at the number of warmup matches that are scheduled.

There is no chance for last minute changes. These days Indian cricket is much into politics than giving importance for the cricket. According to me, Suresh Raina made the right decision to retire from all formats of cricket. Same as that more players can give way for young players. Myself too have the thought that the trophy won't be lifted by India.

Nowadays, politics has invaded the entertainment space of people. Every sector is affected by dirty politics. Where being honest is very hard. I think this image is not only in India but its influence is widely visible in many Asian countries. Three countries like India, Pakistan and Bangladesh, cricket boards are more or less politically influenced.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 12, 2022, 08:21:39 PM

I like the last part and you have a valid suggestion. Main players such as Kohli and Rohit have failed again and again in ICC tournaments. Maybe time has come to give chances to some of the younger players such as Avesh, Ishan and Washington in the ICC tournaments. Anyway the squad has been announced already and I am not expecting any last minute changes now. And to be honest, I don't have any hope that they will lift the trophy this time. The team is not even taking it seriously. Look at the number of warmup matches that are scheduled.

Right now as BCCI have resources and players power they can bring competition into their own system which will have positive impact with mostly big players will feel pressure, and they have to perform, or their chances could be slim to stay into top it's surely big game from them which is having all win-win for them because currently their investments are giving them good return.

Now they can feel relaxed so here this T20 world cup could be vital for few players because if they fail to perform then surely they have to face something which is not expected for them but beneficial for selectors because experience and performance are good, and these guys can go into any event for having good results.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 12, 2022, 08:21:39 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on October 12, 2022, 03:56:06 PM

Do you know the funny part?

The very same team beat the Indian main team in the previous bilateral series (test and ODI) and exact same proteas team, which is full strength got humbled by the 2nd string Indian team.

I'm starting to think that Indian selectors should start playing with the 2nd string team everywhere, they can't do that bad considering the main Indian team gets a bloody nose in every ICC tournament.

I like the last part and you have a valid suggestion. Main players such as Kohli and Rohit have failed again and again in ICC tournaments. Maybe time has come to give chances to some of the younger players such as Avesh, Ishan and Washington in the ICC tournaments. Anyway the squad has been announced already and I am not expecting any last minute changes now. And to be honest, I don't have any hope that they will lift the trophy this time. The team is not even taking it seriously. Look at the number of warmup matches that are scheduled.

It was supposed to be a joke but the more i think, it does make sense overall lol

Bowling and opening pair (read; KL Rahul) looks weak to me, hope I'm wrong. Let's hope they survive the group stage first against Pak-SA and reach at least knockouts.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 12, 2022, 08:21:39 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on October 12, 2022, 03:56:06 PM

Do you know the funny part?

The very same team beat the Indian main team in the previous bilateral series (test and ODI) and exact same proteas team, which is full strength got humbled by the 2nd string Indian team.

I'm starting to think that Indian selectors should start playing with the 2nd string team everywhere, they can't do that bad considering the main Indian team gets a bloody nose in every ICC tournament.

I like the last part and you have a valid suggestion. Main players such as Kohli and Rohit have failed again and again in ICC tournaments. Maybe time has come to give chances to some of the younger players such as Avesh, Ishan and Washington in the ICC tournaments. Anyway the squad has been announced already and I am not expecting any last minute changes now. And to be honest, I don't have any hope that they will lift the trophy this time. The team is not even taking it seriously. Look at the number of warmup matches that are scheduled.

There is no chance for last minute changes. These days Indian cricket is much into politics than giving importance for the cricket. According to me, Suresh Raina made the right decision to retire from all formats of cricket. Same as that more players can give way for young players. Myself too have the thought that the trophy won't be lifted by India.

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Quote from: JSRAW on October 12, 2022, 03:56:06 PM

Do you know the funny part?

The very same team beat the Indian main team in the previous bilateral series (test and ODI) and exact same proteas team, which is full strength got humbled by the 2nd string Indian team.

