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I seriously considered placing an order at the beginning, but ultimately chose not to as I don't really have the liquid funds. If I was convinced they would deliver on time I might have ordered, but even then my funds would only allow for a single K16. What gets me right now is that people are snapping up ASICminer blades and Block Erupters at twice the cost per GH than Avalon offer. While they are actually able to be mining in just a few days of order the huge increases we see in difficulty due to the influx of new equipment prices them out of the market pretty quickly, and possibly even Terrahash before they even get started. Clearly this is why people are so upset. I got in to this game way to late and I'll never make a profit, but I would at least have liked a fighting chance. Doesn't look like that will ever happen now.
"Divulging information that no professional company....?"
WTF is this?
Do you seriously think that Terrahash is under any obligation to post pictures of POs? Or even parts come to that? Or to discuss any negotiations they may be in with any supplier for any parts large or small? Whether said supplier is on time or late?WTF is this?
Either way it makes no odds to me, as I chose not to pre-order. They still look like the best bet if they ever manage to get some in stock, and that's when I'll buy.
Uhhh... you didnt buy anything and you are defending their stellar performance thus far?
Great. We clearly know you have the best at heart for all parties.
To your points... I agree. But if we didnt start asking these questions, we would not have known how to help terrahash with their mess.
It is clear cut that they could not have met the obligations to deliver on time even if the Avalon chips arrived a month ago.
If you read terrahash's post a few moments ago, you will find that he is still far behind from getting the Raw BOM pieced together.
Also... not to inflame old discussions again but... he still hasnt been able to get even a single Klondike to hash at the advertised rate.
... which is why i am saying we still have many problems we need to focus on trying to level up Terrahash in order to dream of ever seeing our orders...
EDIT: advertised rate is only 281.25 m/hash per chip....
"Divulging information that no professional company....?"
WTF is this?
Do you seriously think that Terrahash is under any obligation to post pictures of POs? Or even parts come to that? Or to discuss any negotiations they may be in with any supplier for any parts large or small? Whether said supplier is on time or late?WTF is this?
Either way it makes no odds to me, as I chose not to pre-order. They still look like the best bet if they ever manage to get some in stock, and that's when I'll buy.
Uhhh... you didnt buy anything and you are defending their stellar performance thus far?
Great. We clearly know you have the best at heart for all parties.
To your points... I agree. But if we didnt start asking these questions, we would not have known how to help terrahash with their mess.
It is clear cut that they could not have met the obligations to deliver on time even if the Avalon chips arrived a month ago.
If you read terrahash's post a few moments ago, you will find that he is still far behind from getting the Raw BOM pieced together.
Also... not to inflame old discussions again but... he still hasnt been able to get even a single Klondike to hash at the advertised rate.
... which is why i am saying we still have many problems we need to focus on trying to level up Terrahash in order to dream of ever seeing our orders...
Before anyone in hear ever bitches about anything, please list you TH order number and the amount of chips you have on order with them. Otherwise stfu
Sincerely,
Thank you,
MMNC
I'm just here for the entertainment value.Sincerely,
Thank you,
MMNC
TH order number zero
Chips on order zero
Watching kkooks run around like a headless chicken - priceless.
Thanks for posting your credentials just the same
Before anyone in hear ever bitches about anything, please list you TH order number and the amount of chips you have on order with them. Otherwise stfu
Sincerely,
Thank you,
MMNC
I'm just here for the entertainment value.Sincerely,
Thank you,
MMNC
TH order number zero
Chips on order zero
Watching kkooks run around like a headless chicken - priceless.
Before anyone in hear ever bitches about anything, please list you TH order number and the amount of chips you have on order with them. Otherwise stfu
Sincerely,
Thank you,
MMNC
Sincerely,
Thank you,
MMNC
"Divulging information that no professional company....?"
WTF is this?
Do you seriously think that Terrahash is under any obligation to post pictures of POs? Or even parts come to that? Or to discuss any negotiations they may be in with any supplier for any parts large or small? Whether said supplier is on time or late?WTF is this?
