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Rank  Team        Points
1)India (hosts) (Q)134
2)England 125
3)NewZealand 125
4)Australia 120
5)Bangladesh 120
6)Pakistan 120
7)Afghanistan 115
8)West Indies 88
9)Ireland 68
10)Sri Lanka 67
11)South Africa 59
12)Zimbabwe 45
13)Netherlands 25
 This is ICC Men’s Cricket World Cup rankings.
Afghanistan qualifies for world cup 2023.
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Qualifying for the ODI world cup will be extremely difficult for Sri Lanka now. With 4 matches remaining, they are at 67 points. West Indies at 8th place has 88 points, and that means that Sri Lanka needs to win at least 3 out of the remaining 4 matches (1 against Afghanistan, 3 against New Zealand). And that is not all. South Africa is at 49 points, and they have 5 matches remaining. If they win 3 out of 5, then South Africa will qualify with 89 points (2 of their remaining matches are against the weak Netherlands side).
Afghanistan have confirmed their place in the top seven after getting no result in the last ODI match due to rain. Seven teams will directly participate in the upcoming ODI World Cup, those countries are India, England, New Zealand, Australia, Bangladesh ,Pakistan and Afghanistan. But here another team will get a chance but there are a few teams to contend with including West Indies, South Africa, Sri Lanka and Ireland. Recently Sri Lanka's performance is not very satisfactory. Next year there are Test, T20 and ODI series with New Zealand. If we think in terms of current performance of New Zealand then the possibility of losing the series for Sri Lanka definitely high.
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Qualifying for the ODI world cup will be extremely difficult for Sri Lanka now. With 4 matches remaining, they are at 67 points. West Indies at 8th place has 88 points, and that means that Sri Lanka needs to win at least 3 out of the remaining 4 matches (1 against Afghanistan, 3 against New Zealand). And that is not all. South Africa is at 49 points, and they have 5 matches remaining. If they win 3 out of 5, then South Africa will qualify with 89 points (2 of their remaining matches are against the weak Netherlands side).
I doubt they will be able to win all the three matches against Newzealand. If the last match against Afghanistan had not been abandoned then they would have two games against them and it would have been a little easier for them to qualify. At the moment it is an impossible task. South Africa might get through this time I feel.
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One is a left-arm bowler and the other clocks 150s so IMO both are very important for the future.
Agreed. India's primary issue these days is that they don't have many consistent bowlers like Bumrah, Ashwin, Zaheer, Jadeja, Kumble etc across all formats which is something they need to rectify asap.

Ben Stroke has tweeted - Hello Pakistan and Indians are so jealous and tell him to take care of himself - why this kind of messages are sent from across boarder.
What the heck are you talking about shill? He mentioned that he will donate his match fees to Pakistan flood victims.
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Qualifying for the ODI world cup will be extremely difficult for Sri Lanka now. With 4 matches remaining, they are at 67 points. West Indies at 8th place has 88 points, and that means that Sri Lanka needs to win at least 3 out of the remaining 4 matches (1 against Afghanistan, 3 against New Zealand). And that is not all. South Africa is at 49 points, and they have 5 matches remaining. If they win 3 out of 5, then South Africa will qualify with 89 points (2 of their remaining matches are against the weak Netherlands side).
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There are going to be a lot of problems with covered stadiums. First of all, as JSRAW said, it is going to cost a lot of money and I don’t think ICC is ready to spend that kind of money. They are more interested in having money for themselves. And the infrastructure is going to be have to maintained properly, otherwise, there can be a lot of accidents. And another thing is there are a lot of cricket boards that cannot even afford the DRS system. So building a stadium like that is going to be very hard for them.

But it can be good for cricket in the long run. The bad system of Duckworth Lewis is not going to have any kind of affect if stadiums like that are made. But honestly, I think we are a long way away from getting stadiums like that.


Right now only Australia has grounds that is covered, rest India and England can also build such stadium but not small boards like Srilanka, Pakistan and Bangladesh. Just like no one imagined ten years ago how cricket will shift away from ODI and Test to T20, we cant say covered stadiums will never be a reality.
DRS is a good thing but DLS is something I dont understand and like at all.
Closed stadiums are the solution, but this will affect the real gaming atmosphere. As mentioned the rich cricket boards can think of it to avoid match cancellation due to poor weather conditions.

