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legendary
Activity: 2198
Merit: 1000
August 11, 2013, 07:02:27 PM

Taking money and not offering any refunds up until 2-3 month after estimated delivery is "Slimy"

Taking money and offering a refund until shipping starts is not "slimy"

+1 - Glad we agree. Although, I would add changing the refund policy right before taking orders and then stating that they would consider refunds in the forums as slightly slimy.

exactly...

IMHO

in the event that he refuses a full refund to customers that decide to forego the wait after the committed 8/15 date, the loss of profit to us + paid monies + interest should be fully recoverable (if we can prove that the intent of terrahash was never to deliver on time)

In many ways, we are helping terrahash ensure his exposure for trying to do the "right thing" is fair.
As long as he follows through with all obligations other than Avalon issues at this point he should be in good shape...

(I've not even gone through his other exposures yet-- does he have the labor in place to assemble. Has he proven out on the production rate whereby the delivery timing can be met. Has he conducted sufficient training with his staff etc etc etc)

...BTW avalon should hire some legal counsel.


What was your order # with TH and how many chips total are you committed to? if you don't mind sharing that with us Smiley
legendary
Activity: 2198
Merit: 1000
August 11, 2013, 06:59:57 PM
For me, I want the Klondikes.  Not refunds preferably. And after that I want to reorder more from TH. I'm giving it another 1-2 weeks on the chips and for more accurate info on time frame. yifu said they will begin shipping late this week. So lets see. I'm sure TH wants them as badly as we do.
member
Activity: 98
Merit: 10
August 11, 2013, 06:56:31 PM

Taking money and not offering any refunds up until 2-3 month after estimated delivery is "Slimy"

Taking money and offering a refund until shipping starts is not "slimy"

+1 - Glad we agree. Although, I would add changing the refund policy right before taking orders and then stating that they would consider refunds in the forums as slightly slimy.

exactly...

IMHO

in the event that he refuses a full refund to customers that decide to forego the wait after the committed 8/15 date, the loss of profit to us + paid monies + interest should be fully recoverable (if we can prove that the intent of terrahash was never to deliver on time)

In many ways, we are helping terrahash ensure his exposure for trying to do the "right thing" is fair.
As long as he follows through with all obligations other than Avalon issues at this point he should be in good shape...

(I've not even gone through his other exposures yet-- does he have the labor in place to assemble. Has he proven out on the production rate whereby the delivery timing can be met. Has he conducted sufficient training with his staff etc etc etc)

...BTW avalon should hire some legal counsel.

sr. member
Activity: 378
Merit: 250
August 11, 2013, 06:51:42 PM
Bottom line is they have a responsibility to require that Avalon compensate them for damages but they are silent and have no intention of doing so.
hero member
Activity: 630
Merit: 500
August 11, 2013, 06:46:02 PM

Taking money and not offering any refunds up until 2-3 month after estimated delivery is "Slimy"

Taking money and offering a refund until shipping starts is not "slimy"

+1 - Glad we agree. Although, I would add changing the refund policy right before taking orders and then stating that they would consider refunds in the forums as slightly slimy.
member
Activity: 98
Merit: 10
August 11, 2013, 06:41:01 PM
Some nice shitstorm happens here.
We are where we are.
If TH made that they said, they done all perfect.

Avalon clones from china, which i seen link here before in thread is scam,
there are also mistical customers from Spain who got chips apart from Zefir B1, but maybe it's just urban legends.
gen2 will not arrive in september, then another 8-10 weeks lead time.

Question is in chips only

Correct me if i'm wrong

Thanks

We seem to be making progress with project management issues--

Terrahash-- please work to close out the open issues that your company is responsible for before 8/15.
Should you fail to complete those obligations by then, my project management skills wont help your case beyond that date.
1. PSUs (open ETA TBD)
2. Cases (open ETA TBD)
3. Head Sinks (open ETA TBD)
4. PCBs (open ETA TBD)
5. Board BOM (closed)
6. Avalon (closed)

If you cannot meet the 8/15 date, be sure to issue a Force Majeure letter to your customers immediately as well.
This will help your case in court when you fail to deliver.

