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Quote from: BobK71 on December 09, 2022, 04:52:27 AM

It is an important point you find that is if they play warmup matches they would be able to get a better idea of the pitch. Then maybe there would not have been such a disaster. Definitely it would be a great lesson for them. They should not think of any opponent as small or weak. I just want replacing one instead of Kohli in the upcoming match that will not be bad either. I am sure if India can throw the target of 300 runs then they will definitely lose the match. But in this regard, the Indian team management has definitely given good direction to the cricketers what has to do.

Yes this is right. We should not take easy the opponent team. Opponent team can be well prepared.
By the way I was surprised when I saw the Winning Probability of both teams for the next match.
Bangladesh has already won two matches and the winning probability is showing the winning rate of Indian team 69%.
I know this is only guess but it surprised me. Shocked

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Quote from: Sithara007 on December 09, 2022, 04:28:13 AM

I don't know whether the Indians will be a lot worried about getting whitewashed. They came to Bangladesh without much preparations and refused to play any warmup matches. And in the first match itself, there was no urgency from the part of the Indian batsmen despite losing wickets regularly. They were not serious about their opponents and thought that it will be a cakewalk. And they hardly learnt any lessons from the first match. Even in the second match they showed no seriousness and let the match drift away from their control.

Warm-up matches for the limited-overs bilateral series? In my memory, I've never seen any team playing warm-up fixtures before any tournament unless it's a World Cup or Test bilateral. (Ind A is already playing warm-up matches)

These losses could be a blessing in disguise before WC, and in a way might help with the selection Huh

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India have already lost the series by losing two consecutive matches. If they make one more mistake it will be whitewash. Which could be a dark chapter for India. So I think it is logical that they should be reorganize around the upcoming match. Spin ball will be effective. The way Shakib Al Hasan is getting wickets can be something like that even if India brings a spinner in the team. But there is no alternative for India to win the next match.

I don't know whether the Indians will be a lot worried about getting whitewashed. They came to Bangladesh without much preparations and refused to play any warmup matches. And in the first match itself, there was no urgency from the part of the Indian batsmen despite losing wickets regularly. They were not serious about their opponents and thought that it will be a cakewalk. And they hardly learnt any lessons from the first match. Even in the second match they showed no seriousness and let the match drift away from their control.

It is an important point you find that is if they play warmup matches they would be able to get a better idea of the pitch. Then maybe there would not have been such a disaster. Definitely it would be a great lesson for them. They should not think of any opponent as small or weak. I just want replacing one instead of Kohli in the upcoming match that will not be bad either. I am sure if India can throw the target of 300 runs then they will definitely lose the match. But in this regard, the Indian team management has definitely given good direction to the cricketers what has to do.

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Quote from: BobK71 on December 09, 2022, 03:49:29 AM

India have already lost the series by losing two consecutive matches. If they make one more mistake it will be whitewash. Which could be a dark chapter for India. So I think it is logical that they should be reorganize around the upcoming match. Spin ball will be effective. The way Shakib Al Hasan is getting wickets can be something like that even if India brings a spinner in the team. But there is no alternative for India to win the next match.

I don't know whether the Indians will be a lot worried about getting whitewashed. They came to Bangladesh without much preparations and refused to play any warmup matches. And in the first match itself, there was no urgency from the part of the Indian batsmen despite losing wickets regularly. They were not serious about their opponents and thought that it will be a cakewalk. And they hardly learnt any lessons from the first match. Even in the second match they showed no seriousness and let the match drift away from their control.

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Quote from: fuguebtc on December 09, 2022, 01:16:31 AM

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Bangladesh vs India, 3rd ODI will start at Zahur Ahmed Chowdhury Stadium in Chittagong. There is definitely a difference between the stadium in Mirpur and the stadium in Chittagong and we can expect a big win for India at that place. Virat Kohil will also perform well. If so, then the criticism of Virat Kohli will end. However, he has not been able to find his performance in the team for a long time, so I think it is very logical to keep him out of the national team even for a short period and should give a chance to someone else.

