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Quote from: blatchcorn on January 15, 2022, 10:46:04 AM

I remember Ireland has beaten Pakistan in 2007 WC but there is no news about Ireland team since then. ICC Men's Cricket World Cup Super League – Standings are still at early stage as countries like NZ, Afghanistan and SA are not in top 8. They have only played 3 matches while Ireland after playing 15 matches is at no 4. Things will get clear after all teams have played equal no of games.

By now most of the matches were supposed to be completed. But they got delayed as a result of the COVID issue. Anyway, there won't be another Super League from now on. The ICC bosses decided that they should rather focus on useless bilateral series and they have discontinued the Super League. So this one is the last edition. Anyway, the third and final match of the tour will be played today. If Ireland manages to win this match, then they are almost assured of a slot in the top-8. They have only two series remaining after this one. First one against Bangladesh, and then against New Zealand.

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Quote from: galambo on January 15, 2022, 01:09:35 PM

Cricket is progressing on its own, we cant say ICC has any role in spreading cricket to new countries of the world. One thing is clear that countries are no more interested in ODI and Test, focus is only on T20. Its better to restrict cricket to Test and T20 format only. Players are unable to keep form in so many formats.

Test matches still have some good future in long run, just ODI could be wiped out from scene because it's not having any good point to stay around with many leagues with test matches are going to be good earner for many countries and boards. With 100 League and 10 Leagues are also creating some good interest for fans around the globe, ODI's just a waste of time and energy.

ICC need to overhaul all set up and talk with all boards for better end of this format and introduction of some more and fruitful things for better earning can bring more technology and big market as right now we have nothing good in North and South America and in many Eastern European countries these formats can give better exposure to fans.

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Quote from: savetheFORUM on January 15, 2022, 12:21:37 PM

Quote from: blatchcorn on January 15, 2022, 10:46:04 AM

I remember Ireland has beaten Pakistan in 2007 WC but there is no news about Ireland team since then. ICC Men's Cricket World Cup Super League – Standings are still at early stage as countries like NZ, Afghanistan and SA are not in top 8. They have only played 3 matches while Ireland after playing 15 matches is at no 4. Things will get clear after all teams have played equal no of games.

Now ODI is not having good future because in near future we will have some good number of T20 and test matches with due to bad governance of ICC we are losing some good things Ireland can do some better in this short term format with having good players and experience of this, but I am feeling in near future we are not going to have equal opportunities for all teams because many boards are not accepting rules by ICC as they need own governments policies to be followed for having in touch with this all, so currently any team can go on top with any points and big teams can lose their positions nothing is clear.

New Zealand, South Africa and Afghanistan have no ODI's and for the future it's still unclear who is going to play how many matches.

Cricket is progressing on its own, we cant say ICC has any role in spreading cricket to new countries of the world. One thing is clear that countries are no more interested in ODI and Test, focus is only on T20. Its better to restrict cricket to Test and T20 format only. Players are unable to keep form in so many formats.

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Quote from: blatchcorn on January 15, 2022, 10:46:04 AM

I remember Ireland has beaten Pakistan in 2007 WC but there is no news about Ireland team since then. ICC Men's Cricket World Cup Super League – Standings are still at early stage as countries like NZ, Afghanistan and SA are not in top 8. They have only played 3 matches while Ireland after playing 15 matches is at no 4. Things will get clear after all teams have played equal no of games.

Now ODI is not having good future because in near future we will have some good number of T20 and test matches with due to bad governance of ICC we are losing some good things Ireland can do some better in this short term format with having good players and experience of this, but I am feeling in near future we are not going to have equal opportunities for all teams because many boards are not accepting rules by ICC as they need own governments policies to be followed for having in touch with this all, so currently any team can go on top with any points and big teams can lose their positions nothing is clear.

New Zealand, South Africa and Afghanistan have no ODI's and for the future it's still unclear who is going to play how many matches.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 14, 2022, 10:18:42 PM

Ireland was playing without many of their regular players, as the captain (Andrew Balbirnie) and some of the star performers tested positive for COVID. On top of that, Mark Adair was injured and this severely weakened their bowling department. And despite all this, they managed to defeat West Indies. Andy McBrine had an exceptional outing, and he was supported by the pacer Craig Young. Now looking at the points table for the ICC Men's Cricket World Cup Super League, I believe there is a very good chance that Ireland may finish among the top 8.

I remember Ireland has beaten Pakistan in 2007 WC but there is no news about Ireland team since then. ICC Men's Cricket World Cup Super League – Standings are still at early stage as countries like NZ, Afghanistan and SA are not in top 8. They have only played 3 matches while Ireland after playing 15 matches is at no 4. Things will get clear after all teams have played equal no of games.

