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legendary
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Apologies if this has already been asked upthead. I didn't have time to read the entire thread.

Does Anoncoin not view high-latency for I2P as critically urgent as I do?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2950363
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2955966
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2950849

I2P doesn't plan on implementing until version 3.0? When is that ETA?

only bitcoin and anoncoin so far work with i2p

Bitcoin doesn't require all winning blocks to be sent over I2P, thus in a high-latency setup, those miners who want their awarded coins to be anonymous, would be at a timing disadvantage.

I assume anoncoin requires all winning blocks to be sent over I2P?
nope, you can send it over i2p, TOR (to clearnet or HS nodes) and clearnet.
the main idea about i2p in anoncoin is to eliminate attacks to find your location and making listening on others connections impossible. (from a technical view)

Don't we want miners to be anonymous when they are awarded coins for PoW of the winning block?

So then if they use the high-latency setting to be confidently anonymous, they are at a speed disadvantage to those miners who don't want to be anonymous (e.g. the corporations, etc).

Also does anyone understand and agree that without high-latency, the NSA knows who you are? (due to timing attacks are possible on low-latency mix-nets)
nope, i2p is end to end encrypted, nobody (beside the involved ones) knows what passes from where to where, ie someone else cant see who published it or how high their latency is.

Timing attacks work regardless of end-to-end encryption.

My understanding is that all low-latency mix-nets are subject to timing attacks. Perhaps you should read up on the research before making a claim? Or am I missing something?

Note Tor and I2P are both Chaum mix-nets (so what applies to low-latency attacks of Tor applies also to I2P):

https://blog.torproject.org/blog/one-cell-enough
http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~sjm217/papers/oakland05torta.pdf
ok, good to see someone with knowledge around here Smiley
i2p user (A) finds blocks, broadcasts to all users in i2p (UI), now some of the UI are connected to clearnet, some user (B) broadcast it over clearnet to the other nodes, so with a timing attack you could find user B but not user A
hero member
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Merit: 521
Apologies if this has already been asked upthead. I didn't have time to read the entire thread.

Does Anoncoin not view high-latency for I2P as critically urgent as I do?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2950363
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2955966
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2950849

I2P doesn't plan on implementing until version 3.0? When is that ETA?

only bitcoin and anoncoin so far work with i2p

Bitcoin doesn't require all winning blocks to be sent over I2P, thus in a high-latency setup, those miners who want their awarded coins to be anonymous, would be at a timing disadvantage.

I assume anoncoin requires all winning blocks to be sent over I2P?
nope, you can send it over i2p, TOR (to clearnet or HS nodes) and clearnet.
the main idea about i2p in anoncoin is to eliminate attacks to find your location and making listening on others connections impossible. (from a technical view)

Don't we want miners to be anonymous when they are awarded coins for PoW of the winning block?

So then if they use the high-latency setting to be confidently anonymous, they are at a speed disadvantage to those miners who don't want to be anonymous (e.g. the corporations, etc).

Also does anyone understand and agree that without high-latency, the NSA knows who you are? (due to timing attacks are possible on low-latency mix-nets)
nope, i2p is end to end encrypted, nobody (beside the involved ones) knows what passes from where to where, ie someone else cant see who published it or how high their latency is.

Timing attacks work regardless of end-to-end encryption.

My understanding is that all low-latency mix-nets are subject to timing attacks. Perhaps you should read up on the research before making a claim? Or am I missing something?

Note Tor and I2P are both Chaum mix-nets (so what applies to low-latency attacks of Tor applies also to I2P):

https://blog.torproject.org/blog/one-cell-enough
http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~sjm217/papers/oakland05torta.pdf
legendary
Activity: 1792
Merit: 1008
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Apologies if this has already been asked upthead. I didn't have time to read the entire thread.

Does Anoncoin not view high-latency for I2P as critically urgent as I do?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2950363
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2955966
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2950849

I2P doesn't plan on implementing until version 3.0? When is that ETA?

only bitcoin and anoncoin so far work with i2p

Bitcoin doesn't require all winning blocks to be sent over I2P, thus in a high-latency setup, those miners who want their awarded coins to be anonymous, would be at a timing disadvantage.

I assume anoncoin requires all winning blocks to be sent over I2P?
nope, you can send it over i2p, TOR (to clearnet or HS nodes) and clearnet.
the main idea about i2p in anoncoin is to eliminate attacks to find your location and making listening on others connections impossible. (from a technical view)

Don't we want miners to be anonymous when they are awarded coins for PoW of the winning block?

