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Quote from: goku19 on November 14, 2021, 03:16:24 AM

Malik is still in pakistan t20 squad which means that they are still seeing him play in the 2022 T20 world cup which is to be happened in australia. It is not too far away and they can do that, i think in hafeez can continue for one more year in t20 and then both of them can retire.
And yes really hope that bangladesh come back to form as they are a promising side, but just not done well recently.

Bangladesh wasn't able to win any test match against Pakistan till date. They were very close to winning test against Pakistan in 2003, thanks to responsible innings by inzamam Pakistan manage to win that test. Seeing the current form of Bangladesh I don't think there are much chances of Bangladesh winning any test match.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on November 13, 2021, 04:18:44 PM

If Pakistan is playing with the same level of intensity that they displayed during the T20 World Cup they will defeat Bangladesh without much struggle. I am not sure what are the major changes in the team for ODI and Test but still Pakistan have a good team. The strength of Bangladesh revolves around certain players especially Shakib Al Hasan to deliver and if they fail the team will be in trouble most of the time.

So far Pakistan has announced only T20 squad. Hassan Ali is still part of the team, the only change is Hafeez is replaced by Iftikhar Ahmed. Hafeez voluntary refused to be part of this squad, leaving slot for young player. I was hoping same from Malik but he is going with squad.
It very sad to see Bangladesh team not performing good in any format. Hope they will take this opportunity to revive there performance.

Malik is still in pakistan t20 squad which means that they are still seeing him play in the 2022 T20 world cup which is to be happened in australia. It is not too far away and they can do that, i think in hafeez can continue for one more year in t20 and then both of them can retire.
And yes really hope that bangladesh come back to form as they are a promising side, but just not done well recently.

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Quote from: GbitG on November 13, 2021, 05:25:52 PM

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Shakib ul Hassan saga is also having very serious impact on this team performance he was a good player but just because of his behaviour now he is losing all respect and better future right now he is gaining money nothing else good in his credit.

The only concerns is his physical fitness, he was injured during the World Cup which had an impact on how they performed after that. I am not sure about his behavior and whether that is having an impact. He is the best player from Bangladesh ever and he should be given that respect which i think is lacking from the administrators as he is always fighting with the board.

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So far Pakistan has announced only T20 squad. Hassan Ali is still part of the team, the only change is Hafeez is replaced by Iftikhar Ahmed. Hafeez voluntary refused to be part of this squad, leaving slot for young player. I was hoping same from Malik but he is going with squad.
It very sad to see Bangladesh team not performing good in any format. Hope they will take this opportunity to revive there performance.

Hasan Ali had a bad tournament but he was performing well before that, you should not crucify a player from one bad tournament and more over the UAE pitches were not helping seam bowlers, you need to be express quick or have subtle variations to be a good bowler in those pitches.

Shoaib Malik and Hafeez must be given the freedom on what they want to do with their career. You cannot replace them all of a sudden because of age, they are still performing well and if Pakistan can find a potential player that could replace him, then we can think about replacing him.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on November 13, 2021, 04:18:44 PM

If Pakistan is playing with the same level of intensity that they displayed during the T20 World Cup they will defeat Bangladesh without much struggle. I am not sure what are the major changes in the team for ODI and Test but still Pakistan have a good team. The strength of Bangladesh revolves around certain players especially Shakib Al Hasan to deliver and if they fail the team will be in trouble most of the time.

So far Pakistan has announced only T20 squad. Hassan Ali is still part of the team, the only change is Hafeez is replaced by Iftikhar Ahmed. Hafeez voluntary refused to be part of this squad, leaving slot for young player. I was hoping same from Malik but he is going with squad.
It very sad to see Bangladesh team not performing good in any format. Hope they will take this opportunity to revive there performance.

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Pakistan is a far better team than Bangladesh. They will easily win the series the T20 series. About the test series after the recent win in the T20 world cup, the team will be full of confidence and I am sure they will try to win the test series too but in the past, they have played very badly the test format. So it is a dice situation but we will be enjoying some good cricket.

If Pakistan is playing with the same level of intensity that they displayed during the T20 World Cup they will defeat Bangladesh without much struggle. I am not sure what are the major changes in the team for ODI and Test but still Pakistan have a good team. The strength of Bangladesh revolves around certain players especially Shakib Al Hasan to deliver and if they fail the team will be in trouble most of the time.