DLS according to me is good, but at time it never takes into account the quality of players left behind. Another thing, without this method more number of matches could've ended with no result. DLS is applied if certain number of overs have been played and there is possible chances of playing.
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There are going to be a lot of problems with covered stadiums. First of all, as JSRAW said, it is going to cost a lot of money and I don’t think ICC is ready to spend that kind of money. They are more interested in having money for themselves. And the infrastructure is going to be have to maintained properly, otherwise, there can be a lot of accidents. And another thing is there are a lot of cricket boards that cannot even afford the DRS system. So building a stadium like that is going to be very hard for them.
But it can be good for cricket in the long run. The bad system of Duckworth Lewis is not going to have any kind of affect if stadiums like that are made. But honestly, I think we are a long way away from getting stadiums like that.
Right now only Australia has grounds that is covered, rest India and England can also build such stadium but not small boards like Srilanka, Pakistan and Bangladesh. Just like no one imagined ten years ago how cricket will shift away from ODI and Test to T20, we cant say covered stadiums will never be a reality.
DRS is a good thing but DLS is something I dont understand and like at all.

As far as cricket is concerned, there is no way a covered stadium is supposed to be possible. In order to cope with the rain, the ICC will have to find another solution. At the moment, the best way to go about getting that done is to reserve a date for the major matches, which is the best way to go about it. Other than that, I don't think there are any other options that will work because either they are too expensive or they are simply too unrealistic to be a viable option.
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Just out of curiosity i want to ask you guys what do you think about covered criket stadiums? Is there a possibility that these could be the future? I understand that permanently covered stadiums are obviously not practical as pitches need a lot of sunlight for preparation. But some sort of infrastructure where the sheds can be opened and closed. This obviously will be pretty costly but would be worth the cost for sure.
Covered stadiums do solve this problem but it also presents different challenges as well.

These stadiums are costly. Australia built one back in 2000s and the cost was around $300 Million. You can imagine how much it would cost now, a conservative estimate should be around Billion dollars. Not every board can afford it, even BCCI.

Having said that if these stadiums host multiple sports throughout the year then there is a chance this idea could work because you don't want billion dollar stadium only hosting 5 matches every year (15-20 events should cover the cost)

For sunlight issue, drop in pitches looks okay.

There are going to be a lot of problems with covered stadiums. First of all, as JSRAW said, it is going to cost a lot of money and I don’t think ICC is ready to spend that kind of money. They are more interested in having money for themselves. And the infrastructure is going to be have to maintained properly, otherwise, there can be a lot of accidents. And another thing is there are a lot of cricket boards that cannot even afford the DRS system. So building a stadium like that is going to be very hard for them.

But it can be good for cricket in the long run. The bad system of Duckworth Lewis is not going to have any kind of affect if stadiums like that are made. But honestly, I think we are a long way away from getting stadiums like that.

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There are going to be a lot of problems with covered stadiums. First of all, as JSRAW said, it is going to cost a lot of money and I don’t think ICC is ready to spend that kind of money. They are more interested in having money for themselves. And the infrastructure is going to be have to maintained properly, otherwise, there can be a lot of accidents. And another thing is there are a lot of cricket boards that cannot even afford the DRS system. So building a stadium like that is going to be very hard for them.

But it can be good for cricket in the long run. The bad system of Duckworth Lewis is not going to have any kind of affect if stadiums like that are made. But honestly, I think we are a long way away from getting stadiums like that.


Right now only Australia has grounds that is covered, rest India and England can also build such stadium but not small boards like Srilanka, Pakistan and Bangladesh. Just like no one imagined ten years ago how cricket will shift away from ODI and Test to T20, we cant say covered stadiums will never be a reality.
DRS is a good thing but DLS is something I dont understand and like at all.
Covered stadiums are often on everyone's mind lately. It is currently only in Australia but we may see more stadiums like this in the future. Maybe in Pakistan Bangladesh or Sri Lanka it will be a big problem due to budget but i think India is capable to made it in their country.
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Likes of Bumrah, Shaheen, Rauf etc are also choked during critical moments so it's not just Arshdeep but overall he did a satisfactory job. In T-20 format he's a good bet for India (still new in ODI so not sure).

