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Quote from: Minor Miner on January 21, 2022, 12:52:30 AM

What is your prediction about the second ODI match between South Africa and India to be held shortly? Neither the Indian bowler nor the batsman played well in the first match. India lost by 31 runs.
In today's match, captain/opener KL Rahul will have to play well. The match will be under control if the top-order batsmen can play well. If Iyer and Aswin had batted better in the previous match, India could have easily won the match. But the players could not be set at the crease.

My prediction for today's match would be South Africa will win this match to clinch the series due to home advantage and weaklinks of Indian attack in all departments. Indian spinners are not effective and in pace attack only Bumbrah seems good and in batting department, I guess India needs to fix lots of things hence just making 1 or 2 changes may not get back everything on their way. I am afraid that this is going to be very hard time for Kl Rahul and Rahul Dravid.

South Africa got better odds for today's match against India's odd of 1.65, so I guess I may get better profits if my prediction goes right as I have placed my bet on South Africa with odds 2.16

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What is your prediction about the second ODI match between South Africa and India to be held shortly? Neither the Indian bowler nor the batsman played well in the first match. India lost by 31 runs.
In today's match, captain/opener KL Rahul will have to play well. The match will be under control if the top-order batsmen can play well. If Iyer and Aswin had batted better in the previous match, India could have easily won the match. But the players could not be set at the crease.

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The committee probably felt that Rahul could do a good job as a captain since he has experience related to that role and he is great batsman+WK, but they clearly ignored the fact that he isn't really a good captain.

I wouldn't choose Pant either as captain for similar reasons. I would choose Ashwin as test captain, Bumrah/S Iyer as ODI captain and Rohit/Dhawan/Bumrah as T-20 captain.

Rahul was pathetic as the captain of Punjab Kings. His individual record is good, but he has clearly failed to motivate the team. And his tactics were poor, especially during crucial situations. Ashwin is quite experienced and I would like to see him as the captain. But there is a lot of bad blood between him and Kohli. There have been some well publicized spats between the two. And those from Kohli's cabal may be unhappy if Ashwin is made the captain. For Rohit and Dhawan, I am not having a favorable view. These oldies have failed whenever the opportunity was given to them.

Yes KL Rahul's captaincy for Punjab Kings for really poor. His decisions were questionable again and again like not playing bishnoi in a lot of matches and that is the reason Punjab is not able to qualify even for the playoffs. His batting stats are good but as a captain I dont like him.
But Rohit sharma will do well as a captain that is what is feel as he has done for mumbai indians.

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Quote from: Haunebu on January 20, 2022, 03:46:21 PM

The committee probably felt that Rahul could do a good job as a captain since he has experience related to that role and he is great batsman+WK, but they clearly ignored the fact that he isn't really a good captain.

I wouldn't choose Pant either as captain for similar reasons. I would choose Ashwin as test captain, Bumrah/S Iyer as ODI captain and Rohit/Dhawan/Bumrah as T-20 captain.

Rahul was pathetic as the captain of Punjab Kings. His individual record is good, but he has clearly failed to motivate the team. And his tactics were poor, especially during crucial situations. Ashwin is quite experienced and I would like to see him as the captain. But there is a lot of bad blood between him and Kohli. There have been some well publicized spats between the two. And those from Kohli's cabal may be unhappy if Ashwin is made the captain. For Rohit and Dhawan, I am not having a favorable view. These oldies have failed whenever the opportunity was given to them.

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Quote from: galambo on January 19, 2022, 08:37:02 PM

India will definitely try there best to win this series but its SA that is showing exceptional performance in this series. Indians were favorite for this series but the Kohli/BCCI tussle is badly hurting Indian cricket team performance. India don't have good bilateral series record at SA, it was expected India will
change that record this time.

I don't know whether the ongoing dispute between Kohli and BCCI has anything to do with the poor performance of the Indian team. During the last match, it was the bowlers who failed to perform. Captaincy tactics from KL Rahul was not up to the mark, as he refused to provide any opportunity to Venkatesh Iyer to test his medium pace. Shardul Thakur was going at a rate of more than 7 runs per over, and at this point I thought that Venkatesh would have done a better job. Just confirms my view that Shreyas Iyer is a much better captain, when compared to Rahul.