In this current tour of Bangladesh we have just 3 Twenty/20 and 2 test matches after watching Bangladesh in Twenty/20 World Cup, surely Pakistan can beat them in both formats because Bangladesh team is not having some good maturity, and they are losing cricket passion also which is very big threat for them. Few months back they were very good, but their current form is no world-class now Afghanistan with many difficulties and having no home advantage doing much better than Bangladesh. Right now we can hope some better fight from them in these both formats against Pakistan.
Shakib ul Hassan saga is also having very serious impact on this team performance he was a good player but just because of his behaviour now he is losing all respect and better future right now he is gaining money nothing else good in his credit.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on November 13, 2021, 03:48:03 AM

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Pakistan is a far better team than Bangladesh. They will easily win the series the T20 series. About the test series after the recent win in the T20 world cup, the team will be full of confidence and I am sure they will try to win the test series too but in the past, they have played very badly the test format. So it is a dice situation but we will be enjoying some good cricket.

If Pakistan is playing with the same level of intensity that they displayed during the T20 World Cup they will defeat Bangladesh without much struggle. I am not sure what are the major changes in the team for ODI and Test but still Pakistan have a good team. The strength of Bangladesh revolves around certain players especially Shakib Al Hasan to deliver and if they fail the team will be in trouble most of the time.

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Quote from: DanWalker on November 13, 2021, 01:18:45 PM

I agree that western countries take the security thing very seriously. But that doesn't mean the other countries don't. And yes in the case of Pakistan, I think better measurements could be taken for the security of the players. And yes no crime is justifiable. But what I want to say is maybe it would be better if all of us don't just blame the government and talk about how they could have handled the situation better. Because blaming is not gonna make a difference.

Western countries also took covid19 pandemic very serious that's why they all went to play IPL during the peak of covid19 in India. I am sure if PCB is so much wealthy as BCCI is of today, no country will refuse to play cricket there. Money plays a key role these days in every aspect of life.
Boards less Big-4 must sit together and demand ICC for there rights. Only this way they can solve there problems otherwise they will be abused by big-4 in future too.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on November 13, 2021, 10:31:07 AM

Zimbabwe women's team faced Bangladesh in the second ODI match today. The women's team of Bangladesh is very experienced now. The Zimbabwean team is still much weaker than them. Zimbabwe lost all their wickets today and managed to collect only 121 runs. Which was a very easy goal for the Bangladesh team. Bangladesh lost just one wicket and reached their target.

Frankly first time i heard about Zimbabwe womens cricket team as I have not seen them play in big tournaments. Yes Bangladesh team is surely way better team than Zimbabwe in womens cricket as they have lot more experience, they play against top sides as well so playing against Zimbabwe was a pretty easy match for them and hence they won this match with ease.

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That's very much correct. Pakistan failed to provide adequate security to SL team back in 2009 and they are facing consequences till date. I also agree with what Ramiz Raja (chairman PCB) was saying that all boards must understand each other problems and must cooperate. I am convinced that big 3 and NZ wont care for problems of small boards since they have enough money in there bag. But situation can become tough for such boards also like the Christ Church situation.

The Christchurch attack was committed by a "lone wolf" terrorist. The probability of a major terrorist incident occurring in New Zealand is still a than thousand times lower than the case with Pakistan. So what happened in Christchurch can't be used to justify, or reduce the significance of what occurred in Karachi. And it has nothing to do with the pig-4 classification. Western countries do take security very seriously. Even teams like Ireland or Netherlands would do the same, if they are faced with similar issues.

I agree that western countries take the security thing very seriously. But that doesn't mean the other countries don't. And yes in the case of Pakistan, I think better measurements could be taken for the security of the players. And yes no crime is justifiable. But what I want to say is maybe it would be better if all of us don't just blame the government and talk about how they could have handled the situation better. Because blaming is not gonna make a difference.

