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I think I was the first to suggest his account was hacked, but I think he's just losing his mind under the pressure.

Don't let the door hit you.....

Are we positive it was Yifu?
The communication seemed out of character for Yifu.
Could some one else be using the account?
It just seemed a little off to me.
But who knows.
 

Silvas, I think we are mostly on the same page about all this, I for one take personal responsibility quite seriously and Amir's and Justin's complete and utter lack of any respect for anything just takes the cake.

More info from zefirs group buy.

Oh don't get me wrong.  I was just figuring you didn't realize that they actually gave this answer themselves.
As far as you saying it all along, I've been saying for awhile that this was going to go bad, and defending people wanting refunds against certain people here jacking off TH and saying they're committing fraud or being immoral by going after refunds.

Honestly, I don't see any way (unless TH has only their own money sunk into this and not pre-order money, which they've already admitted they used preorder money) for TH to give full refunds to everyone.
What I see happening is them offering partial refunds and saying they're so sorry but it's not their fault and it's beyond their control, and I see the usual suspects defending them on that, and continuing to refuse to acknowledge that using customers' preorder money to fund your business before you can deliver the product is both a bad idea and in a lot of jurisdictions illegal.
I've been called a 'pretend entrepreneur' for pointing that out; I've been called an 'armchair engineer' for pointing out that when it comes to whether a product will work or not, you don't assume, you test.

Honestly I blame it on the way society is moving these days.  More and more, I look at the world around me and I see a complete lack of willingness to take personal responsibility for one's actions.  Along with that, I see people defending others who could have avoided issues if they had just done shit right, but wanted to take shortcuts or got greedy and it all went bad.
People forcing the consequences or results of their choices onto other people, because 'what am I supposed to do?  I'm in this situation, I have no choice! It's not my fault!' yeah, well... who put you in that situation?  Oh, that's right, you did.
As long as we continue the trend of enabling others' bad behavior by defending it, whether it be with bitcoin, with preorders, or anything else in life... we will continue to see people behaving badly and that bad behavior escalating.

As far as this goes, however... nothing is certain at this point.  Yifu is making the returns form, but I haven't seen anything specifically stating that he's cancelling and refunding orders.
Maybe he's just offering refunds to those who want them.  Maybe TH will keep their orders and hope to get the chips.
Maybe those chips will arrive, maybe they won't.  If they do, maybe they'll arrive quickly, or maybe they'll take a year or longer.  At this point, I don't know, and I'm not entirely sure it even matters.

This thread sure is good for one thing if nothing else.  The display of righteous indignation really brightens my day.

I keep waiting for Marvin the Martian to turn up and ask "Where's the kaboom?  There was supposed to be an earth-shattering kaboom."

Huh? Silvas was simply trying to help, as TH did post and implied full refunds wouldn't be made, but given the circumstances, they have no choice but to offer full refunds. It's going to end badly for them as well if they can't come up with refunds if chips don't arrive. 

Frankly, the degree to which TH has neglected communications and provided lip service to certain things that never transpired, it doesn't much matter what he comes out and states, as I would tend to believe his first post on the matter will be where the truth is.

Silvas, I know your really pissed right now (read your fu post in yifu's thread), I get that I really do, but these questions must be answered by Amir or Justin from terrahash, based upon the fact that yifu is now pushing everybody to a refund and has blamed the community for his fucked up business practices.

That answer that they gave was what 2 months ago? New conditions have arisen and they must be held accountable for their actions or lack thereof and commitments.

I am sorry for your loss and everybody else's but wtf do you think I have been trying to say all along?

Everybody was/is putting me on ignore or calling me a kid or an asshole or a whining loser or whatever because I was asking questions that I wasn't getting answers to, nor was anybody else for that matter.

Do you not see that terrahash is pulling the same shit as yifu? They don't even have a fully working k16 yet!

You guys should be up in fucking arms right now... A partial refund? Are you kidding me?

I find it funny how Yifu is playing the victim in that thread. Quite amusing.

First, I'm not exactly a TH defender here.  In fact, I'd say I'm nearly as far from defending them as I could possibly be, so they damn sure ain't hiding behind me.

Second, THEY DID ANSWER IT THEMSELVES.  I was just quoting what they said.  While I certainly am not going to defend them, why should they repeat themselves when they've already answered the question publicly for all to see?

I wouldn't celebrate that, personally... if BitSyncom refunds the chip orders and doesn't send out chips, then TH has no chips with which to fulfill orders.
They've already spent money on office rent, components, possibly paying themselves, etc.
They've already more or less stated that if the chips don't show they can't refund everyone's money in full, only a portion of it.
That means that everyone who hasn't already managed to get a refund, willingly from TH or by force through paypal dispute or CC dispute, would lose money on this deal if that happens- with nothing to show for it.

Why can't terrahash answer this for themselves?

Why do they need you or anybody else to hide behind?

Why won't they answer simple straight forward questions?

Why do the refuse to speak up for themselves?

Why won't the speak up on behalf of their customers?

Why do they hide from their own customers?

They've already responded to that question.
"Again, in case the chips never arrive, we might be able to return a portion of everybody's money."

note the 'might' and 'a portion' parts.
I think people are going to just have to hope that the chips do eventually show up, no matter how seemingly futile that hope may be.
This isn't the only issue of course, but it is most certainly the most prevalent and immediate for most TH customers at this time.

Hurray!

So terrahash, now that everybody is pretty certain that nobody will ever get their Avalon chips, what are you going to do to remedy this situation with your "customers"?

Will you be refunding everybody? Or are you planning on pulling a yifu?

Why have you not been returning your customers calls or emails or other lines of communication?

Does anybody else see a similar pattern here?

Terrahash should at least be trying to pickup the chips from Zefir's batches since there are a lot of refund requests for him..Would be nice to get these sooner than the may 10th order.

Yikes!~ I didn't read the whole thread, but what does that prove anyway? We dont really know if those chips are really from the picture with all the boxes of chips do we?

looks like everyone got fooked on this one,
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3028898

People are speculating that the avalon chips got sold to the highest bidder.

+1

It really is sad, you can see it how he posts now.  Before he was all excited now it's pretty depressing.  Fuck Avalon.