I do not think the ongoing dispute is the reason for India's loss. South Africa really played well in the first ODI. They had lost very quick 3 wickets but an amazing knock by Rassie van der Dussen was the primary reason for India's loss. Another reason is that India's lower middle order also collapsed very quickly. If Thakur hadn't contributed his 50 then India would have lost the match by a big margin.

The dispute is now connected with the loss, and the true reason is the lack of performance from the middle order. KL Rahul didn't made it, but Dhawan and Kohli managed to keep the scores. Once after that Rishabh, Shreyas, Venkatesh should've taken responsibility and performed. This middle order batting power disturbed the scoring and the same served to be the reason for losing the first ODI.

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Quote from: JSRAW on January 20, 2022, 05:58:00 AM

Protea's batter Buvama and Dussen did play excellent but i do agree with Sithara on captaincy issue tho. KL Rahul looks clueless when leading the team. Witnessed multiple times in IPL, in last test against SA and now this ODI. They added Venkatesh as all rounder in the team and they didn't even bother to give him 2-3 overs? If he's not bowling then why add him in the playing XI, add another full time batter instead, if that's your gameplan.

The committee probably felt that Rahul could do a good job as a captain since he has experience related to that role and he is great batsman+WK, but they clearly ignored the fact that he isn't really a good captain.

I wouldn't choose Pant either as captain for similar reasons. I would choose Ashwin as test captain, Bumrah/S Iyer as ODI captain and Rohit/Dhawan/Bumrah as T-20 captain.

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Quote from: JSRAW on January 20, 2022, 05:58:00 AM

KL Rahul looks clueless when leading the team. Witnessed multiple times in IPL, in last test against SA and now this ODI. They added Venkatesh as all rounder in the team and they didn't even bother to give him 2-3 overs? If he's not bowling then why add him in the playing XI, add another full time batter instead, if that's your gameplan.

Yeah, it seems the new skipper's decision making was the reason for the defeat in the first ODI even India got decent start initially. I guess Venkatesh Iyer should open for India and KL Rahul at four. Also, I guess Instead of playing 2 spinners in South Africa, India need to go with one more pacer to have better bowling attack. India need to fix many things to stay alive in this oneday series not sure how Dravid and Rahul combo going to address at this crucial time.

Probably India will make 2 or more changes to have better approach on both batting and bowling still KL Rahul's plans on high pressure times is a key here. In my opinion also, KL Rahul did few questionable decisions in IPL's last 2 seasons.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on January 20, 2022, 04:00:11 AM

I do not think the ongoing dispute is the reason for India's loss. South Africa really played well in the first ODI. They had lost very quick 3 wickets but an amazing knock by Rassie van der Dussen was the primary reason for India's loss. Another reason is that India's lower middle order also collapsed very quickly. If Thakur hadn't contributed his 50 then India would have lost the match by a big margin.

Protea's batter Buvama and Dussen did play excellent but i do agree with Sithara on captaincy issue tho. KL Rahul looks clueless when leading the team. Witnessed multiple times in IPL, in last test against SA and now this ODI. They added Venkatesh as all rounder in the team and they didn't even bother to give him 2-3 overs? If he's not bowling then why add him in the playing XI, add another full time batter instead, if that's your gameplan.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 19, 2022, 09:32:39 PM

Quote from: galambo on January 19, 2022, 08:37:02 PM

India will definitely try there best to win this series but its SA that is showing exceptional performance in this series. Indians were favorite for this series but the Kohli/BCCI tussle is badly hurting Indian cricket team performance. India don't have good bilateral series record at SA, it was expected India will
change that record this time.

I don't know whether the ongoing dispute between Kohli and BCCI has anything to do with the poor performance of the Indian team. During the last match, it was the bowlers who failed to perform. Captaincy tactics from KL Rahul was not up to the mark, as he refused to provide any opportunity to Venkatesh Iyer to test his medium pace. Shardul Thakur was going at a rate of more than 7 runs per over, and at this point I thought that Venkatesh would have done a better job. Just confirms my view that Shreyas Iyer is a much better captain, when compared to Rahul.