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Zimbabwe women's team faced Bangladesh in the second ODI match today. The women's team of Bangladesh is very experienced now. The Zimbabwean team is still much weaker than them. Zimbabwe lost all their wickets today and managed to collect only 121 runs. Which was a very easy goal for the Bangladesh team. Bangladesh lost just one wicket and reached their target.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on November 13, 2021, 03:48:03 AM

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Right after the T20 world cup, Pakistan will be visiting Bangladesh to play three one day international and three test matches starting form 19 November. Seeing the current form of both the teams in the recent world cup, i think Pakistan should white wash the series however, not to forget, Bangladesh have a good record in their home ground and they are one of those teams who play better cricket at home.

Pakistan is very good in T20 but not same good in tests and ODI. On the other hand Bangladesh must be looking for some wins against Pakistan to overcome there bad performance in T20 WC. Bangladesh has never won a test match against Pakistan, so Pakistan need to be careful to maintain that record. Bangladesh holds a record of 3-0 in ODI series against Pakistan in 2015.

Pakistan is a far better team than Bangladesh. They will easily win the series the T20 series. About the test series after the recent win in the T20 world cup, the team will be full of confidence and I am sure they will try to win the test series too but in the past, they have played very badly the test format. So it is a dice situation but we will be enjoying some good cricket.

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Bangladesh is better at one-day internationals than t20 or test cricket. But Bangladesh is going through a really bad form right now and that will obviously affect their performance. And with all the politics going on in the Bangladesh cricket board and the players having problems with the board and the coaches, there might be a lot of problems that will reflect on their performance.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on November 13, 2021, 03:48:03 AM

Pakistan is a far better team than Bangladesh. They will easily win the series the T20 series. About the test series after the recent win in the T20 world cup, the team will be full of confidence and I am sure they will try to win the test series too but in the past, they have played very badly the test format. So it is a dice situation but we will be enjoying some good cricket.

Good to see slow and proper cricket in the form of test matches after volatile T20 WC. If you see Pakistan T20 squad it still has hassan Ali. I think hassan must be given some rest to regain his form. Hafeez is drooped and in form Iftikhar Ahmed is in the squad. Shoaib malik is also in squad, he must also be replaced by some young player.
Test squad is not announced , it may be announced during T20s.

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Quote from: Fritwakky on November 13, 2021, 12:09:30 AM

Quote from: UmerIdrees on November 12, 2021, 11:47:02 PM

Right after the T20 world cup, Pakistan will be visiting Bangladesh to play three one day international and three test matches starting form 19 November. Seeing the current form of both the teams in the recent world cup, i think Pakistan should white wash the series however, not to forget, Bangladesh have a good record in their home ground and they are one of those teams who play better cricket at home.

Pakistan is very good in T20 but not same good in tests and ODI. On the other hand Bangladesh must be looking for some wins against Pakistan to overcome there bad performance in T20 WC. Bangladesh has never won a test match against Pakistan, so Pakistan need to be careful to maintain that record. Bangladesh holds a record of 3-0 in ODI series against Pakistan in 2015.

Pakistan is a far better team than Bangladesh. They will easily win the series the T20 series. About the test series after the recent win in the T20 world cup, the team will be full of confidence and I am sure they will try to win the test series too but in the past, they have played very badly the test format. So it is a dice situation but we will be enjoying some good cricket.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on November 12, 2021, 11:47:02 PM

Right after the T20 world cup, Pakistan will be visiting Bangladesh to play three one day international and three test matches starting form 19 November. Seeing the current form of both the teams in the recent world cup, i think Pakistan should white wash the series however, not to forget, Bangladesh have a good record in their home ground and they are one of those teams who play better cricket at home.

Pakistan is very good in T20 but not same good in tests and ODI. On the other hand Bangladesh must be looking for some wins against Pakistan to overcome there bad performance in T20 WC. Bangladesh has never won a test match against Pakistan, so Pakistan need to be careful to maintain that record. Bangladesh holds a record of 3-0 in ODI series against Pakistan in 2015.

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Right after the T20 world cup, Pakistan will be visiting Bangladesh to play three one day international and three test matches starting form 19 November. Seeing the current form of both the teams in the recent world cup, i think Pakistan should white wash the series however, not to forget, Bangladesh have a good record in their home ground and they are one of those teams who play better cricket at home.

