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Quote from: kro55 on November 02, 2022, 08:02:00 AM

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A major problem with most cricket boards around the world is that they are more interested in making money rather than doing what is right for the team as a whole. I am aware that a lot of countries including Bangladesh have a lot of money available to them for the development of cricket boards. Despite this, they are still not doing well in cricket due to the corrupt personnel who are behind the scenes.

Are you watching the matches, Bangladesh have a good bowling line up and it is the best they have in their history and you think that they are not improving in finding quality players. How about the performance of Taskin Ahmed, Mustafizur Rahman. Development is not an instant process, it takes time grooming a generation of players right from the school days.

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Many people who love cricket can guess what is the current situation of cricket. Not only Bangladesh also Many countries around the world now use cricket as a means of earning source of money. There is a widening gap between cricket spectators and policy makers. Moreover, the board has no focus on making a cricketer. Politics will continue to exist in cricket but when it affects the existence of the game, no one can understand the direction of its future.

All the sporting events globally are played to attract audience and generate income.

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Quote from: kro55 on November 02, 2022, 08:02:00 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on November 01, 2022, 09:50:21 PM

Quote from: kro55 on November 01, 2022, 04:42:36 PM

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It is very hard for every cricket board to make even one squad late alone make a different squad for a different format of cricket.

Just look at Bangladesh. They have been playing for so long but still they are not able to make separate teams for separate cricket formats.
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It is not a problem that is unique with Bangladesh. Teams such as Sri Lanka and West Indies also face the same issue. Nowadays the focus is solely on the T20 format, and we no longer have players who are tailor made for other formats such as Dale Steyn and Shivnarine Chanderpaul. As a result, the boards are being forced to recruit players who are more suitable for T20 format to their ODI and test squads. And in the domestic sector also, now there is not much focus on the 4-day and 50-over formats.

It is true that the only cricket boards that are receiving a great deal of money and making a lot of money, as well as those who are very passionate about improving the team as a whole and are also trying to improve their results in the future, are the ones who are setting up different squads for different formats of the game.

A major problem with most cricket boards around the world is that they are more interested in making money rather than doing what is right for the team as a whole. I am aware that a lot of countries including Bangladesh have a lot of money available to them for the development of cricket boards. Despite this, they are still not doing well in cricket due to the corrupt personnel who are behind the scenes.

Many people who love cricket can guess what is the current situation of cricket. Not only Bangladesh also Many countries around the world now use cricket as a means of earning source of money. There is a widening gap between cricket spectators and policy makers. Moreover, the board has no focus on making a cricketer. Politics will continue to exist in cricket but when it affects the existence of the game, no one can understand the direction of its future.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on November 01, 2022, 09:50:21 PM

Quote from: kro55 on November 01, 2022, 04:42:36 PM

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It is very hard for every cricket board to make even one squad late alone make a different squad for a different format of cricket.

Just look at Bangladesh. They have been playing for so long but still they are not able to make separate teams for separate cricket formats.
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It is not a problem that is unique with Bangladesh. Teams such as Sri Lanka and West Indies also face the same issue. Nowadays the focus is solely on the T20 format, and we no longer have players who are tailor made for other formats such as Dale Steyn and Shivnarine Chanderpaul. As a result, the boards are being forced to recruit players who are more suitable for T20 format to their ODI and test squads. And in the domestic sector also, now there is not much focus on the 4-day and 50-over formats.

It is true that the only cricket boards that are receiving a great deal of money and making a lot of money, as well as those who are very passionate about improving the team as a whole and are also trying to improve their results in the future, are the ones who are setting up different squads for different formats of the game.

A major problem with most cricket boards around the world is that they are more interested in making money rather than doing what is right for the team as a whole. I am aware that a lot of countries including Bangladesh have a lot of money available to them for the development of cricket boards. Despite this, they are still not doing well in cricket due to the corrupt personnel who are behind the scenes.

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Quote from: kro55 on November 01, 2022, 04:42:36 PM

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It is very hard for every cricket board to make even one squad late alone make a different squad for a different format of cricket.