Either way it makes no odds to me, as I chose not to pre-order. They still look like the best bet if they ever manage to get some in stock, and that's when I'll buy.
All the group buys have to do is force Yifu and Avalon into face to face talks and place some legitimate damage compensation remedies on the table then move forward with what that will be. Yifu is going to play ball because it is too stupid not to. He made mad profit off this he can return a few percent of it back to counter the losses. Its not that big of a deal if people will just make it happen. Who wouldn't do that? Its baffling.
Bicknellski is the only one I have heard actually try to get anything going, everyone is quiet as a dead baby.
I know im just so dumb I am clueless, and I know that you and you alone only knows everything about what ought to be done, forgive me for ever doubting your wonderfull depth and wisdom on such complex matters,,,what are you 19 or something? lol lil wussy please leave here now vagil before i call the cops on yaQuote
I sure as hell hope you didn't order anything from BFL! lol, what we are going through is childs play compared to that mess...I dont recall reading about anyone suing them???
I never said dick about a lawsuit, stop dropping strawmen argument in here. You are such an ignorant shillbag.Bicknellski is the only one I have heard actually try to get anything going, everyone is quiet as a dead baby.
EDIT: your nothing other than a loud mouth trouble maker lately! we know your kind
Oh dear-- lets redirect our energy toward piecing Terrahash together from their project management fiasco
#1 Goal
Keep terrahash accountable for their obligations to us so that they dont turn into BFL or have a severe PR crisis like Avalon
#2 WE need to create a success story outta Terrahash because the world is watching BTC and losing faith (scams, drugs, tax evasion etc etc)
We are all vested in the success of BTC are we not?
#1 Goal
Keep terrahash accountable for their obligations to us so that they dont turn into BFL or have a severe PR crisis like Avalon
#2 WE need to create a success story outta Terrahash because the world is watching BTC and losing faith (scams, drugs, tax evasion etc etc)
We are all vested in the success of BTC are we not?
All the group buys have to do is force Yifu and Avalon into face to face talks and place some legitimate damage compensation remedies on the table then move forward with what that will be. Yifu is going to play ball because it is too stupid not to. He made mad profit off this he can return a few percent of it back to counter the losses. Its not that big of a deal if people will just make it happen. Who wouldn't do that? Its baffling.
Bicknellski is the only one I have heard actually try to get anything going, everyone is quiet as a dead baby.
I know im just so dumb I am clueless, and I know that you and you alone only knows everything about what ought to be done, forgive me for ever doubting your wonderfull depth and wisdom on such complex matters,,,what are you 19 or something? lol lil wussy please leave here now vagil before i call the cops on yaQuote
I sure as hell hope you didn't order anything from BFL! lol, what we are going through is childs play compared to that mess...I dont recall reading about anyone suing them???
I never said dick about a lawsuit, stop dropping strawmen argument in here. You are such an ignorant shillbag.Bicknellski is the only one I have heard actually try to get anything going, everyone is quiet as a dead baby.
EDIT: your nothing other than a loud mouth trouble maker lately! we know your kind
I'm simply amazed at the naivety and unrealistic expectations in this thread. On the one hand people willingly gave money for a product that didn't exist in an industry with a track record fostered by the likes of BFL. They want Terrahash to be totally professional and above board, which is understandable, but on the other hand they want them to divulge all kinds of information that no professional company would ever dream of doing. I'm not in the least bit surprised that Terrahash remains mostly silent on much of what's being asked of them.
From what I can tell the main question is when will you ship. And the answer hasn't changed since day one - two weeks after we get the chips from Avalon.
But I gotta tell you this. It makes for some excellent reading!
"Divulging information that no professional company....?"From what I can tell the main question is when will you ship. And the answer hasn't changed since day one - two weeks after we get the chips from Avalon.
But I gotta tell you this. It makes for some excellent reading!
WTF is this?
I'm simply amazed at the naivety and unrealistic expectations in this thread. On the one hand people willingly gave money for a product that didn't exist in an industry with a track record fostered by the likes of BFL. They want Terrahash to be totally professional and above board, which is understandable, but on the other hand they want them to divulge all kinds of information that no professional company would ever dream of doing. I'm not in the least bit surprised that Terrahash remains mostly silent on much of what's being asked of them.