Umran is just 4 international matches old (3 T-20 and 1 ODI) so he has a long road ahead of him. Well, Siraj won't make it into T-20 squad tbh.
Another point here is that bowlers like Bumrah and Shaheen Shah Afridi are particularly amazing in the powerplay while I never saw that sort of spark in Arshdeep.

I just feel that Umran has a lot more potential than Arshdeep and can be deadly if groomed properly.

Arshdeep's powerplay bowling numbers are more impressive when compared with his death bowling and he already proved this in T-20 WC.

So I don't know bhai what kind of spark you are looking for. Umran does have potential if he can control his line n length, which he'll learn for sure.

One is a left-arm bowler and the other clocks 150s so IMO both are very important for the future.
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There are going to be a lot of problems with covered stadiums. First of all, as JSRAW said, it is going to cost a lot of money and I don’t think ICC is ready to spend that kind of money. They are more interested in having money for themselves. And the infrastructure is going to be have to maintained properly, otherwise, there can be a lot of accidents. And another thing is there are a lot of cricket boards that cannot even afford the DRS system. So building a stadium like that is going to be very hard for them.

But it can be good for cricket in the long run. The bad system of Duckworth Lewis is not going to have any kind of affect if stadiums like that are made. But honestly, I think we are a long way away from getting stadiums like that.


Right now only Australia has grounds that is covered, rest India and England can also build such stadium but not small boards like Srilanka, Pakistan and Bangladesh. Just like no one imagined ten years ago how cricket will shift away from ODI and Test to T20, we cant say covered stadiums will never be a reality.
DRS is a good thing but DLS is something I dont understand and like at all.
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It would have been an easy task if they built more closed roof stadiums and they have the budget to make it happen, but they don't primarily because they are corrupt and focus on stealing as much money as they can for themselves.

I am not sure about the exact reason but budget is not an issue for the ICC or any other Local Board in Cricket as far i know cricket is one of the most watched sports in Asia for an example IND vs PAK T20I match 90k audience and rumors were not even a single seat was empty and all were sold in 15 mins imagine the money they made just by selling Tickets from the single Match.
In this regard i would say not only T20 also ODIs and Tests are the most desirable if India and Pakistan play. I don't know is there any situation can be happen with any other team. But a sad thing is that despite having such a huge market, there is no series between these two teams. I think it is lose of cricket and it is loss of ICC. These two countries should have to work together to make Asian cricket stronger by forgetting all the enmity.
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Just out of curiosity i want to ask you guys what do you think about covered criket stadiums? Is there a possibility that these could be the future? I understand that permanently covered stadiums are obviously not practical as pitches need a lot of sunlight for preparation. But some sort of infrastructure where the sheds can be opened and closed. This obviously will be pretty costly but would be worth the cost for sure.
Covered stadiums do solve this problem but it also presents different challenges as well.

These stadiums are costly. Australia built one back in 2000s and the cost was around $300 Million. You can imagine how much it would cost now, a conservative estimate should be around Billion dollars. Not every board can afford it, even BCCI.

Having said that if these stadiums host multiple sports throughout the year then there is a chance this idea could work because you don't want billion dollar stadium only hosting 5 matches every year (15-20 events should cover the cost)

For sunlight issue, drop in pitches looks okay.

There are going to be a lot of problems with covered stadiums. First of all, as JSRAW said, it is going to cost a lot of money and I don’t think ICC is ready to spend that kind of money. They are more interested in having money for themselves. And the infrastructure is going to be have to maintained properly, otherwise, there can be a lot of accidents. And another thing is there are a lot of cricket boards that cannot even afford the DRS system. So building a stadium like that is going to be very hard for them.

But it can be good for cricket in the long run. The bad system of Duckworth Lewis is not going to have any kind of affect if stadiums like that are made. But honestly, I think we are a long way away from getting stadiums like that.
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Rain has been playing a spoil sport in bilateral ODI series. I am not sure whether it is the fault of organizers or climate change. If it's a weather issue then the rich boards need to work on covered stadiums so that in the future a tournament can go on smoothly.