Just look at Bangladesh. They have been playing for so long but still they are not able to make separate teams for separate cricket formats.
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It is not a problem that is unique with Bangladesh. Teams such as Sri Lanka and West Indies also face the same issue. Nowadays the focus is solely on the T20 format, and we no longer have players who are tailor made for other formats such as Dale Steyn and Shivnarine Chanderpaul. As a result, the boards are being forced to recruit players who are more suitable for T20 format to their ODI and test squads. And in the domestic sector also, now there is not much focus on the 4-day and 50-over formats.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 31, 2022, 11:00:19 PM

Quote from: YinShuiSiYuan on October 22, 2022, 08:09:27 AM

T20 World cup is in progress that's why there isn't any ODI going on any test country. Only big boards like Aus , England or India can afford such tournaments in there domestic setups. There isn't any attraction for test and ODI these days and these formats are not financially beneficial for boards.

Ideally this should not happen. Boards should have separate squads for test, ODI and T20. But from what we have seen, only one or two countries such as India and England can afford to do so. And in countries such as Zimbabwe, they have the same squad for all the three formats. And this is detrimental to the future of all the three varieties. There are older fans, who don't like the T20 format. Since there have been any cricket other than T20 during the last 3-4 months, these guys will be left without any means of entertainment from cricket.

It is very hard for every cricket board to make even one squad late alone make a different squad for a different format of cricket.

Just look at Bangladesh. They have been playing for so long but still they are not able to make separate teams for separate cricket formats.

Actually, that could have been possible if cricket had a base like football in the league setup. But they don't have anything like that.

It will be hard for any cricket board to make three separate teams for 3 separate formats. Especially for the smaller cricket boards. Another problem is when there is only one team which is doing very well we can often see that the players have problems with the cricket board and teams fall apart. Imagine what can happen if there are three cricket teams playing regularly as the national team of a single cricket board.

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Quote from: YinShuiSiYuan on October 22, 2022, 08:09:27 AM

T20 World cup is in progress that's why there isn't any ODI going on any test country. Only big boards like Aus , England or India can afford such tournaments in there domestic setups. There isn't any attraction for test and ODI these days and these formats are not financially beneficial for boards.

Ideally this should not happen. Boards should have separate squads for test, ODI and T20. But from what we have seen, only one or two countries such as India and England can afford to do so. And in countries such as Zimbabwe, they have the same squad for all the three formats. And this is detrimental to the future of all the three varieties. There are older fans, who don't like the T20 format. Since there have been any cricket other than T20 during the last 3-4 months, these guys will be left without any means of entertainment from cricket.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 21, 2022, 09:24:39 PM

Yeah.. the Marsh Cup is ongoing in Australia and at this point I believe that it is the only 50-over tournament going on in any of the test nations. Right now Tasmania is on top of the table with 10 points from 3 matches. Western Australia has won both their matches and will go up to the first place in case they win this match against Victoria. On the other hand, two of the strongest teams (Queensland Bulls and New South Wales) are languishing at the bottom of the points table with 0 points. BTW, Mackenzie Harvey got out just now, for 28.

T20 World cup is in progress that's why there isn't any ODI going on any test country. Only big boards like Aus , England or India can afford such tournaments in there domestic setups. There isn't any attraction for test and ODI these days and these formats are not financially beneficial for boards.

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Victoria vs Western Australia, eighth match begins. But this match is supposed to be 50 overs but due to rain they have to play 36 overs in this match. Victoria is batting now. They scored 30 runs in 6 overs. And Victoria did not lose any wickets. Mackenzie Harvey scored 13 runs off 20 balls.

Yeah.. the Marsh Cup is ongoing in Australia and at this point I believe that it is the only 50-over tournament going on in any of the test nations. Right now Tasmania is on top of the table with 10 points from 3 matches. Western Australia has won both their matches and will go up to the first place in case they win this match against Victoria.

The match between Victoria and Western Australia turned out to be very competitive. The Western Australian players were in good form. They won the first two matches. So I thought they might win today's match and continue the streak and go to the top of the table. But the performance of Victoria's batsmen was outstanding. Every batsman of Victoria batted well. Especially Matthew Short's innings of 75 off 59 balls were much needed. Victoria has given a huge target of 245 runs in 36 overs. Victoria looks more likely to win. Western Australia must score 6.77 runs per over to win, which is very difficult.

