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Indeed!

Terrahash,

Can we move to planB working on system based on Bitfury's chip?
I am sure we can find a win-win formula between you and us (customers).

Seriously, it's time to move on from this Avalon clusterfuck...

Cheers.

Anyone who pays for anything with a credit card can do a charge back if they're not happy with what they got.  That's how it works.  Doesn't matter if you're Sony or a custom hardware company or what.  If you're not happy with it, don't take credit cards.   You don't see BFL taking them, do you?

ya just checked that out,,,hmmm refunds seem to be flowing at the moment?  lets hope TH gets theirs and we all get ours...But ours is in no way contingent upon that

No, you don't fucking get it is the problem.
It's not meant to be a direct comparison, it's called an analogy.
It does not matter what the size of the company is.  Taking a customer's money under the guise of a purchase (not an investment, or a purchase where the customer agreed to lose their money if something went wrong, which we did not), failing to deliver a product, and doing anything at all other than providing a 100% refund is the goddamn same no matter who the company is.

Here we go again.  Terrahash != Sony.  Common sense fails you too.

you guys know there are prob a few hundred of us checking this thread all the time for INFORMATION?  please take your argument somewhere else.

i am convinced you work for terrahash, no schmuck is this dense after getting f***ed by the same.

if i preorder a playstation 4 and one of sony's chip supplier runs away resulting in no delivery, should i forgive sony and not demand a full refund?  avalon is scum, but that's between terrahash and them, customer did not order directly from avalon, terrahash did.

what exactly has terrahash shown so far as investment? an empty room, 1 half working board, a few plastic boxes on the floor, did i miss anything else?

common sense failed you.

Whoever it was just started sending out batch three refunds. So obviously the account was hacked, it couldn't possibly be Yifu  

Not according to some around here... the customers knew the risks and chose to take them, remember?
/sarcasm

Hey glad you like my typing skills.... I still say there is no such thing as a partial refund (and I'm not sure thats what they meant when they wrote that post),,,it was more like "some refunds" meaning maybe not all, but those who ask,,If someone wants a refund, then thats that, they get it. I don't really care where they need to find the money, its their obligation.

Yep, you got to me, many badges were earned. What's it like to be a pathological liar that can't handle people that don't see things through your skewed reality?

Boy, your psychological profile is pretty amusing, you forgot your story was that you are so big with the banks, they will refund your bank wire. You didn't lose a thing. Oh yea, wasn't I ignored? WTF is wrong with you? Seriously.

I expect this relies on them getting a refund from Yifu though.  If they've spent money on cases that's likely non-refundable, as will the boards.  Components might be returnable but likely will have a restocking fee, and probably don't ammount to much in the cost.  No money will have been spent on manufacturing yet, so that's a plus.  I wouldn't be expecting much back from TH unfortunately.

I'm not surprised at any of this from the avalon/yifu side of things. I felt weeks ago they would not be coming. It was obvious then something was drastically going wrong. Yifu is sending mixed signals somewhat. He says on 1 hand they are still shipping 10k a week? or something like that, then in the same breath says it would  be easier to issue refunds.
So does anyone know which it is yet?...no we dont, or at least im not sure. In any event, assuming TH will never see their chips, so whats next now for TH and its customers, that is the real question here. One would like to think TH is capable of issuing full refunds to anyone if ask to do so, and rightfully so and they should. They have not said that they wouldn't or couldn't, if the worst should ever happen, which it now seems to be. We do know that TH has said it is in contact with other board/chip manufactures, even though we haven't heard any further progress on that from from TH yet? So Its clear many will be hammering them for a refund, and Terrahash should refund in full immediately to who ever ask. Now on the other hand some may hang tight and try not to bankrupt TH or get into lenghty law suits etc....But I am hoping TH has deep enough pockets to cover refunds and any loses it may incurr, certainly most of us open a business with a lot of up front cost, but we are also, prepared to loose it. So I'm not sweating it yet, with TH not refunding under these circumstances. So I will wait to see if perhaps they have a back up game plan. And to their credit I will say someone there knows how to engineer a board. We have seen it. So Terrahash may still have some fight left, and produce or offer up something sweet soon,,,if not the klondikes. Plus, They themselves like us, should be getting a refund, if in fact yifu refunds. Thus giving TH a lot of equity just in that amount,,,so lets see if TH will offer refunds or offer up, for some to hang tight and possibly follow them on to a new board,,,at one hell of a good deal!!! and who knows it sounds like there still may be some chips still floating around out there and possibly still enroute ....TH has a lot of connections,,,maybe they will get lucky and score enough to finish out the pre orders?...who knows

hey Thanks for that I don't know if I should consider myself lucky or not. At one hand it feels like I'm the last one thru this "yifu-gate" and that hopefully difficulty would not rise as much with this mass refund, on the other there is no going back for me now and I might not make ROI with all other big guys shipping....To top it off, Terrahash might not have initiative or ability to manufacture my order anymore and I will stuck with shiny little chips with no refund.

Please post proof that they have your chips so that we can have this documented appropriately.

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Looks like someone called TH's bluff.
Now we will see...

Oh there's PLENTY to see here.  For instance:
How the aftermath of this is going to play out
Depending on what direction this goes, just how much more of a clusterfuck it can possibly turn into.
Keeping track of things until people have their money back.
Satisfying morbid curiosity - just like watching a train wreck... you don't wanna look but you can't turn away