I'm starting to think that Indian selectors should start playing with the 2nd string team everywhere, they can't do that bad considering the main Indian team gets a bloody nose in every ICC tournament.

I like the last part and you have a valid suggestion. Main players such as Kohli and Rohit have failed again and again in ICC tournaments. Maybe time has come to give chances to some of the younger players such as Avesh, Ishan and Washington in the ICC tournaments. Anyway the squad has been announced already and I am not expecting any last minute changes now. And to be honest, I don't have any hope that they will lift the trophy this time. The team is not even taking it seriously. Look at the number of warmup matches that are scheduled.

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Quote from: Minor Miner on October 12, 2022, 02:29:38 PM

The South African squad had plenty of experienced batsmen. Even then they could not collect even 100 runs. I would say such a defeat to a second tier team in India is very embarrassing for South Africa. They should have performed more carefully. Players like de Kock and Miller should have batted more responsibly. Since the team players are not in good form, the experienced players should have tried to stay at the crease for a long time. After winning the first match, South Africa lost badly in the last two matches. If the performance of the batsmen is not better, they may be eliminated in the first round in the next World Cup.

Do you know the funny part?

The very same team beat the Indian main team in the previous bilateral series (test and ODI) and exact same proteas team, which is full strength got humbled by the 2nd string Indian team.

I'm starting to think that Indian selectors should start playing with the 2nd string team everywhere, they can't do that bad considering the main Indian team gets a bloody nose in every ICC tournament.

This is happening with most of the teams where the main team performance stands questionable based on the performance from the second tier team.

Very few players have got consistent performance. If a player who had previous match hadn't performed good, the upcoming players should take responsibility and perform. In the third ODI of South Africa vs India, it was Heinrich to score 34 to reach 99. If not this could've gone even worse.

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Quote from: Minor Miner on October 12, 2022, 02:29:38 PM

The South African squad had plenty of experienced batsmen. Even then they could not collect even 100 runs. I would say such a defeat to a second tier team in India is very embarrassing for South Africa. They should have performed more carefully. Players like de Kock and Miller should have batted more responsibly. Since the team players are not in good form, the experienced players should have tried to stay at the crease for a long time. After winning the first match, South Africa lost badly in the last two matches. If the performance of the batsmen is not better, they may be eliminated in the first round in the next World Cup.

Do you know the funny part?

The very same team beat the Indian main team in the previous bilateral series (test and ODI) and exact same proteas team, which is full strength got humbled by the 2nd string Indian team.

I'm starting to think that Indian selectors should start playing with the 2nd string team everywhere, they can't do that bad considering the main Indian team gets a bloody nose in every ICC tournament.

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Quote from: BobK71 on October 12, 2022, 01:40:48 PM

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I am not surprised with the fact that South Africa was bowled out for just 99. I am surprised because they were facing a second string Indian squad. At least 7-8 main players were missing from the Indian XI and despite all that South Africa performed in such a pathetic manner. Bowlers such as Washington Sundar, Avesh Khan and Shahbaz Ahmed would struggle to get in to the India A squad, if the regular players such as Bumrah and Shami are available. And South Africa had heavyweights such as Janneman Malan, Quinton de Kock, Heinrich Klaasen and David Miller.

I agree with you that the way Africans lost is not a problem. In the game there will be winner as well as loser. But no one could have imagined that they would be washed like this by the 2nd tier cricketers. Here was a proof that the Indian 2nd row cricketers are not less powerful. Where African world-renowned players participated like Quinton de Kock, Aiden Markram , Heinrich Klaasen , David Miller a group of players helplessly defeated by India is a big achievement. The way they played deserves praise.