From what I can tell the main question is when will you ship. And the answer hasn't changed since day one - two weeks after we get the chips from Avalon.
But I gotta tell you this. It makes for some excellent reading!
From what I can tell the main question is when will you ship. And the answer hasn't changed since day one - two weeks after we get the chips from Avalon.
But I gotta tell you this. It makes for some excellent reading!
All the group buys have to do is force Yifu and Avalon into face to face talks and place some legitimate damage compensation remedies on the table then move forward with what that will be. Yifu is going to play ball because it is too stupid not to. He made mad profit off this he can return a few percent of it back to counter the losses. Its not that big of a deal if people will just make it happen. Who wouldn't do that? Its baffling.
Bicknellski is the only one I have heard actually try to get anything going, everyone is quiet as a dead baby.
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I sure as hell hope you didn't order anything from BFL! lol, what we are going through is childs play compared to that mess...I dont recall reading about anyone suing them???
I never said dick about a lawsuit, stop dropping strawmen argument in here. You are such an ignorant shillbag.Bicknellski is the only one I have heard actually try to get anything going, everyone is quiet as a dead baby.
What don't you understand about there is nothing to talk to Avalon about.
If you try to threaten them, they delay your chips and you are royally screwed.
If you try to contact them they don't pick up or reply.
Maybe you don't understand the concept of being held by the nuts.
Do you think Terrahash wants this delay? You have to be NUTS, they stand to make a ton of money from mounting peoples chips.
Go read a nice long book I recommend this for you, by the time you are done Avalon will have delivered the chips and you can decide what to do from there.
Of course there is. They missed their contractual deadline. If Avalon doesn't want to answer the phone then TerraHash and the group buys need to get a lawyer to force talks with them. How hard is that for you to understand. Avalon isn't going to want a lawsuit so they will compromise and make-up for lost time. they don't have to actually go through the whole process of litigation, they can negotiate. If you try to threaten them, they delay your chips and you are royally screwed.
If you try to contact them they don't pick up or reply.
Maybe you don't understand the concept of being held by the nuts.
Do you think Terrahash wants this delay? You have to be NUTS, they stand to make a ton of money from mounting peoples chips.
Go read a nice long book I recommend this for you, by the time you are done Avalon will have delivered the chips and you can decide what to do from there.
First, if they were even a US Based Company (I believe they are a Chinese Company) even if you "lawyered" up, it would take years to come to any sort of conclusion or remedy.
Secondly, if they are a Chinese based company they will literally laugh at you if you mention the word lawyer.
Sorry but this is how is it.
Also someone already suggested this, do you really think you can "Out lawyer" them when they are sitting on 70,000 bitcoins?
What don't you understand about there is nothing to talk to Avalon about.
If you try to threaten them, they delay your chips and you are royally screwed.
If you try to contact them they don't pick up or reply.
Maybe you don't understand the concept of being held by the nuts.
Do you think Terrahash wants this delay? You have to be NUTS, they stand to make a ton of money from mounting peoples chips.
Go read a nice long book I recommend this for you, by the time you are done Avalon will have delivered the chips and you can decide what to do from there.
Of course there is. They missed their contractual deadline. If Avalon doesn't want to answer the phone then TerraHash and the group buys need to get a lawyer to force talks with them. How hard is that for you to understand. Avalon isn't going to want a lawsuit so they will compromise and make-up for lost time. they don't have to actually go through the whole process of litigation, they can negotiate. If you try to threaten them, they delay your chips and you are royally screwed.
If you try to contact them they don't pick up or reply.
Maybe you don't understand the concept of being held by the nuts.
Do you think Terrahash wants this delay? You have to be NUTS, they stand to make a ton of money from mounting peoples chips.
Go read a nice long book I recommend this for you, by the time you are done Avalon will have delivered the chips and you can decide what to do from there.
First, if they were even a US Based Company (I believe they are a Chinese Company) even if you "lawyered" up, it would take years to come to any sort of conclusion or remedy.