Srilanka were in total control yesterday. It was a win win situation for them as they were only chasing 229 runs. If the match had not been abandoned then Srilankan would have drawn the series. Now they need to win the last game of this series in order to draw it. 

Too many rains these days. The last T20 World cup was affected by rain, India and New Zealand ODI series affected by rain and now this. Srilanka bowling was superb in second ODI as they bowled out Afghanistan on 228 runs. Rahmat Shah was top scorer but he was too slow in scoring runs like rest of Afghanistan batsmen.
Rain has given an Edge to Afghanistan that they wont lose this series.
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It would have been an easy task if they built more closed roof stadiums and they have the budget to make it happen, but they don't primarily because they are corrupt and focus on stealing as much money as they can for themselves.

I am not sure about the exact reason but budget is not an issue for the ICC or any other Local Board in Cricket as far i know cricket is one of the most watched sports in Asia for an example IND vs PAK T20I match 90k audience and rumors were not even a single seat was empty and all were sold in 15 mins imagine the money they made just by selling Tickets from the single Match.
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Likes of Bumrah, Shaheen, Rauf etc are also choked during critical moments so it's not just Arshdeep but overall he did a satisfactory job. In T-20 format he's a good bet for India (still new in ODI so not sure).

Umran is just 4 international matches old (3 T-20 and 1 ODI) so he has a long road ahead of him. Well, Siraj won't make it into T-20 squad tbh.
Another point here is that bowlers like Bumrah and Shaheen Shah Afridi are particularly amazing in the powerplay while I never saw that sort of spark in Arshdeep.

I just feel that Umran has a lot more potential than Arshdeep and can be deadly if groomed properly.

It is easy for us to say that ICC should schedule tournaments when there is no rain but the ground realty is that it is not an easy task.
It would have been an easy task if they built more closed roof stadiums and they have the budget to make it happen, but they don't primarily because they are corrupt and focus on stealing as much money as they can for themselves.
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Sri Lanka started batting in the second innings to chase down the target of 229 runs given by Afghanistan. Rain started before the end of 2.4 overs and play was stopped due to rain. Maybe the rain will stop very soon and the match will resume. It may also happen the match  declared abandoned by the umpire's decision
The match was already abandoned with no results. Sri Lankan people will not really be happy as Sri Lanka managed to restrict Afghanistan today with a very good bowling performance. Now there is no chance of winning the series in front of Sri Lanka, even if they win the next match, this series will be a draw.  But today's rain has been a plus point for Afghanistan as they have two roads in front of them either a win or a draw.
As Sri Lanka have kept Afghanistan in good pace at the end. In that case, they were optimistic of winning this match but if nature behaves hostilely then there is nothing to do. Moreover, most of the matches in this season are being abandoned due to rain. I think everyone can benefit a lot if the venue for each series is selected considering different seasons. For example, if India's series with New Zealand had been held in India, rain might not have been disrupted. It may be beneficial if the venue is not placed in a place where there is more rainfall according to the season. Overall it is better to take a decision before considering all the pros and cons of profit and loss.

Since cricket is being played all around the year, it will be difficult to set up the schedules by calculating the weather predictions. Also, no one can be sure if it will rain on particular dates as weather prediction is not always 100% correct.

Afghanistan scored only 228 runs which were never going to be enough against the Srilankan team. So I would say that the rain helped the Afghanistan team more than the Sri Lankan team. Although Afghanistan played well in the last match and scored 294 runs but their batsmen disappointed in this match.

I meant that in the area where the rain is more likely to be buried, you must think before the series management. Although we all know that such thing is not possible in advance. However, if a new series is determined, it can be planned according to time and Meteorological situation. By the way Sri Lanka did great performance in the last Asia Cup but since then they are not been seen in a very good form. But hopefully they will be able to return to ODI with the Afghan series.