The pitch at Chittagong is normally supportive of spin-bowling, right? The series is already lost, and I would like the Indian management to give chances to some of the players who are currently resting on the bench - Rajat Patidar and Rahul Tripathi with the bat, and Kuldeep Sen with the ball. Siraj and Umran were disappointing during the second match and I hope that Kuldeep Sen will be fit by the time of third ODI. I am not sure whether Shahbaz Ahmed will get another chance, as Axar Patel has been in excellent touch.

Most pitches in Mirpur and Chittagong are spin bowling friendly. In Mirpur too we saw that India did not prioritize the spin bowlers. India management should have given chance to spin bowlers. But they don't do it. India was badly defeated in both the matches. They could have defeated the Bangladesh team in both the matches if they got some more help from the bowlers. In the last match, probably the Indian management will not make mistakes. They will make some changes within their squad. The spin bowlers are likely to be given a chance, as they have already lost the series. India will definitely not want to lose all the matches in the series.

India have already lost the series by losing two consecutive matches. If they make one more mistake it will be whitewash. Which could be a dark chapter for India. So I think it is logical that they should be reorganize around the upcoming match. Spin ball will be effective. The way Shakib Al Hasan is getting wickets can be something like that even if India brings a spinner in the team. But there is no alternative for India to win the next match.

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Quote from: fuguebtc on December 09, 2022, 01:16:31 AM

Most pitches in Mirpur and Chittagong are spin bowling friendly. In Mirpur too we saw that India did not prioritize the spin bowlers. India management should have given chance to spin bowlers. But they don't do it. India was badly defeated in both the matches. They could have defeated the Bangladesh team in both the matches if they got some more help from the bowlers. In the last match, probably the Indian management will not make mistakes. They will make some changes within their squad. The spin bowlers are likely to be given a chance, as they have already lost the series. India will definitely not want to lose all the matches in the series.

I don't think that spinners such as Axar and Shahbaz are suitable for these conditions. I would have preferred someone like Ravichandran Ashwin or even Yuzvendra Chahal. Washington Sundar did his job well, but the same can't be said about the performance from Axar/Shahbaz in the first two matches. Also, the Indian selectors need to decide whether they want good spinners who can't bat much, or average spinners who can contribute with the bat in the lower order. The preference as of now seems to be for the latter category.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on December 08, 2022, 11:45:51 PM

Quote from: BobK71 on December 08, 2022, 11:04:27 PM

Bangladesh vs India, 3rd ODI will start at Zahur Ahmed Chowdhury Stadium in Chittagong. There is definitely a difference between the stadium in Mirpur and the stadium in Chittagong and we can expect a big win for India at that place. Virat Kohil will also perform well. If so, then the criticism of Virat Kohli will end. However, he has not been able to find his performance in the team for a long time, so I think it is very logical to keep him out of the national team even for a short period and should give a chance to someone else.

The pitch at Chittagong is normally supportive of spin-bowling, right? The series is already lost, and I would like the Indian management to give chances to some of the players who are currently resting on the bench - Rajat Patidar and Rahul Tripathi with the bat, and Kuldeep Sen with the ball. Siraj and Umran were disappointing during the second match and I hope that Kuldeep Sen will be fit by the time of third ODI. I am not sure whether Shahbaz Ahmed will get another chance, as Axar Patel has been in excellent touch.

Most pitches in Mirpur and Chittagong are spin bowling friendly. In Mirpur too we saw that India did not prioritize the spin bowlers. India management should have given chance to spin bowlers. But they don't do it. India was badly defeated in both the matches. They could have defeated the Bangladesh team in both the matches if they got some more help from the bowlers. In the last match, probably the Indian management will not make mistakes. They will make some changes within their squad. The spin bowlers are likely to be given a chance, as they have already lost the series. India will definitely not want to lose all the matches in the series.

