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sr. member
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August 11, 2013, 03:54:40 PM
Terrahash may want to consider sticking with 20,000 Gen1 chips and defer the purchase of another 20,000 chips unless they can get their hands on the Gen1 chips within the next two weeks.

If the 55 nm chips are 4-5 times faster and use less power then the 110 nm chips, I maybe willing to wait until October or November for my order if it was upgraded to Gen2 chips. It sounds like there is a good chance Gen2 chips will work with the K16 with little to no modification.

Perhaps Avalon and Terrahash can offer Gen1 purchasers the opportunity to switch their order to Gen2 chips at no extra charge...

Of course, this all assumes that Avalon can actually ship Gen2 chips in bulk by mid October, which is highly unlikely given their current track record.

Why would you even consider Avalon over Bitfury for 55nm chips?!

Because Terrahash already has parts to assemble klondike miners. You can't put BitFury chips on a klondike board.

uh... where were u all week? Terrahash confessed to not have ANYTHING in place...


thats a huge misrepresentation of what they said
Its a bit of a misrepresentation of what they said.
member
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August 11, 2013, 03:53:27 PM
The five stages of grief are:

1-Denial
2-Anger
3-Bargaining <-- Im here
4-Depression
5-Acceptance

Where are you?
legendary
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August 11, 2013, 03:47:35 PM
lets look at this clearly

Terrahash has some things on order or set up to order as soon as chips make an appearance                         so they say
Terrahash didnt continue allowing preorders after they filled all the orders they think they can
produce after 2 weeks of chip delivery                                                                                                   check
Terrahash has let us see their office and has shown pictures of their boards hashing                                      check
Terrahash has donated a sizable chunk of money to BKK coins for developing the  boards                                check

Terrahash has not shown every invoice order form or receipt ..... iow is not allowing a public audit....                duh
terrahash has not received the chips and therefore is not in breach of any contract.....                                  check
terrahash hasnt told us which batch we are in                                                                                         just guess no ROI anymore
                                                                                                                                                      anyways
we are all losing money and are grumpy.....                                                                                             check
everything we write in here is speculation with very little proof                                                                   check
Bitcoin is an imature and exciting environment                                                                                          check

im gonna get called a bootlicker for writing this                                                                                        suck it
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August 11, 2013, 03:39:57 PM
Does anyone know why TH has not shown the new K16 v.0.3.0 board hashing?
Then only thing they have shown is the original K16 that had lots of hardware errors.


I think they JUST ordered them... what was it... last week?
look... he is months away from even getting it right with a K16...

8/15/13 delivery date --> 8/15/14 is more likely....
 Undecided



Don't listen to Kkooks,

Look at his past posts,

He definitely has issues with conspiracy and what not. It's sad there are so many deranged and saddened individuals like this on this forum and in bitcoin in general.


They have a K16 Hashing, it was physically seen by two people that visited and they showed a video.

Welcome to the real world Kkooks!

nice! that is great news?!
nevermind... i cannot find the videos...
You dont mean the ones where they were miserably failing with HW errors and not even hitting the 4.5GHash advertised? Right?

Less than 5 days away from the promised delivery deadlne buddy.

I need them meds you are on. They seem to be doing you wonders...

You are a special kind of stupid.

Ignored, enjoy.





I know I promised I would leave this thread for ever when I got my refund, but I just have to comment.

Bar, you seem like a rational intelligent person, but honestly man step back for a second and look at the reality of the situation.
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August 11, 2013, 03:22:18 PM
Okay fine... =/ I was annoyed that we were not holding terrahash accountable.

they have just placed orders for the Klondike boards this week (supposedly)
...
they do not have them on hand...

Summary--
1. No PSUs
2. No Cases
3. No Boards
4. No BOM components to populate the boards with
5. No Avalon chip orders other than the first 20K (they ordered only enough to produce 50% of the orders only)

etc

WE need to start holding them accountable if we want this ship turned around.
Coz it is starting to look like a disaster.

Accountable to what?! Cloudhashing and Bitsyncom?!?

They also have no chips and are shitting customer refunds because of Bitsyncom's douchebaggery! So give'em a break, they've had probably the hardest time out of any company on this forum.

At least BFL and Bitsyncom deserve the aggro!!

So... are you suggesting that it is okay to scam customers?
Dont answer that. It was rhetorical.

To your logic, i need to be mad at the case manufacturer, psu manufacturer, board manufacturers, etc etc too?
Come on, step back and look at the situation at its entirety.