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Quote from: blatchcorn on January 14, 2022, 02:18:15 AM

The level of WI cricket team has gone down too low that they are beaten by Ireland in 2nd ODI. The 3-match series now stand at level 1-1. WI managed to score 229 in 48 overs before there last batsman got out. Ireland won on D/L method but its a worrying sign for cricket, if teams like WI are at that level then we don't have much options left out.

Ireland was playing without many of their regular players, as the captain (Andrew Balbirnie) and some of the star performers tested positive for COVID. On top of that, Mark Adair was injured and this severely weakened their bowling department. And despite all this, they managed to defeat West Indies. Andy McBrine had an exceptional outing, and he was supported by the pacer Craig Young. Now looking at the points table for the ICC Men's Cricket World Cup Super League, I believe there is a very good chance that Ireland may finish among the top 8.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on January 14, 2022, 02:30:06 AM

@blatchorn WI is a weak team now and yes they do have brilliant individuals in their ranks, but overall for me they’re a weak team and hence I’m not at all surprised that they were beaten so easily. Lastly WI can yet turn their fortunes around if their best player’s play more international cricket, but I can understand why they chose other leagues over international cricket due to more revenues being involved.

If these leagues continue to progress then teams like WI will go down in performance since there boards are not rich and leagues pay more to players. Its very unfortunate but its a reality we have to accept. WI has produced great players in the form of Brian Lara, Walsh but now there is hardly any noticeable name in there team.

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Quote from: blatchcorn on January 14, 2022, 02:18:15 AM

The level of WI cricket team has gone down too low that they are beaten by Ireland in 2nd ODI. The 3-match series now stand at level 1-1. WI managed to score 229 in 48 overs before there last batsman got out. Ireland won on D/L method but its a worrying sign for cricket, if teams like WI are at that level then we don't have much options left out.

@blatchorn WI is a weak team now and yes they do have brilliant individuals in their ranks, but overall for me they’re a weak team and hence I’m not at all surprised that they were beaten so easily. Lastly WI can yet turn their fortunes around if their best player’s play more international cricket, but I can understand why they chose other leagues over international cricket due to more revenues being involved.

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The level of WI cricket team has gone down too low that they are beaten by Ireland in 2nd ODI. The 3-match series now stand at level 1-1. WI managed to score 229 in 48 overs before there last batsman got out. Ireland won on D/L method but its a worrying sign for cricket, if teams like WI are at that level then we don't have much options left out.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 06, 2022, 09:39:13 PM

It's not just the Indian team. I have heard about similar incidents and issues from all the other Asian teams, including Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and Afghanistan. BTW, I don't think that Rohit is suitable to lead the team for the long term. He will be 35 years soon and may remain in international scene for another one or two years. I would say that either Rishabh Pant or Shreyas Iyer should be made the captain at least in one of the formats, so that they could replace Rohit in a couple of years from now.

India is biggest board so don't compare it with countries like Pak, BAN, SL and Afghan. There must be tight control of board on players like we have in England and Australia. Rohit is just made captain, let him try something before we start saying that he is not suitable for captaincy. He can play for 2 to 3 years from here on.

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Quote from: virasog on January 06, 2022, 02:47:51 PM

I feel there is a lot of politics being developed inside the indian cricket board and it may not be good for the team. Indian team is one of the best teams in these days but usually its the battle between the boards and players which have bad effects on the overall performance of the team.
They should select one captain and stick to it, Rohit is the ideal choice for now.

It's not just the Indian team. I have heard about similar incidents and issues from all the other Asian teams, including Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and Afghanistan. BTW, I don't think that Rohit is suitable to lead the team for the long term. He will be 35 years soon and may remain in international scene for another one or two years. I would say that either Rishabh Pant or Shreyas Iyer should be made the captain at least in one of the formats, so that they could replace Rohit in a couple of years from now.

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Quote from: doomloop on January 06, 2022, 02:40:07 PM

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I wonder why only a few people the questioned inclusion of vijay shankar, pant in World cup with 20 odd match of experience. Now here forget IPL but international level 10 matches have been captained by Rohit with good results and so we look forward that he will get us trophy as a captain. Kohli became ODI captain just in 2017 though we have drought of Cup from 2013 Dhoni also lost one WC as a captain.

Dohni case was different as he didn't speak anything against his board while Kohli has spoken against his board. I am doubtful that he may lose his spot in team after this conflict. For now it seems like India have only one choice of Captain aka Rohit and he still has few years left to play which is a positive sign for Team India.