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Quote from: BobK71 on December 08, 2022, 11:04:27 PM

Bangladesh vs India, 3rd ODI will start at Zahur Ahmed Chowdhury Stadium in Chittagong. There is definitely a difference between the stadium in Mirpur and the stadium in Chittagong and we can expect a big win for India at that place. Virat Kohil will also perform well. If so, then the criticism of Virat Kohli will end. However, he has not been able to find his performance in the team for a long time, so I think it is very logical to keep him out of the national team even for a short period and should give a chance to someone else.

The pitch at Chittagong is normally supportive of spin-bowling, right? The series is already lost, and I would like the Indian management to give chances to some of the players who are currently resting on the bench - Rajat Patidar and Rahul Tripathi with the bat, and Kuldeep Sen with the ball. Siraj and Umran were disappointing during the second match and I hope that Kuldeep Sen will be fit by the time of third ODI. I am not sure whether Shahbaz Ahmed will get another chance, as Axar Patel has been in excellent touch.

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Bangladesh vs India, 3rd ODI will start at Zahur Ahmed Chowdhury Stadium in Chittagong. There is definitely a difference between the stadium in Mirpur and the stadium in Chittagong and we can expect a big win for India at that place. Virat Kohil will also perform well. If so, then the criticism of Virat Kohli will end. However, he has not been able to find his performance in the team for a long time, so I think it is very logical to keep him out of the national team even for a short period and should give a chance to someone else.

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^^^ The real problem here is not the poor form from Kohli. For me, the bigger issue is that Kohli just refuses to acknowledge that he is not in good form. A lot of people have advised him to participate in domestic matches, but he is too busy with his Bollywood stunts and ad promotions to allocate any time to domestic cricket. And this always happen when someone is assured of a spot in the playing XI, irrespective of his performance. Hopefully there will be some major changes to the squad after the debacle in Bangladesh.

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Virat Kohli was out of form for two long years. However, the Indian management gave him many chances. Despite consistently poor performances, the Indian management has faith in Kohli. And Virat Kohli batted well in the last T20 World Cup. But in the ODI format now we are seeing bad batting from Kohli again. Perhaps the Indian management will give Kohli a chance till the ODI World Cup. If Kohli cannot play well in the World Cup, then he will have to leave the team.

ODI world cup is almost a year away. So you are saying that the Indian selectors should give a free run to Kohli for another year, even in case he doesn't perform? I am not sure whether that is the best thing to do. India has only one ODI super league series remaining, and that is against Afghanistan. Hopefully they will give preference to younger players in that series. Kohli has been given too many chances and persisting with him is unfair to the younger player such as Ishan Kishan, Venkatesh Iyer and Deepak Hooda.

@ilovealtcoins probably said India management will give Kohli a chance till the next World Cup. And I somewhat agree with that. I think the Indian management will give Kohli a chance. Because BCCI has given Virat Kohli plenty of opportunities despite his poor performances in the past. I don't know if BCCI has given any other player as many chances as Kohli.

But I personally think if Kohli continues this poor performance in the next series then BCCI should give another player a chance. India's management has plenty of talented players. And they deserve a place in the national team. They are not able to play in the national team due to lack of sufficient opportunities. Giving Kohli extra chances would be foolish.

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Quote from: ilovealtcoins on December 08, 2022, 08:36:25 PM

Virat Kohli was out of form for two long years. However, the Indian management gave him many chances. Despite consistently poor performances, the Indian management has faith in Kohli. And Virat Kohli batted well in the last T20 World Cup. But in the ODI format now we are seeing bad batting from Kohli again. Perhaps the Indian management will give Kohli a chance till the ODI World Cup. If Kohli cannot play well in the World Cup, then he will have to leave the team.