Also, in your Force Majeure letter, include the option for your customers to opt for a partial shipment (if case + psu was ordered). Include basic visual installation instructions for when the completed, fully populated boards are delivered so that your customers can DIY. Cost of shipment should be footed by your company at 100% obviously but you will recover much more in labor, time, and public relations.
hero member
Activity: 630
Merit: 500
August 11, 2013, 06:27:25 PM

But what do I know, I'm just collecting badges.

I'm starting to think you may have a form of a god complex. Keep at it Troll hunter, maybe those badges will help fill a void.
member
Activity: 98
Merit: 10
August 11, 2013, 06:23:47 PM
Some nice shitstorm happens here.
We are where we are.
If TH made that they said, they done all perfect.

Avalon clones from china, which i seen link here before in thread is scam,
there are also mistical customers from Spain who got chips apart from Zefir B1, but maybe it's just urban legends.
gen2 will not arrive in september, then another 8-10 weeks lead time.

Question is in chips only

Correct me if i'm wrong

Thanks

We seem to be making progress with project management issues--

Terrahash-- please work to close out the open issues that your company is responsible for before 8/15.
Should you fail to complete those obligations by then, my project management skills wont help your case beyond that date.
1. PSUs (open ETA TBD)
2. Cases (open ETA TBD)
3. Head Sinks (open ETA TBD)
4. PCBs (open ETA TBD)
5. Board BOM (closed)
6. Avalon (closed)

If you cannot meet the 8/15 date, be sure to issue a Force Majeure letter to your customers immediately as well.
This will help your case in court when you fail to deliver.
sr. member
Activity: 378
Merit: 250
August 11, 2013, 06:21:22 PM
TerraHash, everyone wants you all to be successful with this project and others, but can you please respond to my question regarding Avalon?

Here was the comment/question:

Quote
What we really need you to do is team up with the other group buys and do something to get the point across to Avalon. They are late. They broke their end of the deal, they need to be made to own up to that in real compensation terms. Are you all working with the other group buys to get something done about that or are you just playing the waiting game? Because that isn't enough. You all should have been arranging some kind of at least warning-shot action at the beginning of August or whenever the deadline came around for 9-10 week delivery.
sr. member
Activity: 1316
Merit: 254
Sugars.zone | DatingFi - Earn for Posting
August 11, 2013, 06:16:19 PM
The reason we did not spend money on these is, in case Avalon chips never show up, we would be able to refund some of our customers money.


You should all think about this for a moment..

WHEN you buy from a company they have to deliver or refund.. ( unless its different in the US).

Otherwise this is just another group buy just with icing on the top..

+ to TH for posting pictures, - to TH for the above statement. Lets hope the chips come soon so you don't have to test the above statement.
legendary
Activity: 1582
Merit: 1001
August 11, 2013, 06:05:46 PM
as i said in early posts, im pissed about the delay as well.
I have faith in terrahash, yifu on the other hand...

anyways at a discount i can see roi even with the delay as long as there is no outright scamming...
im trusting, but im not stupid
if there is any more delays there will be no roi
member
Activity: 98
Merit: 10
August 11, 2013, 06:03:26 PM


There are more boxes, anybody is welcome to come audit this.

Amir-- post this on your website.
Your customers will appreciate this for sure.
member
Activity: 98
Merit: 10
August 11, 2013, 05:57:30 PM
well if you are so worried about losing your money, I will consider buying your investment off you for say %50 i should still make some roi at .25btc/ gigahash

that is if amir will help me with the switch

very tempting. why not at 100%?
You seem to have faith in tarrahash's actions so far. Why not complete it with a proper gesture?
sr. member
Activity: 672
Merit: 250
Buy, sell and store real cryptocurrencies
August 11, 2013, 05:57:06 PM
Let's face it, there's nothing Terrahash can say to make you believe any of this.  Short of him coming over to your house and shoving a case up your arse, (with or without chips), you'll be back here multiple times a day complaining he hasn't delivered a product that he can't possibly deliver until he gets THE GODDAMN CHIPS FROM AVALON!