The South African squad had plenty of experienced batsmen. Even then they could not collect even 100 runs. I would say such a defeat to a second tier team in India is very embarrassing for South Africa. They should have performed more carefully. Players like de Kock and Miller should have batted more responsibly. Since the team players are not in good form, the experienced players should have tried to stay at the crease for a long time. After winning the first match, South Africa lost badly in the last two matches. If the performance of the batsmen is not better, they may be eliminated in the first round in the next World Cup.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 12, 2022, 12:56:57 PM

I am not surprised with the fact that South Africa was bowled out for just 99. I am surprised because they were facing a second string Indian squad. At least 7-8 main players were missing from the Indian XI and despite all that South Africa performed in such a pathetic manner. Bowlers such as Washington Sundar, Avesh Khan and Shahbaz Ahmed would struggle to get in to the India A squad, if the regular players such as Bumrah and Shami are available. And South Africa had heavyweights such as Janneman Malan, Quinton de Kock, Heinrich Klaasen and David Miller.

I agree with you that the way Africans lost is not a problem. In the game there will be winner as well as loser. But no one could have imagined that they would be washed like this by the 2nd tier cricketers. Here was a proof that the Indian 2nd row cricketers are not less powerful. Where African world-renowned players participated like Quinton de Kock, Aiden Markram , Heinrich Klaasen , David Miller a group of players helplessly defeated by India is a big achievement. The way they played deserves praise.

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I am not surprised with the fact that South Africa was bowled out for just 99. I am surprised because they were facing a second string Indian squad. At least 7-8 main players were missing from the Indian XI and despite all that South Africa performed in such a pathetic manner. Bowlers such as Washington Sundar, Avesh Khan and Shahbaz Ahmed would struggle to get in to the India A squad, if the regular players such as Bumrah and Shami are available. And South Africa had heavyweights such as Janneman Malan, Quinton de Kock, Heinrich Klaasen and David Miller.

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Quote from: |MINER| on October 12, 2022, 06:31:10 AM

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Quote from: BobK71 on October 12, 2022, 12:59:46 AM

It's part of the game but if a team like South Africa is in such a situation, you can't rely too much on their game. In the last match de Kock, Miller, R Hendricks and Markram none of them could score 10 runs. So how to expect big score. This match may write down in history as a match of poor performance.

The South African team has several talented players. Malan, de Kock, Hendricks, Markram and Miller are all very talented. But none played well. There is no consistency in the performance of the players. Despite having such a strong batting line-up, South Africa lost all wickets for just 99 runs. If we play in such an irregular manner, we will not get a good performance from the South African team in the next T20 World Cup. Maybe South Africa will be able to play well in 2/1 matches. But I think South Africa will fail to qualify for the semi-finals.

In the past few years South Africa played with roar. They always kept the opposite team in pressure. but today seeing their poor condition, a small team dare to defeat them. But here I also find a similarity in Pakistan cricket. There is no balance between the two teams. Any time can good performance and sometimes to be worse that has never been expected.

This is mainly due to undervaluation of their practice. They should have practiced well before the start of the game so that they can always be ready to make a good run over any obstacle. I think there was some problem in their practice that caused them to become so weak all of a sudden .

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Quote from: impulse709 on October 12, 2022, 12:01:42 AM

I didn't think South Africa will play so bad in this match and lose the match, we thought South Africa might perform well in this match, but the result turned out to be the opposite South Africa played so badly in the match it's unbelievable the Indian bowlers left the South African batsmen so confused that the South African batsmen completely failed to play the Indian bowlers' balls.

Few years back they were one of the best chokers in cricket world but right now they are one of the biggest joke in cricketing world and after having performance like this look like their future is also having not good because they are going badly down against second string Indian bowling attack which is matter of concern for them because with this performance they can't stay into top ranks so now it's good time for having some discussion and change of policies which are bringing down their quality and top performance players.

Uncertainty and kill of merit policy is never been good for any teem because this brings down moral and right now happening with South Africa coach Mark Buchar already announces he is leaving after this world cup, so they need to do positive development end quota system and bring fair policy.

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Quote from: BobK71 on October 12, 2022, 12:59:46 AM

It's part of the game but if a team like South Africa is in such a situation, you can't rely too much on their game. In the last match de Kock, Miller, R Hendricks and Markram none of them could score 10 runs. So how to expect big score. This match may write down in history as a match of poor performance.