I do not think the ongoing dispute is the reason for India's loss. South Africa really played well in the first ODI. They had lost very quick 3 wickets but an amazing knock by Rassie van der Dussen was the primary reason for India's loss. Another reason is that India's lower middle order also collapsed very quickly. If Thakur hadn't contributed his 50 then India would have lost the match by a big margin.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 19, 2022, 09:32:39 PM

I don't know whether the ongoing dispute between Kohli and BCCI has anything to do with the poor performance of the Indian team. During the last match, it was the bowlers who failed to perform. Captaincy tactics from KL Rahul was not up to the mark, as he refused to provide any opportunity to Venkatesh Iyer to test his medium pace. Shardul Thakur was going at a rate of more than 7 runs per over, and at this point I thought that Venkatesh would have done a better job. Just confirms my view that Shreyas Iyer is a much better captain, when compared to Rahul.

Not to forget superb knock from Rassie van der Dussen, 129 on 96 balls along with his captain support. Temba Bavuma was a bit slow in scoring runs, scored 110 with S/R of just 76 but the main point is he kept the other end while Rassie was scoring runs. You can't do much when you are chasing 296.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on January 19, 2022, 05:28:19 PM

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Here goes middle order. Grin

5 down.

Even in the Test matches if the middle order would have performed the results would have been different. The same situation is happening in ODI as well, the openers started well and Shikhar Dhawan played a really great innings and his position is safe until Rohit Sharma returns. Not sure what happened to the younger players that used to perform. Not expecting much in this series.

If they really want to use these young players effectively then both Iyers in the middle order(Shreyas and Venkatesh) need a long rope, like 2-3 complete series and not just 1 match every now n then. Don't want to see another Ambati Rayudu fiasco in the middle order.

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Quote from: galambo on January 19, 2022, 08:37:02 PM

India will definitely try there best to win this series but its SA that is showing exceptional performance in this series. Indians were favorite for this series but the Kohli/BCCI tussle is badly hurting Indian cricket team performance. India don't have good bilateral series record at SA, it was expected India will
change that record this time.

I don't know whether the ongoing dispute between Kohli and BCCI has anything to do with the poor performance of the Indian team. During the last match, it was the bowlers who failed to perform. Captaincy tactics from KL Rahul was not up to the mark, as he refused to provide any opportunity to Venkatesh Iyer to test his medium pace. Shardul Thakur was going at a rate of more than 7 runs per over, and at this point I thought that Venkatesh would have done a better job. Just confirms my view that Shreyas Iyer is a much better captain, when compared to Rahul.

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Quote from: Mahdirakib on January 19, 2022, 12:21:53 PM

Yeah, a bad start for team India in the ODI series after a bad end in the test series. Inexperienced South African players has batted well than the experienced Indian batters. Seems like Indian players are struggling in every format in this away series. Anyway, I'm expecting a strong come back from them in the next match. Still they have the opportunity to win the ODI series by showing better performance in the upcoming matches.

India will definitely try there best to win this series but its SA that is showing exceptional performance in this series. Indians were favorite for this series but the Kohli/BCCI tussle is badly hurting Indian cricket team performance. India don't have good bilateral series record at SA, it was expected India will change that record this time.

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Quote from: JSRAW on January 19, 2022, 10:07:05 AM

Here goes middle order. Grin

5 down.

Even in the Test matches if the middle order would have performed the results would have been different. The same situation is happening in ODI as well, the openers started well and Shikhar Dhawan played a really great innings and his position is safe until Rohit Sharma returns. Not sure what happened to the younger players that used to perform. Not expecting much in this series.

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Quote from: Mahdirakib on January 19, 2022, 12:21:53 PM

a bad start for team India in the ODI series after a bad end in the test series. Inexperienced South African players has batted well than the experienced Indian batters. Seems like Indian players are struggling in every format in this away series. Anyway, I'm expecting a strong come back from them in the next match. Still they have the opportunity to win the ODI series by showing better performance in the upcoming matches.