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Quote from: rojan on October 21, 2022, 08:46:33 PM

Victoria vs Western Australia, eighth match begins. But this match is supposed to be 50 overs but due to rain they have to play 36 overs in this match. Victoria is batting now. They scored 30 runs in 6 overs. And Victoria did not lose any wickets. Mackenzie Harvey scored 13 runs off 20 balls.

Yeah.. the Marsh Cup is ongoing in Australia and at this point I believe that it is the only 50-over tournament going on in any of the test nations. Right now Tasmania is on top of the table with 10 points from 3 matches. Western Australia has won both their matches and will go up to the first place in case they win this match against Victoria. On the other hand, two of the strongest teams (Queensland Bulls and New South Wales) are languishing at the bottom of the points table with 0 points. BTW, Mackenzie Harvey got out just now, for 28.

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Victoria vs Western Australia, eighth match begins. But this match is supposed to be 50 overs but due to rain they have to play 36 overs in this match. Victoria is batting now. They scored 30 runs in 6 overs. And Victoria did not lose any wickets. Mackenzie Harvey scored 13 runs off 20 balls.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 21, 2022, 10:05:20 AM

^^^ No ODI matches are going on at this moment, and that is why the topic got diverted. BTW, things are getting heated up in the ICC Cricket World Cup Super League. There is still no clarity on who will finish at the 8th position. The first 7 slots are finalized and the following countries have therefore qualified to the ODI World Cup in 2023: India, England, Australia, Bangladesh, Pakistan, New Zealand and Afghanistan. Four countries are in contention for the 8th slot: West Indies, Ireland, Sri Lanka and South Africa. Among them, Sri Lanka and South Africa has the maximum chances.

Good points, and thanks for the change of topic now after few hours we are going to be involved in a big war which is already complete their all spots but here in ODI we have just one good series after this world cup which is going to have some impact on CWC League table, and it's going to play between Sri Lanka vs Afghanistan even have one more New Zealand vs India

But, it's not going to have any impact on this table, so we have one series and after this again long rest and then procedure will start as we will be near to another world cup which is going to play in 2023 in India and Jay Shah son of Ameet Shah already start heated comments about this with saying India will not travel to Pakistan for Asia Cup.

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^^^ No ODI matches are going on at this moment, and that is why the topic got diverted. BTW, things are getting heated up in the ICC Cricket World Cup Super League. There is still no clarity on who will finish at the 8th position. The first 7 slots are finalized and the following countries have therefore qualified to the ODI World Cup in 2023: India, England, Australia, Bangladesh, Pakistan, New Zealand and Afghanistan. Four countries are in contention for the 8th slot: West Indies, Ireland, Sri Lanka and South Africa. Among them, Sri Lanka and South Africa has the maximum chances.

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Quote from: Ayers on October 21, 2022, 01:07:25 AM

Democracy is almost nonexistent in a lot of countries right now which are basically the sponsors of democracy. Obviously, the countries are run by either big-time mafias or big-time businessmen. They are only interested in money, nothing more, and they don't care about anything else. It is also obvious that the media is also controlled by them in a similar way. As a result, people generally have no bad impressions and no negative ideas about them. Or even worse people actually don't have any idea about them. All the politicians are very corrupt. They only care about money. That is a big reason why most countries are facing big problems.

Democracy is only visible in the name. In the pages of a book or in the constitution of a country. But in reality nothing of this is constant. And almost all of us know this picture and politicians believe in intransigence in the name of democracy. Its influence is now eternal and in cricket has now taken a huge shape. Good cricketers are disappearing and corrupt people are taking control of cricket. All in all, it can be said that the doom of cricket is approaching.

Friends, we are here just for cricket particularly about format ODI, but things are going into wrong way even this is also related to sports and cricket but still we need to change this topic and if someone wants to talk about democracy then surely he can create topic in political discussion which is just for this all thanks for understanding.

Now in near future we have no ODI game which is talk able here so better don't bump this thread is better for all of us because if we started this politics then surely things can go into wrong way which is not good for all of us here in India and Pakistan peoples are furious and mostly started things which are surely not suitable for this topic.

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Quote from: SATWAT on October 20, 2022, 02:50:34 PM

We have no democracy in any country mostly controlled by Agencies and mafias and few which are powerful using their power and influence for having soft image as media is also controlled by them, and they can do anything with this all. For me this 24 seconds video is best to give them a good lesson which are saying USA and India are the best democracies in world. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIo6CcIfI6Y

Democracy is almost nonexistent in a lot of countries right now which are basically the sponsors of democracy. Obviously, the countries are run by either big-time mafias or big-time businessmen. They are only interested in money, nothing more, and they don't care about anything else. It is also obvious that the media is also controlled by them in a similar way. As a result, people generally have no bad impressions and no negative ideas about them. Or even worse people actually don't have any idea about them. All the politicians are very corrupt. They only care about money. That is a big reason why most countries are facing big problems.

Democracy is only visible in the name. In the pages of a book or in the constitution of a country. But in reality nothing of this is constant. And almost all of us know this picture and politicians believe in intransigence in the name of democracy. Its influence is now eternal and in cricket has now taken a huge shape. Good cricketers are disappearing and corrupt people are taking control of cricket. All in all, it can be said that the doom of cricket is approaching.

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Quote from: SATWAT on October 20, 2022, 02:50:34 PM

We have no democracy in any country mostly controlled by Agencies and mafias and few which are powerful using their power and influence for having soft image as media is also controlled by them, and they can do anything with this all. For me this 24 seconds video is best to give them a good lesson which are saying USA and India are the best democracies in world. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIo6CcIfI6Y

Democracy is almost nonexistent in a lot of countries right now which are basically the sponsors of democracy. Obviously, the countries are run by either big-time mafias or big-time businessmen. They are only interested in money, nothing more, and they don't care about anything else. It is also obvious that the media is also controlled by them in a similar way. As a result, people generally have no bad impressions and no negative ideas about them. Or even worse people actually don't have any idea about them. All the politicians are very corrupt. They only care about money. That is a big reason why most countries are facing big problems.

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Quote from: SirLancelot on October 18, 2022, 10:10:10 AM

I agree with these all points but still we have to accept this thing right now BCCI is most powerful and richest board in the cricketing world but still one tag is also going with this which is surely not good as its also one of the most shit place as well because you have to do things for having support from politicians, and then you have to manage things which are not favourable to your enemy country because if you are not going to do things like these then surely you are not favourable person, and surely you could be down and out without any solid reason quickly.
Even mostly saying India is one of the biggest democracy but still not near this tag because they have many things which are not favourable for them, but they have to do because they never want to give any positive clue to others which is surely not good for this all hopefully we will have better and fair things in near future and this could be in better shape which is important for the development of this game and having more profitable for all cricketing fans around the India and world which is expecting good positive role from them.

I doubt India has true democracy. If India had democracy the Indian people wouldn't be so afraid of talking about anything dislikable about the government. Based on media reports, it seems, if anyone even shares a meme about Modi, he is liable to be in big trouble very soon. That is not true democracy. And it is quite hard to be the president of the cricket board of such a country where there is no democracy to be honest and where people are also crazy about cricket. Because if you make even the simplest of mistakes you might be punished severely and also hated by the fans.

Another thing is even if a person does very well as the president of BCCI if he has any problems with any politicians they are determined to make sure that he is hated by the people through the media.

We have no democracy in any country mostly controlled by Agencies and mafias and few which are powerful using their power and influence for having soft image as media is also controlled by them, and they can do anything with this all. For me this 24 seconds video is best to give them a good lesson which are saying USA and India are the best democracies in world. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIo6CcIfI6Y

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Quote from: SirLancelot on October 18, 2022, 10:10:10 AM

I agree with these all points but still we have to accept this thing right now BCCI is most powerful and richest board in the cricketing world but still one tag is also going with this which is surely not good as its also one of the most shit place as well because you have to do things for having support from politicians, and then you have to manage things which are not favourable to your enemy country because if you are not going to do things like these then surely you are not favourable person, and surely you could be down and out without any solid reason quickly.
Even mostly saying India is one of the biggest democracy but still not near this tag because they have many things which are not favourable for them, but they have to do because they never want to give any positive clue to others which is surely not good for this all hopefully we will have better and fair things in near future and this could be in better shape which is important for the development of this game and having more profitable for all cricketing fans around the India and world which is expecting good positive role from them.