Secondly, if they are a Chinese based company they will literally laugh at you if you mention the word lawyer.
Sorry but this is how is it.
Also someone already suggested this, do you really think you can "Out lawyer" them when they are sitting on 70,000 bitcoins?
yeah... I understand what you are saying... I dont know how accurate your statements are... but always remember
"All that it takes for evil to prevail, is for good men to do nothing"
So this is really a business decision that Amir will have to make--
Terrahash has an obligation to us
Avalon to Terrahash
What don't you understand about there is nothing to talk to Avalon about.
If you try to threaten them, they delay your chips and you are royally screwed.
If you try to contact them they don't pick up or reply.
Maybe you don't understand the concept of being held by the nuts.
Do you think Terrahash wants this delay? You have to be NUTS, they stand to make a ton of money from mounting peoples chips.
Go read a nice long book I recommend this for you, by the time you are done Avalon will have delivered the chips and you can decide what to do from there.
Of course there is. They missed their contractual deadline. If Avalon doesn't want to answer the phone then TerraHash and the group buys need to get a lawyer to force talks with them. How hard is that for you to understand. Avalon isn't going to want a lawsuit so they will compromise and make-up for lost time. they don't have to actually go through the whole process of litigation, they can negotiate. If you try to threaten them, they delay your chips and you are royally screwed.
If you try to contact them they don't pick up or reply.
Maybe you don't understand the concept of being held by the nuts.
Do you think Terrahash wants this delay? You have to be NUTS, they stand to make a ton of money from mounting peoples chips.
Go read a nice long book I recommend this for you, by the time you are done Avalon will have delivered the chips and you can decide what to do from there.
First, if they were even a US Based Company (I believe they are a Chinese Company) even if you "lawyered" up, it would take years to come to any sort of conclusion or remedy.
Secondly, if they are a Chinese based company they will literally laugh at you if you mention the word lawyer.
Sorry but this is how is it.
Also someone already suggested this, do you really think you can "Out lawyer" them when they are sitting on 70,000 bitcoins?
What don't you understand about there is nothing to talk to Avalon about.
If you try to threaten them, they delay your chips and you are royally screwed.
If you try to contact them they don't pick up or reply.
Maybe you don't understand the concept of being held by the nuts.
Do you think Terrahash wants this delay? You have to be NUTS, they stand to make a ton of money from mounting peoples chips.
Go read a nice long book I recommend this for you, by the time you are done Avalon will have delivered the chips and you can decide what to do from there.
Of course there is. They missed their contractual deadline. If Avalon doesn't want to answer the phone then TerraHash and the group buys need to get a lawyer to force talks with them. How hard is that for you to understand. Avalon isn't going to want a lawsuit so they will compromise and make-up for lost time. they don't have to actually go through the whole process of litigation, they can negotiate. If you try to threaten them, they delay your chips and you are royally screwed.
If you try to contact them they don't pick up or reply.
Maybe you don't understand the concept of being held by the nuts.
Do you think Terrahash wants this delay? You have to be NUTS, they stand to make a ton of money from mounting peoples chips.
Go read a nice long book I recommend this for you, by the time you are done Avalon will have delivered the chips and you can decide what to do from there.
Bottom line is they have a responsibility to require that Avalon compensate them for damages but they are silent and have no intention of doing so.
How do you know what Terrahash is or isn't doing? You do realize that things do happen that aren't posted on the bitcointalk internet forum, right?
Bottom line is they have a responsibility to require that Avalon compensate them for damages but they are silent and have no intention of doing so.
How do you know what Terrahash is or isn't doing? You do realize that things do happen that aren't posted on the bitcointalk internet forum, right?
For me, I want the Klondikes. Not refunds preferably. And after that I want to reorder more from TH. I'm giving it another 1-2 weeks on the chips and for more accurate info on time frame. yifu said they will begin shipping late this week. So lets see. I'm sure TH wants them as badly as we do.
Then why aren't they putting pressure on Avalon to compensate for not meeting their deadline? Jump to: