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Quote from: galambo on October 30, 2021, 01:27:51 PM

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It's just that ICC want to focus on activism rather than the development of the game. If they are serious, then they should look in to why cricket is not popular among the blacks of South Africa, Zimbabwe and Namibia. They should invest money there. Are they doing so? Having this BLM drama everytime before the start of the match is irritating. What is the point in doing the knee protest, before a match between India and Pakistan? What was the contribution of these two countries to the George Floyd killing?

May be its popular among blacks in South Africa, Zimbabwe and Namibia. Blacks dont have necessary facilities as compared to whites that's why they cant compete with them. South Africa has produced great black players like Makhaya Ntini, so we cant say that blacks dont like cricket in SA. I am surprised to see there is no black player in Namibia team and its strange that you have majority of Blacks in country while your team only has white players.

In Pak/India match, its Indians that were more interested in doing that KNEE Protest as Pakistanis only placed there hands on chest. With gestures of Babar Azam in the start of match, I can say he has no idea of that protest.

The Indian team acted like a fool. I was never aware at first why they were kneeling down but later on, realized that it was for BLM. Did the ICC ask for this or was it the BCCi? Cause if it's the BCCI then there are many other things happening within the country that needs attention.

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Quote from: galambo on October 30, 2021, 01:27:51 PM

May be its popular among blacks in South Africa, Zimbabwe and Namibia. Blacks dont have necessary facilities as compared to whites that's why they cant compete with them. South Africa has produced great black players like Makhaya Ntini, so we cant say that blacks dont like cricket in SA. I am surprised to see there is no black player in Namibia team and its strange that you have majority of Blacks in country while your team only has white players.

Namibian history is a bit complicated. The whites (Germans and Dutch) first arrived in the country during the 16th and 17th centuries, when Namibia was populated by the San (yellow-skinned people). The blacks (Bantu) arrived sometime later and completely exterminated the San by the end of 19th century. So whites of Namibia are as native as anyone else. The blacks, not the whites are the latter arrivals (although in the case of South Africa that is not true). And there are black players in the Namibian squad, such as Ben Shikongo and Pikky Ya France. On top of that, they have some other non-white players as well (Zane Green.etc).

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Quote from: galambo on October 30, 2021, 01:27:51 PM

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May be its popular among blacks in South Africa, Zimbabwe and Namibia. Blacks dont have necessary facilities as compared to whites that's why they cant compete with them. South Africa has produced great black players like Makhaya Ntini, so we cant say that blacks dont like cricket in SA. I am surprised to see there is no black player in Namibia team and its strange that you have majority of Blacks in country while your team only has white players.

I have no idea what you are implying here that facilities are different for everyone in a country, you are talking in 2021 like we differentiate people with their caste and color and it is bullshit to see these issues raised here. I have no idea about Namibia as a country, if there are no native players then it is the ICC or their respective cricket that need to sort out because they need to attract the players to play the game.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 29, 2021, 09:08:56 PM

It's just that ICC want to focus on activism rather than the development of the game. If they are serious, then they should look in to why cricket is not popular among the blacks of South Africa, Zimbabwe and Namibia. They should invest money there. Are they doing so? Having this BLM drama everytime before the start of the match is irritating. What is the point in doing the knee protest, before a match between India and Pakistan? What was the contribution of these two countries to the George Floyd killing?

May be its popular among blacks in South Africa, Zimbabwe and Namibia. Blacks dont have necessary facilities as compared to whites that's why they cant compete with them. South Africa has produced great black players like Makhaya Ntini, so we cant say that blacks dont like cricket in SA. I am surprised to see there is no black player in Namibia team and its strange that you have majority of Blacks in country while your team only has white players.

In Pak/India match, its Indians that were more interested in doing that KNEE Protest as Pakistanis only placed there hands on chest. With gestures of Babar Azam in the start of match, I can say he has no idea of that protest.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on October 29, 2021, 04:55:21 PM

I am not sure about forcing anyone to follow the knee, but i am yet to understand what is the point of doing these as if all the racist watching Cricket would identify and change their opinion when they see someone taking a knee Cheesy

. Racism is always subtle and i do not consider there is institutional racism.