I doubt India has true democracy. If India had democracy the Indian people wouldn't be so afraid of talking about anything dislikable about the government. Based on media reports, it seems, if anyone even shares a meme about Modi, he is liable to be in big trouble very soon. That is not true democracy. And it is quite hard to be the president of the cricket board of such a country where there is no democracy to be honest and where people are also crazy about cricket. Because if you make even the simplest of mistakes you might be punished severely and also hated by the fans.

Another thing is even if a person does very well as the president of BCCI if he has any problems with any politicians they are determined to make sure that he is hated by the people through the media.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 19, 2022, 08:44:21 PM

^^^ Bygones are bygones. I don't want to further dig in to what happened between Kohli and Ganguly. Anyway, in the end it was Ganguly who suffered from the negative repercussions. BTW, I never denied the fact that Virat Kohli made India one of the giants in red-ball cricket. 5-6 years ago, India was essentially a one-man army while visiting the SENA nations. Virat was the only player who could adjust to the pace and bounce, as well as the seam movement in countries such as England, Australia and New Zealand. But those times are long gone. Nowadays he is literally becoming a burden on the Indian team.

Whenever any player gets into any kind of trouble with any member or personnel of the board, people generally support the player. That's exactly what happened in the case of Virat Kohli and Ganguly. I am not saying that Ganguly was not the one to blame. Obviously, even I supported Virat Kohli at that time. At the same time, it is true that Virat Kohli got a lot of chances that he probably did not deserve. And Ganguly also did not do the best that anyone could do at that moment.

I want to see some change in mentality when Binny gets appointed as the president of BCCI. Otherwise, it is going to be the same old story again. I am not sure how it will turn out. But I certainly think that he should learn from the mistakes of previous presidents. He should always prioritize improvement over money.

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Quote from: BobK71 on October 20, 2022, 12:03:27 AM

The entire cricket world was impressed by the support that Virat Kohli once gave to the Indian team. His performances were commendable and he also make world records in various fields. And because of all these reasons, he is being given various opportunities in the Indian team, but he is failing to grab that opportunity again and again. On the other hand, some cricketers are in great form. So there is nothing to do. Because there is no place for emotion in cricket. In that case, he is naturally a big burden for the Indian team.

Everyone have their ups and downs. But then, you can't keep someone who has been performing poorly for many years in the squad, just because he won a few matches for the team a long time back. That would be unfair to the younger players. And at this point, there is a fierce competition in the Indian team for the no.3 slot. So far the selectors have sticked to Kohli, despite his poor form. But they should not continue that for an infinite period of time. Kohli needs to be given a clear message that he will perish if the performance doesn't improve.

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Quote from: BobK71 on October 20, 2022, 12:03:27 AM

The entire cricket world was impressed by the support that Virat Kohli once gave to the Indian team. His performances were commendable and he also make world records in various fields. And because of all these reasons, he is being given various opportunities in the Indian team, but he is failing to grab that opportunity again and again. On the other hand, some cricketers are in great form. So there is nothing to do. Because there is no place for emotion in cricket. In that case, he is naturally a big burden for the Indian team.

Here I agreed with this all statement which is praising Virat Kohli and his ability which help India to have their best time in all formats but you guys are missing one person who done more than Virat Kohli, and he is MS Dhoni because this was not possible without his brave leadership he is surely until now one of the best captains in Indian cricket history and his achievements could be remembered for long time these both quality players done amazing stuff for their country and have too many records which are surely now going to be stayed for long time.

After Dhoni they are having few troubles and then suddenly we have bad time for Virat Kohli which is going until now and many are feeling now he is burden on Indian team which is right and with this all I am feeling now it's time for him to do some decision and take retirement from two formats ODI and T-20 with give time to IPL and just test matches which can give him better result.

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