ODI world cup is almost a year away. So you are saying that the Indian selectors should give a free run to Kohli for another year, even in case he doesn't perform? I am not sure whether that is the best thing to do. India has only one ODI super league series remaining, and that is against Afghanistan. Hopefully they will give preference to younger players in that series. Kohli has been given too many chances and persisting with him is unfair to the younger player such as Ishan Kishan, Venkatesh Iyer and Deepak Hooda.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on December 08, 2022, 07:49:16 PM

From Bad to Worst! This guy has been struggling so much and still, he gets to play in the ODI series against Bangladesh and might also get to play in the ODIWC. He is basically eating the position of someone who can help the Indian batting lineup. BCCI selectors should forget about his past and should focus on how India can win the world cup.

In the last 7 ODIs that he played he has scored 5,9,17,16,0,18 and 8

Virat Kohli was out of form for two long years. However, the Indian management gave him many chances. Despite consistently poor performances, the Indian management has faith in Kohli. And Virat Kohli batted well in the last T20 World Cup. But in the ODI format now we are seeing bad batting from Kohli again. Perhaps the Indian management will give Kohli a chance till the ODI World Cup. If Kohli cannot play well in the World Cup, then he will have to leave the team.

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From Bad to Worst! This guy has been struggling so much and still, he gets to play in the ODI series against Bangladesh and might also get to play in the ODIWC. He is basically eating the position of someone who can help the Indian batting lineup. BCCI selectors should forget about his past and should focus on how India can win the world cup.

In the last 7 ODIs that he played he has scored 5,9,17,16,0,18 and 8

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Quote from: |MINER| on December 08, 2022, 04:50:46 PM

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Not only just this time they are playing good at their home ground I saw their previous match on their home play ground and what I've seen is that they've consistently done well in those matches except some few match. And I think with that consistency they were able to beat India and take the series in their favour. I also thought that they also hold the ability to win 3rd ODI and make whitewash India.

Third ODI will be played in a different venue. Pitch condition will be different there. I think Indian players will do better in that condition. Bangladesh had won the previous ODI series against India by 2-1, It was played in 2015. Probably this series will end in the same way. Indian players will get huge pressure from their cricket board if they lose the third ODI as well.

Yes third ODI match is going to held on Zahur Ahmed Chowdhury Stadium but even then the the pitch is different I think Bangladesh is going also in favour in this pitch too because it's also their home ground and the pitch is spin-friendly and currently I think Bangladeshis spinners are more better than India . And there is no guarantee that history will repeat again and again. But if Bangladesh plays with a less-performance thought that they are not in pressure, I think India will have a chance.

Already history got repeated with the 2-1 win. Now new history might be created with the win of 3-0, because everything is in favour of Bangladesh. We can see the difference in the performance between the two country players. I find Bangladesh to be with more agression and dedication to win the match. With India they have got some attitude that they're the big one which is causing them the loss.

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Not only just this time they are playing good at their home ground I saw their previous match on their home play ground and what I've seen is that they've consistently done well in those matches except some few match. And I think with that consistency they were able to beat India and take the series in their favour. I also thought that they also hold the ability to win 3rd ODI and make whitewash India.

Third ODI will be played in a different venue. Pitch condition will be different there. I think Indian players will do better in that condition. Bangladesh had won the previous ODI series against India by 2-1, It was played in 2015. Probably this series will end in the same way. Indian players will get huge pressure from their cricket board if they lose the third ODI as well.

Yes third ODI match is going to held on Zahur Ahmed Chowdhury Stadium but even then the the pitch is different I think Bangladesh is going also in favour in this pitch too because it's also their home ground and the pitch is spin-friendly and currently I think Bangladeshis spinners are more better than India . And there is no guarantee that history will repeat again and again. But if Bangladesh plays with a less-performance thought that they are not in pressure, I think India will have a chance.

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Quote from: |MINER| on December 08, 2022, 02:08:45 PM

Not only just this time they are playing good at their home ground I saw their previous match on their home play ground and what I've seen is that they've consistently done well in those matches except some few match. And I think with that consistency they were able to beat India and take the series in their favour. I also thought that they also hold the ability to win 3rd ODI and make whitewash India.