It's just that ICC want to focus on activism rather than the development of the game. If they are serious, then they should look in to why cricket is not popular among the blacks of South Africa, Zimbabwe and Namibia. They should invest money there. Are they doing so? Having this BLM drama everytime before the start of the match is irritating. What is the point in doing the knee protest, before a match between India and Pakistan? What was the contribution of these two countries to the George Floyd killing?

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on October 29, 2021, 11:42:47 AM

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I was aware of the entire thing until I saw your post now and then did some research of what exactly happened. It is indeed shameful to force others to take the knee although I highly rate this movement but no one should be forced to do they don't want to.

I read at espn that De Kock has agreed to take the knee and even apologized. It's hard to understand what for he apologized. But looking from a different angle, I am not sure why he was so against taking a knee in first place because it's not like you are forced to do something that will cause any harm. Taking a knee to support a movement that is for the larger good shouldn't have been a problem for him to begin with.

Yes taking a knee is to support the movement that black lives matter. But in the case of India, Indian people are saying that there are a lot of problems going on right now in their own country and there has not been a single tweet about any of them and here we have the whole Indian team taking a knee to support a movement continents away. And the speculation about the Indian team being forced to do this is actually true, you and I was so surprised hearing this. And racism is something that ain't going to be solved if the people in power don't realize that it's a pretty big problem.

We can't stop these things in one month or year these can take very long time because these are part of life for millions for decades so if you want to solve these issues then first bring some better education and development of new generation with transparency because it's must for all these things we have the best example of Japan as they were really rude and stick, but they spend some very good time now all nation is completely different.

In case of India or South Africa it is not possible because too many languages cultures and values which are stopping them from many things which are required but not happening currently South Africa is also in situation of making or breaking let's watch what happen here in next few years because I am not positive about this all right now.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on October 29, 2021, 11:42:47 AM

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Yes taking a knee is to support the movement that black lives matter. But in the case of India, Indian people are saying that there are a lot of problems going on right now in their own country and there has not been a single tweet about any of them and here we have the whole Indian team taking a knee to support a movement continents away.

There is a lot of problem that is going on due the right wing extremist politics that is in power, if a country is ruled by identity politics then you are bound to have issues and that is what is happening right now and you cannot expect anyone having the freedom to voice against them because you will be silenced.

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And the speculation about the Indian team being forced to do this is actually true, you and I was so surprised hearing this. And racism is something that ain't going to be solved if the people in power don't realize that it's a pretty big problem.

I am not sure about forcing anyone to follow the knee, but i am yet to understand what is the point of doing these as if all the racist watching Cricket would identify and change their opinion when they see someone taking a knee Cheesy

. Racism is always subtle and i do not consider there is institutional racism.

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Quote from: blatchcorn on October 29, 2021, 11:57:45 AM

Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on October 29, 2021, 11:42:47 AM

Yes taking a knee is to support the movement that black lives matter. But in the case of India, Indian people are saying that there are a lot of problems going on right now in their own country and there has not been a single tweet about any of them and here we have the whole Indian team taking a knee to support a movement continents away. And the speculation about the Indian team being forced to do this is actually true, you and I was so surprised hearing this. And racism is something that ain't going to be solved if the people in power don't realize that it's a pretty big problem.

In RSA there is a clash going on for including Black players in the team. We know RSA used to be team of whites in 90s. Ntini was first ever black player who made it to national team. As far as bowing down for BLM is concerned, I think its decision of board that matters not the player. Since its the board that is sending players under the name of country. Player individual opinion matters in leagues, in which player plays for some club.

Well i feel selection in team should be completely fair there should not be any reservation in this. As players like rabada do not need any kind of reservation so why is there any need of this kind of things, If you are good enough then you should be selected in the team, that should be the criteria for selection in the team.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on October 29, 2021, 11:42:47 AM

Yes taking a knee is to support the movement that black lives matter. But in the case of India, Indian people are saying that there are a lot of problems going on right now in their own country and there has not been a single tweet about any of them and here we have the whole Indian team taking a knee to support a movement continents away. And the speculation about the Indian team being forced to do this is actually true, you and I was so surprised hearing this. And racism is something that ain't going to be solved if the people in power don't realize that it's a pretty big problem.

In RSA there is a clash going on for including Black players in the team. We know RSA used to be team of whites in 90s. Ntini was first ever black player who made it to national team. As far as bowing down for BLM is concerned, I think its decision of board that matters not the player. Since its the board that is sending players under the name of country. Player individual opinion matters in leagues, in which player plays for some club.

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Quote from: savetheFORUM on October 28, 2021, 04:26:44 PM

Quote from: Kakmakr on October 28, 2021, 01:42:37 PM

I am not going to watch any of the T20 World Cup clashes after the whole Quinton de Kock "take the knee" rubbish. What the f#%ck have happened to "freedom of choice" and "freedom of religion"? I am totally against all forms of racism, but I am definitely not going to take the knee.. just because everyone else are forcing the issue.

They force the "race" issues... but they allow countries like Afghanistan and Pakistan with several human rights and women rights violations to participate it these tournaments. (Capturing and torturing of Afghan people, indulging in terrorism etc...) Roll Eyes

I was aware of the entire thing until I saw your post now and then did some research of what exactly happened. It is indeed shameful to force others to take the knee although I highly rate this movement but no one should be forced to do they don't want to.

I read at espn that De Kock has agreed to take the knee and even apologized. It's hard to understand what for he apologized. But looking from a different angle, I am not sure why he was so against taking a knee in first place because it's not like you are forced to do something that will cause any harm. Taking a knee to support a movement that is for the larger good shouldn't have been a problem for him to begin with.

Yes taking a knee is to support the movement that black lives matter. But in the case of India, Indian people are saying that there are a lot of problems going on right now in their own country and there has not been a single tweet about any of them and here we have the whole Indian team taking a knee to support a movement continents away. And the speculation about the Indian team being forced to do this is actually true, you and I was so surprised hearing this. And racism is something that ain't going to be solved if the people in power don't realize that it's a pretty big problem.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on October 28, 2021, 01:42:37 PM

I am not going to watch any of the T20 World Cup clashes after the whole Quinton de Kock "take the knee" rubbish. What the f#%ck have happened to "freedom of choice" and "freedom of religion"? I am totally against all forms of racism, but I am definitely not going to take the knee.. just because everyone else are forcing the issue.

They force the "race" issues... but they allow countries like Afghanistan and Pakistan with several human rights and women rights violations to participate it these tournaments. (Capturing and torturing of Afghan people, indulging in terrorism etc...) Roll Eyes

I was aware of the entire thing until I saw your post now and then did some research of what exactly happened. It is indeed shameful to force others to take the knee although I highly rate this movement but no one should be forced to do they don't want to.

I read at espn that De Kock has agreed to take the knee and even apologized. It's hard to understand what for he apologized. But looking from a different angle, I am not sure why he was so against taking a knee in first place because it's not like you are forced to do something that will cause any harm. Taking a knee to support a movement that is for the larger good shouldn't have been a problem for him to begin with.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on October 28, 2021, 01:42:37 PM

I am not going to watch any of the T20 World Cup clashes after the whole Quinton de Kock "take the knee" rubbish. What the f#%ck have happened to "freedom of choice" and "freedom of religion"? I am totally against all forms of racism, but I am definitely not going to take the knee.. just because everyone else are forcing the issue.

They force the "race" issues... but they allow countries like Afghanistan and Pakistan with several human rights and women rights violations to participate it these tournaments. (Capturing and torturing of Afghan people, indulging in terrorism etc...) Roll Eyes

I am also against forcing anyone to dance to their tune in the name of a cause and i bet Quinton de Kock is against any form of racism and so does normal people but there are some who wanted to force things on to others which is unacceptable but i wont be boycotting watching the tournament because of these incidents. Sadly we are living in a world where some wants to dictate things and they are infiltrating sports.

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I am not going to watch any of the T20 World Cup clashes after the whole Quinton de Kock "take the knee" rubbish. What the f#%ck have happened to "freedom of choice" and "freedom of religion"? I am totally against all forms of racism, but I am definitely not going to take the knee.. just because everyone else are forcing the issue.

They force the "race" issues... but they allow countries like Afghanistan and Pakistan with several human rights and women rights violations to participate it these tournaments. (Capturing and torturing of Afghan people, indulging in terrorism etc...) Roll Eyes

Edit : It was all for nothing in any way, he has a lot of mixed race family members and his reasons for not taking the knee has nothing to do with him being racist. The South African Cricket politics are killing the game. (They even apply forced race ratios in their selection for the team) Roll Eyes

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Quote from: blatchcorn on October 28, 2021, 11:55:33 AM

AFAIK there is no mechanism to identify the age of a player other then his birth certificate (correct me if I am wrong). Now in Pakistan and India birth certificates are issued by govt authorities electronically, so you cant modify record unless some insider helps you in doing that.

Currently, as technology is developed we have too many ways of knowing about ages and all aspects about players, so cheating is possible but very difficult. As someone mentions it is happening in sub-continent because here still few chances about this but in developed countries they are managing things very fairly, so it's hard for any one even not possible. In case of Munaf Patel, it maybe he has done some poor way to talk about his age, but surely he is over 35. In the past, we have some good number of cheated cases about age but in current time it is not, so now players are not going to do any cheat in this case.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 27, 2021, 10:02:57 PM

Cheating is very common in age group cricket, especially in countries such as India and Pakistan. The BCCI issues terminations to dozens of players every year for wrongly stating their actual age. It is not very rare to find 22-23 year old players participating in U-19 tournaments. This actually steals the opportunity from deserving players who don't cheat. The birth records are stored electronically in western nations such as England and Australia, and there it is not possible to do such fraud.

AFAIK there is no mechanism to identify the age of a player other then his birth certificate (correct me if I am wrong). Now in Pakistan and India birth certificates are issued by govt authorities electronically, so you cant modify record unless some insider helps you in doing that.

Quote from: Iranus on October 28, 2021, 10:29:24 AM

We all know that Munaf Patel did this to play in the IPL. He said he's 29 when he was actually 35.

I dont know how an international player can say about his age. His age is publicly available on sites like espncricinfo and in ICC data. There is no way an international player can manipulate his age.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on October 27, 2021, 11:09:17 PM

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I sometimes doubt the age of these players playing the tournament. Some of them look more mature and over aged sometimes. It might be because they have been practicing and playing that their physical appearance can be deceiving. Basically in any tournament the team that has won previously cannot be considered as a favourite for the next tournament. Otherwise most of them would have won consecutively every time.

Cheating is very common in age group cricket, especially in countries such as India and Pakistan. The BCCI issues terminations to dozens of players every year for wrongly stating their actual age. It is not very rare to find 22-23 year old players participating in U-19 tournaments. This actually steals the opportunity from deserving players who don't cheat. The birth records are stored electronically in western nations such as England and Australia, and there it is not possible to do such fraud.

@Sithara007 I believe high ranking officials also helps player’s cheat, because it’s impossible for them to cheat without the officials help. Furthermore do teams get banned if a player is caught lying about his age, or only the player who lied gets banned by the ICC?.

Age fudging is nothing new. We all know that Munaf Patel did this to play in the IPL. He said he's 29 when he was actually 35. I am not actually clear about what the rules are about this matter. But I think the whole team shouldn't suffer just because of one selfish player who lied. And who knows maybe he even lied to his teammates and coaches too.

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I sometimes doubt the age of these players playing the tournament. Some of them look more mature and over aged sometimes. It might be because they have been practicing and playing that their physical appearance can be deceiving. Basically in any tournament the team that has won previously cannot be considered as a favourite for the next tournament. Otherwise most of them would have won consecutively every time.

Cheating is very common in age group cricket, especially in countries such as India and Pakistan. The BCCI issues terminations to dozens of players every year for wrongly stating their actual age. It is not very rare to find 22-23 year old players participating in U-19 tournaments. This actually steals the opportunity from deserving players who don't cheat. The birth records are stored electronically in western nations such as England and Australia, and there it is not possible to do such fraud.

@Sithara007 I believe high ranking officials also helps player’s cheat, because it’s impossible for them to cheat without the officials help. Furthermore do teams get banned if a player is caught lying about his age, or only the player who lied gets banned by the ICC?.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on October 27, 2021, 03:25:44 AM

I sometimes doubt the age of these players playing the tournament. Some of them look more mature and over aged sometimes. It might be because they have been practicing and playing that their physical appearance can be deceiving. Basically in any tournament the team that has won previously cannot be considered as a favourite for the next tournament. Otherwise most of them would have won consecutively every time.

Cheating is very common in age group cricket, especially in countries such as India and Pakistan. The BCCI issues terminations to dozens of players every year for wrongly stating their actual age. It is not very rare to find 22-23 year old players participating in U-19 tournaments. This actually steals the opportunity from deserving players who don't cheat. The birth records are stored electronically in western nations such as England and Australia, and there it is not possible to do such fraud.

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This is the thing with under-19 worlds cups because team completely changes in these tournaments as players cross their age mark or get selected in national team which brings in a fresh team yet again for all the teams so there is no guarantee that last time winner would be favorites in this world cup as well.

I sometimes doubt the age of these players playing the tournament. Some of them look more mature and over aged sometimes. It might be because they have been practicing and playing that their physical appearance can be deceiving. Basically in any tournament the team that has won previously cannot be considered as a favourite for the next tournament. Otherwise most of them would have won consecutively every time.

^ That's because the team which wins the world cup often does not contain the same squad till the next world cup and a lot of senior players seem to retire by that time. And there is the thing about players form, A player who played very well in the last world cup match, not play that good in the next one. And by the time the next world cup comes, a lot of chairs seem to age which obviously deteriorates their performance.

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The Bangladesh Under-19s have played five ODIs against the Sri Lanka Under-19s. The matches were held in Sri Lanka. The funny thing is that Bangladesh has lost all the matches very badly. Bangladesh's Under-19 team was very strong. And the current Under-19 World Cup champion team is Bangladesh. Their poor performance is very disappointing. However, this is not the same squad that participated in the Under-19 World Cup. However, it is a shame to return to the country without winning any match.

I checked the results from the last match. Sri Lanka won by the tiniest of the margins (4 runs). So you can't really say that Bangladesh performed very poorly. Anyway it is tough to play in Sri Lankan pitches. Even big 3 teams had issues recently. I wouldn't' read too much in to this series. The U-19 world cup is only a few months away and I hope that both the teams will be able to perform well. This time the tournament will take place in West Indies and a total of 16 countries are taking part.

I am not expecting much from the Bangladesh team in the upcoming Under-19 World Cup. Since they are now the champion team, they should at least reach the semi-finals of the next World Cup. But looking at their performance, I don't think they will be able to reach the semi-finals. The team is weak now, mainly because most of the players who helped Bangladesh win the Under-19 World Cup now have a chance in the national team. We are now seeing new players in the under-19 team. Those I don't think are talented enough.

This is the thing with under-19 worlds cups because team completely changes in these tournaments as players cross their age mark or get selected in national team which brings in a fresh team yet again for all the teams so there is no guarantee that last time winner would be favorites in this world cup as well.

I sometimes doubt the age of these players playing the tournament. Some of them look more mature and over aged sometimes. It might be because they have been practicing and playing that their physical appearance can be deceiving. Basically in any tournament the team that has won previously cannot be considered as a favourite for the next tournament. Otherwise most of them would have won consecutively every time.

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