Dhoni and Kohli both are completely stories and have different minds right now after all criticism I am still feeling Kohli is safe even no one sure what is going to happen in next hour BCCI authorities will never take any serious action against him and try to solve this all politely because it is need of time and BCCI both but in case Kohli going to talk more than most chances his career will be doomed and then selectors have some good choices with having some good experience in domestic and IPL like KL Rahul and Shreyas Iyer both are capable of holding things in better way now with strong system they can bring changes very frequently for better and bright future of Indian cricket.

I feel there is a lot of politics being developed inside the indian cricket board and it may not be good for the team. Indian team is one of the best teams in these days but usually its the battle between the boards and players which have bad effects on the overall performance of the team.
They should select one captain and stick to it, Rohit is the ideal choice for now.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on January 06, 2022, 12:22:44 AM

I wonder why only a few people the questioned inclusion of vijay shankar, pant in World cup with 20 odd match of experience. Now here forget IPL but international level 10 matches have been captained by Rohit with good results and so we look forward that he will get us trophy as a captain. Kohli became ODI captain just in 2017 though we have drought of Cup from 2013 Dhoni also lost one WC as a captain.

Dohni case was different as he didn't speak anything against his board while Kohli has spoken against his board. I am doubtful that he may lose his spot in team after this conflict. For now it seems like India have only one choice of Captain aka Rohit and he still has few years left to play which is a positive sign for Team India.

Dhoni and Kohli both are completely stories and have different minds right now after all criticism I am still feeling Kohli is safe even no one sure what is going to happen in next hour BCCI authorities will never take any serious action against him and try to solve this all politely because it is need of time and BCCI both but in case Kohli going to talk more than most chances his career will be doomed and then selectors have some good choices with having some good experience in domestic and IPL like KL Rahul and Shreyas Iyer both are capable of holding things in better way now with strong system they can bring changes very frequently for better and bright future of Indian cricket.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 05, 2022, 09:35:37 PM

While a lot of us have been focusing on the exclusion of Virat Kohli and the ongoing spat between him and Sourav Ganguly, another controversy is being played out in the margins. Hanuma Vihari was picked ahead of Shreyas Iyer, despite the latter being in good form. And this is not the first time that the selectors have given special treatment for Vihari. In a team where most of the batsmen averages around 50, Vihari has been able to get regular outings despite his test average being just 32 (I think only Temba Bavuma has a similar test batting average among all the regular batsmen).

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/ind-vs-sa-why-hanuma-vihari-replaced-virat-kohli-ahead-of-shreyas-iyer-for-johannesburg-test-101641215577645.html

The official justification is that Shreyas is unfit, which doesn't sound very believable for me.

Special treatment for Hanuma Vihari? This article sounds like Mumbai lobby usual rant when some Mumbaikar player doesn't get any chance lol

Following his career for sometime and in my reading it looks like management using him as a rubber, use and throw strategy most of the time. In the past when things got hard for the team Vihari opened the inning and majority of time poor guy bat with the tail in tough condition (Like yesterday) but when it comes to leaving out someone he's the first choice for everyone and hardly get any chance when playing at home, btw If form is the main criteria then why persisting with Pujara-Kohli-Rahane? Okay, Kohli is captain but what about other 2.

@Sithara007, I'm not sure what to say about this decision. If what you are saying is true, Vihari is getting special treatment for whatever reason, this is not good. This is not good for both the deserving player and the future of Indian Cricket.
Because as this type of approach keeps on continuing, it will become a trend and there will be a time when well-deserving players will get lost. So this trend needs to be cut off at the very root and primary level.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on January 06, 2022, 12:22:44 AM

I wonder why only a few people the questioned inclusion of vijay shankar, pant in World cup with 20 odd match of experience. Now here forget IPL but international level 10 matches have been captained by Rohit with good results and so we look forward that he will get us trophy as a captain. Kohli became ODI captain just in 2017 though we have drought of Cup from 2013 Dhoni also lost one WC as a captain.

Dohni case was different as he didn't speak anything against his board while Kohli has spoken against his board. I am doubtful that he may lose his spot in team after this conflict. For now it seems like India have only one choice of Captain aka Rohit and he still has few years left to play which is a positive sign for Team India.

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Quote from: JSRAW on January 06, 2022, 12:10:01 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on January 05, 2022, 09:35:37 PM

While a lot of us have been focusing on the exclusion of Virat Kohli and the ongoing spat between him and Sourav Ganguly, another controversy is being played out in the margins. Hanuma Vihari was picked ahead of Shreyas Iyer, despite the latter being in good form. And this is not the first time that the selectors have given special treatment for Vihari. In a team where most of the batsmen averages around 50, Vihari has been able to get regular outings despite his test average being just 32 (I think only Temba Bavuma has a similar test batting average among all the regular batsmen).