Terrhash still would not have been able to deliver by 8/15 even if the Avalon chips got in back in June.
hero member
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August 11, 2013, 03:17:35 PM
Okay fine... =/ I was annoyed that we were not holding terrahash accountable.

they have just placed orders for the Klondike boards this week (supposedly)
...
they do not have them on hand...

Summary--
1. No PSUs
2. No Cases
3. No Boards
4. No BOM components to populate the boards with
5. No Avalon chip orders other than the first 20K (they ordered only enough to produce 50% of the orders only)

etc

WE need to start holding them accountable if we want this ship turned around.
Coz it is starting to look like a disaster.

Accountable to what?! Cloudhashing and Bitsyncom?!?

They also have no chips and are shitting customer refunds because of Bitsyncom's douchebaggery! So give'em a break, they've had probably the hardest time out of any company on this forum.

At least BFL and Bitsyncom deserve the aggro!!
member
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August 11, 2013, 03:13:40 PM
Okay fine... =/ I was annoyed that we were not holding terrahash accountable.

they have just placed orders for the Klondike boards this week (supposedly)
...
they do not have them on hand...

Summary--
1. No PSUs
2. No Cases
3. No Boards
4. No BOM components to populate the boards with
5. No Avalon chip orders other than the first 20K (they ordered only enough to produce 50% of the orders only)

etc

WE need to start holding them accountable if we want this ship turned around.
Coz it is starting to look like a disaster.
hero member
Activity: 532
Merit: 500
August 11, 2013, 03:01:10 PM
Terrahash may want to consider sticking with 20,000 Gen1 chips and defer the purchase of another 20,000 chips unless they can get their hands on the Gen1 chips within the next two weeks.

If the 55 nm chips are 4-5 times faster and use less power then the 110 nm chips, I maybe willing to wait until October or November for my order if it was upgraded to Gen2 chips. It sounds like there is a good chance Gen2 chips will work with the K16 with little to no modification.

Perhaps Avalon and Terrahash can offer Gen1 purchasers the opportunity to switch their order to Gen2 chips at no extra charge...

Of course, this all assumes that Avalon can actually ship Gen2 chips in bulk by mid October, which is highly unlikely given their current track record.

Why would you even consider Avalon over Bitfury for 55nm chips?!

Because Terrahash already has parts to assemble klondike miners. You can't put BitFury chips on a klondike board.

Well it's already been proven that Bitfury and Klondike can design, develop and produce a solution a hell of a lot faster than it will take Bitsyncom to deliver...
legendary
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August 11, 2013, 02:58:10 PM
Terrahash may want to consider sticking with 20,000 Gen1 chips and defer the purchase of another 20,000 chips unless they can get their hands on the Gen1 chips within the next two weeks.

If the 55 nm chips are 4-5 times faster and use less power then the 110 nm chips, I maybe willing to wait until October or November for my order if it was upgraded to Gen2 chips. It sounds like there is a good chance Gen2 chips will work with the K16 with little to no modification.

Perhaps Avalon and Terrahash can offer Gen1 purchasers the opportunity to switch their order to Gen2 chips at no extra charge...

Of course, this all assumes that Avalon can actually ship Gen2 chips in bulk by mid October, which is highly unlikely given their current track record.

Why would you even consider Avalon over Bitfury for 55nm chips?!

Because Terrahash already has parts to assemble klondike miners. You can't put BitFury chips on a klondike board.

uh... where were u all week? Terrahash confessed to not have ANYTHING in place...


thats a huge misrepresentation of what they said
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August 11, 2013, 02:43:39 PM
Terrahash may want to consider sticking with 20,000 Gen1 chips and defer the purchase of another 20,000 chips unless they can get their hands on the Gen1 chips within the next two weeks.

If the 55 nm chips are 4-5 times faster and use less power then the 110 nm chips, I maybe willing to wait until October or November for my order if it was upgraded to Gen2 chips. It sounds like there is a good chance Gen2 chips will work with the K16 with little to no modification.

Perhaps Avalon and Terrahash can offer Gen1 purchasers the opportunity to switch their order to Gen2 chips at no extra charge...

Of course, this all assumes that Avalon can actually ship Gen2 chips in bulk by mid October, which is highly unlikely given their current track record.

Why would you even consider Avalon over Bitfury for 55nm chips?!

Because Terrahash already has parts to assemble klondike miners. You can't put BitFury chips on a klondike board.

uh... where were u all week? Terrahash confessed to not have ANYTHING in place...
hero member
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August 11, 2013, 02:20:26 PM
Terrahash may want to consider sticking with 20,000 Gen1 chips and defer the purchase of another 20,000 chips unless they can get their hands on the Gen1 chips within the next two weeks.