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Quote from: Fritwakky on November 12, 2021, 02:33:33 PM

That's very much correct. Pakistan failed to provide adequate security to SL team back in 2009 and they are facing consequences till date. I also agree with what Ramiz Raja (chairman PCB) was saying that all boards must understand each other problems and must cooperate. I am convinced that big 3 and NZ wont care for problems of small boards since they have enough money in there bag. But situation can become tough for such boards also like the Christ Church situation.

The Christchurch attack was committed by a "lone wolf" terrorist. The probability of a major terrorist incident occurring in New Zealand is still a than thousand times lower than the case with Pakistan. So what happened in Christchurch can't be used to justify, or reduce the significance of what occurred in Karachi. And it has nothing to do with the pig-4 classification. Western countries do take security very seriously. Even teams like Ireland or Netherlands would do the same, if they are faced with similar issues.

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The problem is the percentage of people that are actually educated is very low and we can mostly see that there are a lot of people in power who are not that highly educated or probably not the best fit for the job. Just look at the Bangladesh cricket board President. What does he actually know about cricket?

So with political power you can be the president of a cricket board, which is fascinating but without knowing about the infrastructure, how is he going to make any changes that could improve the development of cricket in the country. I understand that when there is huge money involved you will attract power hungry individuals and may be that is what we are seeing.

I am surprised that the conspiracy theory keeps on coming on a daily basis Cheesy

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To some extent what he is saying is true. When you mix up politics with sports the result is always bad. This did happen with BCCI and after a lot of struggle and court cases, things have changed. Any sporting board should be handled by the players of that sports, sadly it does not happen in most third world country.

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The problem is the percentage of people that are actually educated is very low and we can mostly see that there are a lot of people in power who are not that highly educated or probably not the best fit for the job. Just look at the Bangladesh cricket board President. What does he actually know about cricket?

So with political power you can be the president of a cricket board, which is fascinating but without knowing about the infrastructure, how is he going to make any changes that could improve the development of cricket in the country. I understand that when there is huge money involved you will attract power hungry individuals and may be that is what we are seeing.

I am surprised that the conspiracy theory keeps on coming on a daily basis Cheesy

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Quote from: kro55 on November 12, 2021, 02:25:14 PM

This is true that Pakistan may have failed to provide good enough security for the Touring team, this is also true that sometimes attacks can happen from really unexpected angles or situations. We all remember that Christ Church situation where there could have been a real problem for team Bangladesh. I know that the Bangladesh team went to the mosque voluntarily but the situation could be really bad. All I'm trying to say is sometimes the best security is not enough and the government of the hosting country has to take the blame and I don't think that's fair enough.

That's very much correct. Pakistan failed to provide adequate security to SL team back in 2009 and they are facing consequences till date. I also agree with what Ramiz Raja (chairman PCB) was saying that all boards must understand each other problems and must cooperate. I am convinced that big 3 and NZ wont care for problems of small boards since they have enough money in there bag. But situation can become tough for such boards also like the Christ Church situation.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on November 11, 2021, 10:06:53 PM

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^ I think these allegations are absolutely baseless. People nowadays, just I want to find some news that will create some buzz. We know a lot of teams have been canceling their tours in Pakistan because of security shoes their worries are not absolutely baseless or unjustifiable. I mean, after all, security comes first so if the players for the board things that there might be some issues they can cancel the tour and it's as simple as that, and making a scene or some baseless rumors around that is unnecessary in my opinion.

Agreed. The Sri Lankan team was attacked while they were touring Pakistan and that is the reason why foreign teams undertake a detailed security evaluation everytime before they tour that country. So their concerns can't be just ignored or swept under the carpet. Blaming India may be a tactic from the PCB to shift the responsibility. They failed to provide the adequate security cover for the touring teams and now they want to divert the discussion by blaming the BCCI. Things doesn't just add up when they make these allegations.

This is true that Pakistan may have failed to provide good enough security for the Touring team, this is also true that sometimes attacks can happen from really unexpected angles or situations. We all remember that Christ Church situation where there could have been a real problem for team Bangladesh. I know that the Bangladesh team went to the mosque voluntarily but the situation could be really bad. All I'm trying to say is sometimes the best security is not enough and the government of the hosting country has to take the blame and I don't think that's fair enough.

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