The South African team has several talented players. Malan, de Kock, Hendricks, Markram and Miller are all very talented. But none played well. There is no consistency in the performance of the players. Despite having such a strong batting line-up, South Africa lost all wickets for just 99 runs. If we play in such an irregular manner, we will not get a good performance from the South African team in the next T20 World Cup. Maybe South Africa will be able to play well in 2/1 matches. But I think South Africa will fail to qualify for the semi-finals.

In the past few years South Africa played with roar. They always kept the opposite team in pressure. but today seeing their poor condition, a small team dare to defeat them. But here I also find a similarity in Pakistan cricket. There is no balance between the two teams. Any time can good performance and sometimes to be worse that has never been expected.

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Quote from: BobK71 on October 12, 2022, 12:59:46 AM

It's part of the game but if a team like South Africa is in such a situation, you can't rely too much on their game. In the last match de Kock, Miller, R Hendricks and Markram none of them could score 10 runs. So how to expect big score. This match may write down in history as a match of poor performance.

The South African team has several talented players. Malan, de Kock, Hendricks, Markram and Miller are all very talented. But none played well. There is no consistency in the performance of the players. Despite having such a strong batting line-up, South Africa lost all wickets for just 99 runs. If we play in such an irregular manner, we will not get a good performance from the South African team in the next T20 World Cup. Maybe South Africa will be able to play well in 2/1 matches. But I think South Africa will fail to qualify for the semi-finals.

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India VS South Africa

The two teams meet again in today's series-clinching match. India won the toss and decided to bowl. And South Africa did not start their innings well. They lost the crucial wicket of de Kock by just 7 runs. And Malan returned to the dressing room with 25 runs. They lost two openers for just 25 runs in 7.5 overs. It looks like we will see a low score in this match as well. As Indian batsmen are in great form now. So India's chances of winning today's match as well as the previous match are high. The series is likely to be won by India. South African batsmen's performance against Indian bowlers is not very good.

Unfortunately, African cricket capitulate helplessly to Indian cricket. So far, they have lost 7 wickets and managed to score only 94 runs in 25.2 overs. It can be said that their beginning is through distraction. In the condition of the match, India can definitely win. And through this victory, the ODI series was also won. It can be said that their matches against South Africa were tremendous in this session.

Indian bowlers completely dominated the match. I was expecting the South African side to go beyond 100 but unfortunately their batting order collapsed. This is lowest score by the South African team against India in a ODI match. India should not have any issue in chasing such a small target and win the series.

I didn't think South Africa will play so bad in this match and lose the match, we thought South Africa might perform well in this match, but the result turned out to be the opposite South Africa played so badly in the match it's unbelievable the Indian bowlers left the South African batsmen so confused that the South African batsmen completely failed to play the Indian bowlers' balls.

It's part of the game but if a team like South Africa is in such a situation, you can't rely too much on their game. In the last match de Kock, Miller, R Hendricks and Markram none of them could score 10 runs. So how to expect big score. This match may write down in history as a match of poor performance.

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India VS South Africa

The two teams meet again in today's series-clinching match. India won the toss and decided to bowl. And South Africa did not start their innings well. They lost the crucial wicket of de Kock by just 7 runs. And Malan returned to the dressing room with 25 runs. They lost two openers for just 25 runs in 7.5 overs. It looks like we will see a low score in this match as well. As Indian batsmen are in great form now. So India's chances of winning today's match as well as the previous match are high. The series is likely to be won by India. South African batsmen's performance against Indian bowlers is not very good.

Unfortunately, African cricket capitulate helplessly to Indian cricket. So far, they have lost 7 wickets and managed to score only 94 runs in 25.2 overs. It can be said that their beginning is through distraction. In the condition of the match, India can definitely win. And through this victory, the ODI series was also won. It can be said that their matches against South Africa were tremendous in this session.