Surely very poor efforts from batting line-up as they fail to give any better response after wickets of Dhawan and Kohli at the end Thakur done some good resistance for this was not enough to having good end for them.

Now it's time for having some tactical changes into batting line-up for having some better results in remaining matches because if they fail to do some better than surely after test series now in ODI series they are going to have same result which could be very bad for them, and surely it's going to hurt all team in future. South African youths doing some better in absence of many start players which is very good signal for them as now they can prepare better for future.

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India lost by 31 runs. They started the innings very well but could not win the match. Shikhar Dhawan was able to score 79 and Virat Kohli 51. After these two batsmen were out, no other batsman could play well except Shardul Thakur. Aswin and Rishab Pant, two experienced batsmen, failed today. If they could have batted a little better then maybe India could have won this match. However, India also lost the first ODI match after losing the Test series.

Yeah, a bad start for team India in the ODI series after a bad end in the test series. Inexperienced South African players has batted well than the experienced Indian batters. Seems like Indian players are struggling in every format in this away series. Anyway, I'm expecting a strong come back from them in the next match. Still they have the opportunity to win the ODI series by showing better performance in the upcoming matches.

India would have expected to win this match very easily when dhawan and Virat were batting. Things were looking very easy at that time, they were milking runs pretty easily but after the wicket of dhawan, no one looked convincing,they just came and gone. Just at the end shardul made some runs but it was not enough.

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Quote from: kro55 on January 19, 2022, 11:46:55 AM

India lost by 31 runs. They started the innings very well but could not win the match. Shikhar Dhawan was able to score 79 and Virat Kohli 51. After these two batsmen were out, no other batsman could play well except Shardul Thakur. Aswin and Rishab Pant, two experienced batsmen, failed today. If they could have batted a little better then maybe India could have won this match. However, India also lost the first ODI match after losing the Test series.

Yeah, a bad start for team India in the ODI series after a bad end in the test series. Inexperienced South African players has batted well than the experienced Indian batters. Seems like Indian players are struggling in every format in this away series. Anyway, I'm expecting a strong come back from them in the next match. Still they have the opportunity to win the ODI series by showing better performance in the upcoming matches.

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Quote from: kro55 on January 19, 2022, 11:46:55 AM

India lost by 31 runs. They started the innings very well but could not win the match. Shikhar Dhawan was able to score 79 and Virat Kohli 51. After these two batsmen were out, no other batsman could play well except Shardul Thakur. Aswin and Rishab Pant, two experienced batsmen, failed today. If they could have batted a little better then maybe India could have won this match. However, India also lost the first ODI match after losing the Test series.

Before start of this tour, India was favorite just like England was favorite before Ashes. Nonetheless these are much needed victories for SA, as they were very much down and out in all formats. Test series win and now this odi win will boost there confidence and who knows SA may be on there road to regain lost glory.

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India vs South Africa

South Africa gave a target of 297 runs. This run was enough to win if the bowlers could play well. But the bowler is not doing anything good. India lost just 2 wickets in 26 overs, 152 runs. The top order batsmen played well. The match is still under Indian control. If they can continue like this and if Kohli can stay at the crease till 35overs then India will win the match.

Just now India lost the wicket of Shreyas Iyer. They collected 181/4 in 33.5 overs. India need 116 runs in 16.1 overs to win. They have to collect more than 6 runs in each over. It is becoming difficult for India to win the match. Rishab Pant and Venkatesh Iyer are now batting at the crease. Pant has to play well today. If he doesn't play well, it will be more difficult for India to win the match.

India lost by 31 runs. They started the innings very well but could not win the match. Shikhar Dhawan was able to score 79 and Virat Kohli 51. After these two batsmen were out, no other batsman could play well except Shardul Thakur. Aswin and Rishab Pant, two experienced batsmen, failed today. If they could have batted a little better then maybe India could have won this match. However, India also lost the first ODI match after losing the Test series.

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