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legendary
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August 29, 2013, 01:22:08 PM
We will be assembling a test K64 tomorrow.

We really don't know what's happening at Avalon's end. We have not received any communication from Yifu whatsoever.

We are already working on Plan B. Can't reveal anything right now. But will update as soon as we can.


So what have you done all this time in your office if you still have not assembled another k-16 without so many HW errors, or proper speed?  Take a few week vacation?

Plan B predictions:
Least likely:
Partial refund (will be interesting to see salary and office out of this)

Most likely predictions:
They claim to change chips, this basically extends time they have and they will promise higher speeds with newer generation of chip. 
They claim to change chips, make this a big announcement and open up preorders again.

Worst Case:
They are saying anything they can to get more time.  With this they use it to figure out a way to funnel as much money out of their assets and close shop.  With it being incorporated any assets they are able to get into their personal funds such as salary and other things,  would be much harder to get even with lawsuit with Terahash legally considered its own entity.
sr. member
Activity: 479
Merit: 250
https://streamies.io/
August 29, 2013, 01:09:51 PM
Yifu wrote back to zefir
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3035535

Yifu is open to chip refund.  

Terrahash should get a refund.

Wait for bitsyncom to offer their chips at a discount and buy it back.

Terrahash can then Distribute the discount to their customer.  Smiley


so wait 6 more weeks so the chips are really not worth their price at all and have no way to ROI just to get a slight discount?
sr. member
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https://streamies.io/
August 29, 2013, 01:05:17 PM
Where is Terrahash? They are not responding to emails, tickets, voice call (mail box still not setup).
They are obviously monitoring the forum though.

Let it be known that Terrahash has my chips today. So the two weeks clock starts now.
I need to know what size and spec of fan to buy but I can't find the info as terrahash is not responding to anything.

Looks like someone called TH's bluff.
Now we will see...

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Terrahash, did you or did you not receive hchc's chips?

That's none of your business since those chips and order are not yours and they shouldn't be talking to you about someone else's order.
sr. member
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Merit: 250
August 29, 2013, 12:50:44 PM
Yifu wrote back to zefir
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3035535

Yifu is open to chip refund.  

Terrahash should get a refund.

Wait for bitsyncom to offer their chips at a discount and buy it back.

Terrahash can then Distribute the discount to their customer.  Smiley









legendary
Activity: 2198
Merit: 1000
August 29, 2013, 12:28:11 PM
knightlife999 Thank you for your useful information

Made Donation for your effort thank you again

Thanks so much Wally! Very much appreciated. I sat in traffic for 3 hours yesterday. Smiley

Dude traffic is no joke after 3PM. If you need someone to go carpool with you next time I am in the east bay lol.

BE CAREFUL WHEN DEALING WITH THIS GUY.... I sold him my pre-order #591 a month an a half ago, and now he's trying to keep the pre-order and dispute using paypal.

Real Grimy.
A little confused ,,,who bought your per order? and now is disputing it. Since you posted that Smiley
hero member
Activity: 672
Merit: 500
August 29, 2013, 12:16:16 PM
sigh, new blades 4 BTC....


Ummm when we bought it was 8.4 btc for 20 gh   when btc were worth 100
So 4 btc for 10 gh at 120 is more expensive

Well a K16 from Terrahash is $250 = give or take 2 BTC, and this equates to 4.5gh/s (4.5 x 2 = 9)
Blade from AsicMiner is 4 BTC, which ships next week, and is 10.7gh/s

Does not really take a genius to see who has a better advantage..

legendary
Activity: 1582
Merit: 1001
August 29, 2013, 11:52:42 AM
sigh, new blades 4 BTC....


Ummm when we bought it was 8.4 btc for 20 gh   when btc were worth 100
So 4 btc for 10 gh at 120 is more expensive
sr. member
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Buy, sell and store real cryptocurrencies
August 29, 2013, 11:07:25 AM
Here we go again.  Terrahash != Sony.  Common sense fails you too.

Anyone who pays for anything with a credit card can do a charge back if they're not happy with what they got.  That's how it works.  Doesn't matter if you're Sony or a custom hardware company or what.  If you're not happy with it, don't take credit cards.   You don't see BFL taking them, do you?
Now this is very true.  Can't argue with that at all.
sr. member
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Buy, sell and store real cryptocurrencies
August 29, 2013, 11:05:54 AM
No, you don't fucking get it is the problem.
It's not meant to be a direct comparison, it's called an analogy.
It does not matter what the size of the company is.  Taking a customer's money under the guise of a purchase (not an investment, or a purchase where the customer agreed to lose their money if something went wrong, which we did not), failing to deliver a product, and doing anything at all other than providing a 100% refund is the goddamn same no matter who the company is.

An analogy it certainly is, but a shitty one.  And that's my point.  Yes you should be treated the same regardless of the company, but the reality is something different.  My only real argument is that a lot of people on here seem to have unrealistic expectations.  I wouldn't expect Terrahash to be just like Sony from the outset - they don't have the same track record.  If you bought from Terrahash knowing that they were a start up company and you thought to yourself what could possibly go wrong, they'll be as safe a bet as buying from Sony, then you're a fucking idiot.  Telling yourself over and over and over that this is no way to treat customers doesn't get you anywhere, even if you are right.

Yes you have every right to be pissed.  Yes you deserve a refund if you so wish.  I won't deny that, but I wouldn't be expecting all your dreams and desires to come true as far as Terrahash delivering as promised.  And I didn't have that expectation from day one, which is why I never pre-ordered.