Third ODI will be played in a different venue. Pitch condition will be different there. I think Indian players will do better in that condition. Bangladesh had won the previous ODI series against India by 2-1, It was played in 2015. Probably this series will end in the same way. Indian players will get huge pressure from their cricket board if they lose the third ODI as well.

Venue plays an important role. At the same time it is also to be noted that India will win the upcoming match unlike the venue. Indian players used to do the best when they're left to do independent. First ODI is an example, if the bowlers weren't given pressure they would've took the last wicket that brought 50 partnership and won the match for Bangladesh. In the second.match the loss of wickets made the players look for a way to withstand wickets and this made them miss the scoring. This time the series is lost and they'll freely play and win the match.

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Quote from: |MINER| on December 08, 2022, 02:08:45 PM

Not only just this time they are playing good at their home ground I saw their previous match on their home play ground and what I've seen is that they've consistently done well in those matches except some few match. And I think with that consistency they were able to beat India and take the series in their favour. I also thought that they also hold the ability to win 3rd ODI and make whitewash India.

Third ODI will be played in a different venue. Pitch condition will be different there. I think Indian players will do better in that condition. Bangladesh had won the previous ODI series against India by 2-1, It was played in 2015. Probably this series will end in the same way. Indian players will get huge pressure from their cricket board if they lose the third ODI as well.

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Quote from: teosanru on December 08, 2022, 03:09:22 PM

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Bangladesh is showing a different picture of playing in their own ground. They have repeatedly beaten strong cricket teams like India in ODI matches. Miraz and Mahmudullah are the keys to win the 2nd ODI for Bangladesh Against India . Both of them played very well and both of them scored 177 runs . Which gives Bangladesh another opportunity to beat India in 2nd ODI match

Not only just this time they are playing good at their home ground I saw their previous match on their home play ground and what I've seen is that they've consistently done well in those matches except some few match. And I think with that consistency they were able to beat India and take the series in their favour. I also thought that they also hold the ability to win 3rd ODI and make whitewash India.

I saw statistics in the match which showed that Bangladesh are actually the best-performing team on their home ground and they have outperformed all the other top teams in this. It's quite strange how a team performs so well on their home pitches and suddenly don't perform that well on foreign pitches may it be on the sub-continent pitches which are pretty same to their own pitches only. Maybe it's the factor of the support they get which keeps them going in these matches. Whatever it is this is actually a great defeat for India this time. Getting beaten by Bangladesh is embarrassing that also when you are sending your A-teams for foreign tours and they still manage to win but your Tier-1 team lost here.

This makes bangbros the underdog in the WC as it's in India.

Would be great if they win the tournament but i guess I'm expecting and might exaggerating a bit too much but hey they won closer encounters against India in 2 consecutive matches and it was their Achilles heel for a very long time.

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Quote from: |MINER| on December 08, 2022, 02:08:45 PM

Quote from: coinerer on December 08, 2022, 01:33:50 PM

Bangladesh is showing a different picture of playing in their own ground. They have repeatedly beaten strong cricket teams like India in ODI matches. Miraz and Mahmudullah are the keys to win the 2nd ODI for Bangladesh Against India . Both of them played very well and both of them scored 177 runs . Which gives Bangladesh another opportunity to beat India in 2nd ODI match

Not only just this time they are playing good at their home ground I saw their previous match on their home play ground and what I've seen is that they've consistently done well in those matches except some few match. And I think with that consistency they were able to beat India and take the series in their favour. I also thought that they also hold the ability to win 3rd ODI and make whitewash India.

I saw statistics in the match which showed that Bangladesh are actually the best-performing team on their home ground and they have outperformed all the other top teams in this. It's quite strange how a team performs so well on their home pitches and suddenly don't perform that well on foreign pitches may it be on the sub-continent pitches which are pretty same to their own pitches only. Maybe it's the factor of the support they get which keeps them going in these matches. Whatever it is this is actually a great defeat for India this time. Getting beaten by Bangladesh is embarrassing that also when you are sending your A-teams for foreign tours and they still manage to win but your Tier-1 team lost here.

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