If the 55 nm chips are 4-5 times faster and use less power then the 110 nm chips, I maybe willing to wait until October or November for my order if it was upgraded to Gen2 chips. It sounds like there is a good chance Gen2 chips will work with the K16 with little to no modification.

Perhaps Avalon and Terrahash can offer Gen1 purchasers the opportunity to switch their order to Gen2 chips at no extra charge...

Of course, this all assumes that Avalon can actually ship Gen2 chips in bulk by mid October, which is highly unlikely given their current track record.

Why would you even consider Avalon over Bitfury for 55nm chips?!

Because Terrahash already has parts to assemble klondike miners. You can't put BitFury chips on a klondike board.
legendary
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August 11, 2013, 02:01:13 PM
Terrahash may want to consider sticking with 20,000 Gen1 chips and defer the purchase of another 20,000 chips unless they can get their hands on the Gen1 chips within the next two weeks.

If the 55 nm chips are 4-5 times faster and use less power then the 110 nm chips, I maybe willing to wait until October or November for my order if it was upgraded to Gen2 chips. It sounds like there is a good chance Gen2 chips will work with the K16 with little to no modification.

Perhaps Avalon and Terrahash can offer Gen1 purchasers the opportunity to switch their order to Gen2 chips at no extra charge...

Of course, this all assumes that Avalon can actually ship Gen2 chips in bulk by mid October, which is highly unlikely given their current track record.

Why would you even consider Avalon over Bitfury for 55nm chips?!
+1
hero member
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August 11, 2013, 01:17:53 PM
Terrahash may want to consider sticking with 20,000 Gen1 chips and defer the purchase of another 20,000 chips unless they can get their hands on the Gen1 chips within the next two weeks.

If the 55 nm chips are 4-5 times faster and use less power then the 110 nm chips, I maybe willing to wait until October or November for my order if it was upgraded to Gen2 chips. It sounds like there is a good chance Gen2 chips will work with the K16 with little to no modification.

Perhaps Avalon and Terrahash can offer Gen1 purchasers the opportunity to switch their order to Gen2 chips at no extra charge...

Of course, this all assumes that Avalon can actually ship Gen2 chips in bulk by mid October, which is highly unlikely given their current track record.

Why would you even consider Avalon over Bitfury for 55nm chips?!
legendary
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August 11, 2013, 12:53:40 PM
Terrahash would you please shed some light on all these events this past week?

Remember we want the good, bad and the ugly on all the issues facing you as they directly affect us as well. We still would rather you succeed in your start up effort. Please remember that. We are not the enemy. Smiley
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August 11, 2013, 11:46:10 AM
Terrahash may want to consider sticking with 20,000 Gen1 chips and defer the purchase of another 20,000 chips unless they can get their hands on the Gen1 chips within the next two weeks.

If the 55 nm chips are 4-5 times faster and use less power then the 110 nm chips, I maybe willing to wait until October or November for my order if it was upgraded to Gen2 chips. It sounds like there is a good chance Gen2 chips will work with the K16 with little to no modification.

Perhaps Avalon and Terrahash can offer Gen1 purchasers the opportunity to switch their order to Gen2 chips at no extra charge...

Of course, this all assumes that Avalon can actually ship Gen2 chips in bulk by mid October, which is highly unlikely given their current track record.

hero member
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August 11, 2013, 11:43:49 AM
Terrahash may want to consider sticking with 20,000 Gen1 chips and defer the purchase of another 20,000 chips unless they can get their hands on the Gen1 chips within the next two weeks.

If the 55 nm chips are 4-5 times faster and use less power then the 110 nm chips, I maybe willing to wait until October or November for my order if it was upgraded to Gen2 chips. It sounds like there is a good chance Gen2 chips will work with the K16 with little to no modification.

Perhaps Avalon and Terrahash can offer Gen1 purchasers the opportunity to switch their order to Gen2 chips at no extra charge...

Of course, this all assumes that Avalon can actually ship Gen2 chips in bulk by mid October, which is highly unlikely given their current track record.
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August 11, 2013, 11:28:12 AM
Very mature...
link to videos please? I could be wrong you know (i want to be wrong... in fact we all do)

Where are these overdue promised items:
1. Pictures of the DX Mini
2. Picture of a completed Klondike 16 w/ heat sink
3. Hashing rate reaching promised rate
4. Invoice/POs of all components

...


Terrahash! Where the heck is the DX Mini case that were supposed to arrive friday?
Did you lie to us again?!