Indian bowlers completely dominated the match. I was expecting the South African side to go beyond 100 but unfortunately their batting order collapsed. This is lowest score by the South African team against India in a ODI match. India should not have any issue in chasing such a small target and win the series.

I didn't think South Africa will play so bad in this match and lose the match, we thought South Africa might perform well in this match, but the result turned out to be the opposite South Africa played so badly in the match it's unbelievable the Indian bowlers left the South African batsmen so confused that the South African batsmen completely failed to play the Indian bowlers' balls.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on October 11, 2022, 04:03:01 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on October 11, 2022, 08:32:03 AM

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I guess now no one will talk about BCCI making some shady deal with the CSA in regards to giving them some free qualification points by fielding their 2nd string team (or fixing).

Which we heard when India lost the 1st match.

We only hear baseless conspiracy theories most of the time here in the forum and they can satisfy themselves by claiming that they knew the tournament was fixed and since the BCCI knew that everyone knew it was fixed and hence they asked CSA to comply with their demands and hence they were all out for 99 runs Cheesy

. I wont be surprised if anyone comes out with that claim as well because i am seeing a lot of these theories for the past several months Wink

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Don't know why some people are unable to admit that India can win

And they come up with all these theories which have no meaning at all. South Africa displayed very poor performance yesterday and were all out for 99 runs. Heinrich Klaasen from South Africa was the top scorer with 34 runs.
Kuldeep Yadav took four wickets in the match and was the man of the match.

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These kinds of theories are pretty funny and good for a laugh but sometimes I find it very distasteful and out of context.

But anyway you can't change anyone's mind and it's nice to have diverse opinions in a discussion, whether you agree or not.

Another thing is that if the match is fixed, why South Africa had to play so badly so everyone knows that it is a fixed match or everyone starts speculating it about. How about fixing a match, getting all out at 180 runs, and then lose? No one will complain it was match fixing.
Next they they wana do match fixing, tell them this.

If the results are not according to your wish, people start screaming Match Fixed, Strange, insn't?

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Quote from: BobK71 on October 11, 2022, 10:51:17 AM

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Quote from: Haunebu on October 11, 2022, 08:24:10 AM

What the heck just happened? 99 all out in an ODI when they comfortably scored 300+ runs in recent matches? I did expect India to win in the final, but this is just ridiculous. This was a warm-up match for India.

The bowler that impressed me the most throughout this series is Kuldeep Yadav who consistently grabbed wickets at great economies.

I guess now no one will talk about BCCI making some shady deal with the CSA in regards to giving them some free qualification points by fielding their 2nd string team (or fixing).

Which we heard when India lost the 1st match.

These are often considered as rumors. Fixing can happen when playing against a franchise team any supper league. But bring such a allegations at the international level is never credible. Since this is an international match, no one will compromise national interest for money.

In franchise cricket it happens. In international cricket several times there were rumours, but we don't know how far it is true. As India holds strong position in decision making it is obvious to see people having such beliefs over match fixing and change of results. In the first match even a person who doesn't have idea about cricket will term it a fixed match making a clear visual of each players performance. In the second match India played in a way to make those people believe that there is nothing wrong in the first match.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on October 11, 2022, 04:03:01 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on October 11, 2022, 08:32:03 AM

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I guess now no one will talk about BCCI making some shady deal with the CSA in regards to giving them some free qualification points by fielding their 2nd string team (or fixing).

Which we heard when India lost the 1st match.

We only hear baseless conspiracy theories most of the time here in the forum and they can satisfy themselves by claiming that they knew the tournament was fixed and since the BCCI knew that everyone knew it was fixed they asked CSA to comply with their demands and hence they were all out for 99 runs Cheesy

. I wont be surprised if anyone comes out with that claim as well because i am seeing a lot of these theories for the past several months Wink

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These kinds of theories are pretty funny and good for a laugh but sometimes I find it very distasteful and out of context.

But anyway you can't change anyone's mind and it's nice to have diverse opinions in a discussion, whether you agree or not.

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