You are right in your point of view but ICC have to manage all the series and events and if they start looking at the weather conditions, sometime it may not be feasible to schedule the series and some tournaments may have become overlap and things may be complicated. Also these days we have IPL, PSL, BBL, and other leagues and players also need time to play those series along with the commitment with their national team.
It is easy for us to say that ICC should schedule tournaments when there is no rain but the ground realty is that it is not an easy task.
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Sri Lanka started batting in the second innings to chase down the target of 229 runs given by Afghanistan. Rain started before the end of 2.4 overs and play was stopped due to rain. Maybe the rain will stop very soon and the match will resume. It may also happen the match  declared abandoned by the umpire's decision
The match was already abandoned with no results. Sri Lankan people will not really be happy as Sri Lanka managed to restrict Afghanistan today with a very good bowling performance. Now there is no chance of winning the series in front of Sri Lanka, even if they win the next match, this series will be a draw.  But today's rain has been a plus point for Afghanistan as they have two roads in front of them either a win or a draw.
As Sri Lanka have kept Afghanistan in good pace at the end. In that case, they were optimistic of winning this match but if nature behaves hostilely then there is nothing to do. Moreover, most of the matches in this season are being abandoned due to rain. I think everyone can benefit a lot if the venue for each series is selected considering different seasons. For example, if India's series with New Zealand had been held in India, rain might not have been disrupted. It may be beneficial if the venue is not placed in a place where there is more rainfall according to the season. Overall it is better to take a decision before considering all the pros and cons of profit and loss.

Since cricket is being played all around the year, it will be difficult to set up the schedules by calculating the weather predictions. Also, no one can be sure if it will rain on particular dates as weather prediction is not always 100% correct.

Afghanistan scored only 228 runs which were never going to be enough against the Srilankan team. So I would say that the rain helped the Afghanistan team more than the Sri Lankan team. Although Afghanistan played well in the last match and scored 294 runs but their batsmen disappointed in this match.

I meant that in the area where the rain is more likely to be buried, you must think before the series management. Although we all know that such thing is not possible in advance. However, if a new series is determined, it can be planned according to time and Meteorological situation. By the way Sri Lanka did great performance in the last Asia Cup but since then they are not been seen in a very good form. But hopefully they will be able to return to ODI with the Afghan series.
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Sri Lanka started batting in the second innings to chase down the target of 229 runs given by Afghanistan. Rain started before the end of 2.4 overs and play was stopped due to rain. Maybe the rain will stop very soon and the match will resume. It may also happen the match  declared abandoned by the umpire's decision
The match was already abandoned with no results. Sri Lankan people will not really be happy as Sri Lanka managed to restrict Afghanistan today with a very good bowling performance. Now there is no chance of winning the series in front of Sri Lanka, even if they win the next match, this series will be a draw.  But today's rain has been a plus point for Afghanistan as they have two roads in front of them either a win or a draw.
As Sri Lanka have kept Afghanistan in good pace at the end. In that case, they were optimistic of winning this match but if nature behaves hostilely then there is nothing to do. Moreover, most of the matches in this season are being abandoned due to rain. I think everyone can benefit a lot if the venue for each series is selected considering different seasons. For example, if India's series with New Zealand had been held in India, rain might not have been disrupted. It may be beneficial if the venue is not placed in a place where there is more rainfall according to the season. Overall it is better to take a decision before considering all the pros and cons of profit and loss.

Since cricket is being played all around the year, it will be difficult to set up the schedules by calculating the weather predictions. Also, no one can be sure if it will rain on particular dates as weather prediction is not always 100% correct.

Afghanistan scored only 228 runs which were never going to be enough against the Srilankan team. So I would say that the rain helped the Afghanistan team more than the Sri Lankan team. Although Afghanistan played well in the last match and scored 294 runs but their batsmen disappointed in this match.
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Rain has been playing a spoil sport in bilateral ODI series. I am not sure whether it is the fault of organizers or climate change. If it's a weather issue then the rich boards need to work on covered stadiums so that in the future a tournament can go on smoothly.

Srilanka were in total control yesterday. It was a win win situation for them as they were only chasing 229 runs. If the match had not been abandoned then Srilankan would have drawn the series. Now they need to win the last game of this series in order to draw it. 
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