Do you even have a design completed?
legendary
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August 11, 2013, 10:12:25 AM
As far as selling my pre-order I think I am just going to file with my credit card company, because this is obviously a breech of contract on both Avalon, and although possibly unintentionally, TerraHash as well. We should all have our orders come Aug. 15th

I think we need to push Terrahash to go for a refund on the chips as Bicknellksi is trying to organize with all the group buys.
...

You wont be able to push TH into refund.  I got my paypal refund long ago when they didn't meet deadlines they would post, they never even worked within paypal to resolve it.

If you get it through route your talking it will be credit card getting cash back, TH will in no way help if past is indicator. 

I think my credit card takes care of all that.

TerraHash needs to push Avalon into a refund. What don't you people get? Contracts were broken - all obligations for payment on our part and TH and group buys is void. Avalon owes us our money back. We all should have out Klondikes by now (well, by the 15th). Its time, actually past time to get the Avalon refund in process. 


It should really concern you all that TH is not even trying to put pressure on Avalon.

I don't want my money back. I want my boards. Everyone is trying to put pressure on Bitsyncom (Avalon): Terrahash, Steamboat (Liquid Designs), Bitmine, and all others. What makes you think they aren't? The DIY companies did not pay for the chips with credit cards. Payments for the chips were made in BTC. The only recourse they would have is to bring some kind of lawsuit, which would take a year or more to come to fruition. Our orders are a little late. Once again, it's nowhere near what those of us with BFL orders have been put through. A couple of weeks....  Personally, I just want my boards.
Agreed for now. I will be amazed to see if any of the others KNC etc actually deliver on time as well,,,we all know none of them ever have. Goes with the territory I guess
sr. member
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August 11, 2013, 09:37:41 AM
Latest news regarding chips shipping and batch 3
http://www.avalon-asics.com/

There are 2 pages, be sure to hit the right arrow to get the specific updates
We have known this for going on a week now, where have you been?

Here is a poll regarding the action to be taken against Avalon:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/pollvote-what-should-avalon-do-with-our-past-due-orders-270897

so far, 80 people want a refund - that is about 50% of the respondents.
sr. member
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August 11, 2013, 09:35:15 AM
https://sites.google.com/site/boycotavalon/

Quote
BOYCOTT AVALON

Demand Refunds Now

Just the Facts

1. Many of the community have invested in these chips at a time when AVALON had elevated themselves into arguably the top slot for BTC mining equipment. So far they have delivered 1 batch of chips to their "western" customer base and they were some 4 weeks overdue.


2. Their "No Bullshit" terms of sale have not been followed; sample/developer chips provided 4 weeks after payment of order didnt happen. Shipping of chips 9-10 weeks after payment didnt happen. They are clearly in violation of their own terms of sale and therefore must offer a full refund to those purchasers requesting such.



3. Whatever you have been told, their statement "No refunds" does not waive our statutory rights as consumers. I am a large shareholder in a group buy who have already requested a refund and have not received any reply. This is simply not acceptable from a company who has taken $millions of our money. Our group has realised that this 6+ week in delay and counting has effectively made the chips worthless to us.



4. If the majority of shareholders in group buys decide that they will be wasting more money for fabrication costs and having no chance of seeing a ROI, then perhaps, its time to demand a full REFUND from BitSyncom,  after all there are other companies which can likely deliver sooner and represent a more favourable investment.



5. I would urge all batch leaders to poll your group buy members and find out what THEY want, if a large number of group buy leaders request a refund, there will have to start addressing the issue. BitSyncom need to understand that they need to open up channels of communication and address this serious issue which affects hundreds if not thousands of consumers.



6. If this situation continues for much longer, the chips will not be worth their initial cost + development cost.


7. If you have any information about BitSyncom, full personal details,addresses (for legal communication), telephone numbers and e-mail addresses, Links to their personal media pages, personal future appointments at events (dates and locations), any info which will help to make contact, please post it on this thread.



dont take this the wrong way vigil,
but could you please keep the avalon bashing/ bitsyncom/ yifu tar and feathering to the avalon sites?

not that i am a fan... in fact i am also pissed as hell,
but even if there was to be a refund we would all be fooked at this point.

i know its difficult, and im having a hard time not ranting as im asking you to restrain yourself, but it would be nice if we could keep this forum on track with news and terrahash bashing =P
No. This is posted here so that the individual members of the TerraHash purchases can have a discussion and make their decision about how to proceed. This directly pertains to TerraHash and our orders, this is not isolated to Avalon.
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