You bought an unknown product from an unknown source, and that is nothing more than a gamble in anyone's language.  Buying from Sony is a much safer bet, and that's where the analogy breaks down.
hero member
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August 29, 2013, 09:31:28 AM
sigh, new blades 4 BTC....
full member
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August 29, 2013, 08:58:24 AM
knightlife999 Thank you for your useful information

Made Donation for your effort thank you again

Thanks so much Wally! Very much appreciated. I sat in traffic for 3 hours yesterday. Smiley

Dude traffic is no joke after 3PM. If you need someone to go carpool with you next time I am in the east bay lol.

EDIT: "btcinthebay" - BE CAREFUL WHEN DEALING WITH THIS GUY.... I sold him my pre-order #591 a month an a half ago, and now he's trying to keep the pre-order and dispute using paypal.

Real Grimy.
hero member
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Merit: 500
August 29, 2013, 08:36:12 AM
We will be assembling a test K64 tomorrow.

We really don't know what's happening at Avalon's end. We have not received any communication from Yifu whatsoever.

We are already working on Plan B. Can't reveal anything right now. But will update as soon as we can.


oh well looks like the two weeks promise is out the window then. I don't know what are you guys doing the past few weeks?
legendary
Activity: 1498
Merit: 1000
August 29, 2013, 07:18:48 AM
We will be assembling a test K64 tomorrow.

We really don't know what's happening at Avalon's end. We have not received any communication from Yifu whatsoever.

We are already working on Plan B. Can't reveal anything right now. But will update as soon as we can.


Will the k64 be ready tomorrow? Will you provide a video or some other kind of proof?

You don't know what's happening at Avalon? Neither does anybody else, have you called them on behalf of your customers, because... you have a responsibility to find out?

Plan B? What nonsense is this, and you can't tell us what it is because why?

Perhaps you can't tell us why because you are the worst business person on the fucking planet and had no contingency plan for a disaster like this!

Please see the below post in regards to what type of communications people are asking for, https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3033196

How about you take your head out of your ass and do something for the people that trusted you with their funds!
Hey man, people here are trying to work for a solution (TH and us). I understand your criticism but it is counterproductive atm.

Stay here for keeping them on track but do not lose temper please because we are all tense and this can only worsen things. I remember you are out of this - so leave us handle our own business!

Thank you.
legendary
Activity: 1498
Merit: 1000
August 29, 2013, 07:16:43 AM
We will be assembling a test K64 tomorrow.

We really don't know what's happening at Avalon's end. We have not received any communication from Yifu whatsoever.

We are already working on Plan B. Can't reveal anything right now. But will update as soon as we can.


Solid,

Thanks for the update!
+1000
hero member
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Crypto Investor ;) @ Farmed Account Hunter
August 29, 2013, 06:40:26 AM
I am hopping TH will be working more closely with BitFury. Dave was been outstanding in status updating, communication and now delivery.
sr. member
Activity: 392
Merit: 250
♫ A wave came crashing like a fist to the jaw ♫
August 29, 2013, 05:33:09 AM
We will be assembling a test K64 tomorrow.

We really don't know what's happening at Avalon's end. We have not received any communication from Yifu whatsoever.

We are already working on Plan B. Can't reveal anything right now. But will update as soon as we can.


Will the k64 be ready tomorrow? Will you provide a video or some other kind of proof?

You don't know what's happening at Avalon? Neither does anybody else, have you called them on behalf of your customers, because... you have a responsibility to find out?

Plan B? What nonsense is this, and you can't tell us what it is because why?

Perhaps you can't tell us why because you are the worst business person on the fucking planet and had no contingency plan for a disaster like this!

Please see the below post in regards to what type of communications people are asking for, https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3033196

How about you take your head out of your ass and do something for the people that trusted you with their funds!
sr. member
Activity: 392
Merit: 250
♫ A wave came crashing like a fist to the jaw ♫
August 29, 2013, 05:01:50 AM
Where is Terrahash? They are not responding to emails, tickets, voice call (mail box still not setup).
They are obviously monitoring the forum though.

Let it be known that Terrahash has my chips today. So the two weeks clock starts now.
I need to know what size and spec of fan to buy but I can't find the info as terrahash is not responding to anything.

Looks like someone called TH's bluff.
Now we will see...

Timer removed. End time: 2013-09-13+24:00:00EDT

Terrahash, did you or did you not receive hchc's chips?
legendary
Activity: 1498
Merit: 1000
August 29, 2013, 02:26:23 AM
Terrahash,

Can we move to planB working on system based on Bitfury's chip?
I am sure we can find a win-win formula between you and us (customers).

Seriously, it's time to move on from this Avalon clusterfuck...

Cheers.
Even better:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3033042

"A model: we sell pure chips(around 0.11BTC/GH , 3 TH as MOQ). we can send all of them to buyers immediately once we get it, and all of the open-source-references&information will be issued online in advance for sure."
hero member
Activity: 630
Merit: 500
August 29, 2013, 01:10:50 AM
Can we start placing bets as to when the lack of communications from TH on this topic will start to bug, even the most die hard supporters? I know one of them wouldn't admit it publicly, but many will.

I've seen some great things in other threads that restored my faith in this pre-order world, but I doubt this will be one of those places. Prove me wrong TH. Speak.

newbie
Activity: 34
Merit: 0
August 29, 2013, 12:38:54 AM
Some bitfury EU orders are already in hand, btw  Grin
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