LOL,

You are wasting your time. Kkooks is about as receptive to reason as a brain dead monkey.
Yeah, I know.  But it's raining outside and I've got nothing better to do. Cheesy
full member
Activity: 182
Merit: 100
August 11, 2013, 05:48:47 PM
Some nice shitstorm happens here.
We are where we are.
If TH made that they said, they done all perfect.

Avalon clones from china, which i seen link here before in thread is scam,
there are also mistical customers from Spain who got chips apart from Zefir B1, but maybe it's just urban legends.
gen2 will not arrive in september, then another 8-10 weeks lead time.

Question is in chips only

Correct me if i'm wrong

Thanks
member
Activity: 98
Merit: 10
August 11, 2013, 05:48:26 PM

LOL,

You are wasting your time. Kkooks is about as receptive to reason as a brain dead monkey.

Lovely! Moving up to phase 2. Anger
I see progress.
For the next session, please do not revert like you did this week.

Lets shoot for bargaining once we get past 8/15.


What were your orders?
Keep them walking into the chambers.
legendary
Activity: 1582
Merit: 1001
August 11, 2013, 05:43:46 PM
well if you are so worried about losing your money, I will consider buying your investment off you for say %50 i should still make some roi at .25btc/ gigahash

that is if amir will help me with the switch
legendary
Activity: 1582
Merit: 1001
August 11, 2013, 05:39:45 PM
Let's face it, there's nothing Terrahash can say to make you believe any of this.  Short of him coming over to your house and shoving a case up your arse, (with or without chips), you'll be back here multiple times a day complaining he hasn't delivered a product that he can't possibly deliver until he gets THE GODDAMN CHIPS FROM AVALON!

LOL,

You are wasting your time. Kkooks is about as receptive to reason as a brain dead monkey.

+1
member
Activity: 98
Merit: 10
August 11, 2013, 05:36:22 PM



I thought the PICs are still on order? Thing is though, how did they know the chips weren't coming two weeks ago in order to not yet order the parts? Because had things gone as we all expected them to, you shoud have had the chips end of July or beginning of August and would be shipping out units early this week, i.e., tomorrow, Tuesday, Wednesday, etc. Cause we were all going to have our orders by Aug. 15.

Exactly. You see why I am so infuriated?
Their actions show me that the intent was never there to get the shipment out on time.
sr. member
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Buy, sell and store real cryptocurrencies
August 11, 2013, 05:32:50 PM


We have only ordered components that were either absolutely necessary for assembly (BOM components) or ones that had a big lead time (Cases, heat sinks, cables). Boards and PSUs, once ordered, can be delivered within 24-48 hours. The reason we did not spend money on these is, in case Avalon chips never show up, we would be able to refund some of our customers money.

1. PSUs: Can be delivered within 48 hours, after we get the chips. We could have ordered them right now, and they could have sat here idly while we wait on the chips, or a huge waste of money in case the chips never arrive.
A PO without delivery dates? This isnt kindergarten. Give us a date! We paid you to build our orders cept you are not spending the money to get it done. Wait wasnt that the reason why you changed your story on the refund deal? You told us you spent the monies already? WTF

2. Cases: 3-4 weeks lead time. Will be here early next week. We could have rushed the delivery by paying extra, but for what?
That is fine... give us a date. This is an item that seems like is being delayed indefinitely. Give us a date stick to it and let us know when completed

3. PCBs: 1-2 day lead time. We could have ordered these as well, but again, for what? For the chips that may never arrive?
So you lied that you had them? Wait wasnt that the reason why you changed your story on the refund deal? You told us you spent the monies already? WTF

4. BOM components: They are ALL here. You can come count them. I'll post pics later.
You said the same thing for many of the aforementioned items. When will you post the pictures?

5. Chips: We have ordered 40,000 chips DIRECTLY from Avalon. The additional 30,000 chips that we mentioned, are totally separate from our own 40,000. We still haven't decided whether to pull the plug on those 30,000.
This is fine-- and frankly very relieving to hear. Please dont change your story again.




Let's face it, there's nothing Terrahash can say to make you believe any of this.  Short of him coming over to your house and shoving a case up your arse, (with or without chips), you'll be back here multiple times a day complaining he hasn't delivered a product that he can't possibly deliver until he gets THE GODDAMN CHIPS FROM AVALON!
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