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/ind-vs-sa-why-hanuma-vihari-replaced-virat-kohli-ahead-of-shreyas-iyer-for-johannesburg-test-101641215577645.html

The official justification is that Shreyas is unfit, which doesn't sound very believable for me.

Special treatment for Hanuma Vihari? This article sounds like Mumbai lobby usual rant when some Mumbaikar player doesn't get any chance lol

Following his career for sometime and in my reading it looks like management using him as a rubber, use and throw strategy most of the time. In the past when things got hard for the team Vihari opened the inning and majority of time poor guy bat with the tail in tough condition (Like yesterday) but when it comes to leaving out someone he's the first choice for everyone and hardly get any chance when playing at home, btw If form is the main criteria then why persisting with Pujara-Kohli-Rahane? Okay, Kohli is captain but what about other 2.

I wonder why only a few people the questioned inclusion of vijay shankar, pant in World cup with 20 odd match of experience. Now here forget IPL but international level 10 matches have been captained by Rohit with good results and so we look forward that he will get us trophy as a captain. Kohli became ODI captain just in 2017 though we have drought of Cup from 2013 Dhoni also lost one WC as a captain.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 05, 2022, 09:35:37 PM

While a lot of us have been focusing on the exclusion of Virat Kohli and the ongoing spat between him and Sourav Ganguly, another controversy is being played out in the margins. Hanuma Vihari was picked ahead of Shreyas Iyer, despite the latter being in good form. And this is not the first time that the selectors have given special treatment for Vihari. In a team where most of the batsmen averages around 50, Vihari has been able to get regular outings despite his test average being just 32 (I think only Temba Bavuma has a similar test batting average among all the regular batsmen).

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/ind-vs-sa-why-hanuma-vihari-replaced-virat-kohli-ahead-of-shreyas-iyer-for-johannesburg-test-101641215577645.html

The official justification is that Shreyas is unfit, which doesn't sound very believable for me.

Special treatment for Hanuma Vihari? This article sounds like Mumbai lobby usual rant when some Mumbaikar player doesn't get any chance lol

Following his career for sometime and in my reading it looks like management using him as a rubber, use and throw strategy most of the time. In the past when things got hard for the team Vihari opened the inning and majority of time poor guy bat with the tail in tough condition (Like yesterday) but when it comes to leaving out someone he's the first choice for everyone and hardly get any chance when playing at home, btw If form is the main criteria then why persisting with Pujara-Kohli-Rahane? Okay, Kohli is captain but what about other 2.

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While a lot of us have been focusing on the exclusion of Virat Kohli and the ongoing spat between him and Sourav Ganguly, another controversy is being played out in the margins. Hanuma Vihari was picked ahead of Shreyas Iyer, despite the latter being in good form. And this is not the first time that the selectors have given special treatment for Vihari. In a team where most of the batsmen averages around 50, Vihari has been able to get regular outings despite his test average being just 32 (I think only Temba Bavuma has a similar test batting average among all the regular batsmen).

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/ind-vs-sa-why-hanuma-vihari-replaced-virat-kohli-ahead-of-shreyas-iyer-for-johannesburg-test-101641215577645.html

The official justification is that Shreyas is unfit, which doesn't sound very believable for me.

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Quote from: Minor Miner on January 05, 2022, 09:14:00 AM

India is a team who have a lot of quality players not being able to play just because there are too many quality players for the squad.

If what you said comes out true and Virat is not playing to show his displeasure, that will be a huge loss for him. As India surely has a batter to replace him and once you get out of the Indian squad, it's quite hard to make a return.

And with the form Virat is in right now, I don't think what he's thinking is the right decision. He might be the sole reason for his own downfall and no one can do anything about it.

Right now, India is full of quality and skilled players, so now it's time for Kohli to came down on earth and do his work for staying into time for some more years because I check many cases discipline is most important for any team and country instead of player and his records. So, if he is doing anything selfishly then management need to take some stick action against him as this will be good for many others in pipeline for having better and powerful role in future.

I never have any doubt about his commitment for country and skills in this game, but now it's time for having change his mind and play like a legendary player instead of doing foul plays against any other even he is doing something wrong he needs to be good.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on January 05, 2022, 08:51:45 AM

You are right. Now that he is no longer the captain in any format, the board can easily replace him if he underperforms. He had the immunity of being auto-picked as he was the captain, and also he was given freedom outside the field as well but now I think he should be treated the same just like any other player.

If he does something out of the line, he should be punished accordingly. I'm not sure about whether he actually refused to play or not, maybe we need some days to actually figure out what the actual matter is.

To maintain discipline in the team boards have to take tough decisions no matter who is the player. Indians are crazy for cricket and there will be lots of replacement for virat Kohli. He need to be very careful in curretn situation as he has lost captaincy, he must not lose his position in the squad.

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