So then if they use the high-latency setting to be confidently anonymous, they are at a speed disadvantage to those miners who don't want to be anonymous (e.g. the corporations, etc).

Also does anyone understand and agree that without high-latency, the NSA knows who you are? (due to timing attacks are possible on low-latency mix-nets)
nope, i2p is end to end encrypted, nobody (beside the involved ones) knows what passes from where to where, ie someone else cant see who published it or how high their latency is.
hero member
Activity: 518
Merit: 521
and Bitcoin already claimed "In Encryption we Trust", if you notice it is on the Casciususus (whatever) coins.
What About a version of Winston Churchill's observation about Russia:::
Russia is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma. [About Russia] - See more at: http://quotationsbook.com/quote/27864/#sthash.SI9AinBz.dpuf

Something like just "Cloaked, Obfuscated & Secure" Huh

Cloaked Head-to-Toe?
hero member
Activity: 518
Merit: 521
Apologies if this has already been asked upthead. I didn't have time to read the entire thread.

Does Anoncoin not view high-latency for I2P as critically urgent as I do?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2950363
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2955966
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2950849

I2P doesn't plan on implementing until version 3.0? When is that ETA?

only bitcoin and anoncoin so far work with i2p

Bitcoin doesn't require all winning blocks to be sent over I2P, thus in a high-latency setup, those miners who want their awarded coins to be anonymous, would be at a timing disadvantage.

I assume anoncoin requires all winning blocks to be sent over I2P?
nope, you can send it over i2p, TOR (to clearnet or HS nodes) and clearnet.
the main idea about i2p in anoncoin is to eliminate attacks to find your location and making listening on others connections impossible. (from a technical view)

Don't we want miners to be anonymous when they are awarded coins for PoW of the winning block?

So then if they use the high-latency setting to be confidently anonymous, they are at a speed disadvantage to those miners who don't want to be anonymous (e.g. the corporations, etc).

Also does anyone understand and agree that without high-latency, the NSA knows who you are? (due to timing attacks are possible on low-latency mix-nets)
sr. member
Activity: 280
Merit: 250
"Encrypt We Trust" is silly as its horrible gramar Tongue "In Encryption We Trust"

More precisely, (Chaum's) "Mix-net We Trust" or "Obscurity We Trust" or "Cloaked In Trust".

I bet you could do a nice graphic of a cape (Batman?) or veil for the "Cloaked".

P.S. For the nerds (like me), "Singularly Obfuscated".

P.S. For the nerds (like me), "Singularly Obfuscated".  +1 Smiley 
I like naturally Cryptic!!!
and Bitcoin already claimed "In Encryption we Trust", if you notice it is on the Casciususus (whatever) coins.
What About a version of Winston Churchill's observation about Russia:::
Russia is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma. [About Russia] - See more at: http://quotationsbook.com/quote/27864/#sthash.SI9AinBz.dpuf

Something like just "Cloaked, Obfuscated & Secure" Huh
legendary
Activity: 1792
Merit: 1008
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"Encrypt We Trust" is silly as its horrible gramar Tongue "In Encryption We Trust"

More precisely, (Chaum's) "Mix-net We Trust" or "Obscurity We Trust" or "Cloaked In Trust".

I bet you could do a nice graphic of a cape (Batman?) or veil for the "Cloaked".

P.S. For the nerds (like me), "Singularly Obfuscated".
please no "Obscurity We Trust" (or similiar things including obscurity). Obscurity is often used if someone dosnt know how to secure something, so hes going to obscure it. this almost always fails after some time Wink
legendary
Activity: 1792
Merit: 1008
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Apologies if this has already been asked upthead. I didn't have time to read the entire thread.

Does Anoncoin not view high-latency for I2P as critically urgent as I do?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2950363
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2955966
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2950849

I2P doesn't plan on implementing until version 3.0? When is that ETA?

only bitcoin and anoncoin so far work with i2p

Bitcoin doesn't require all winning blocks to be sent over I2P, thus in a high-latency setup, those miners who want their awarded coins to be anonymous, would be at a timing disadvantage.

I assume anoncoin requires all winning blocks to be sent over I2P?
nope, you can send it over i2p, TOR (to clearnet or HS nodes) and clearnet.
the main idea about i2p in anoncoin is to eliminate attacks to find your location and making listening on others connections impossible. (from a technical view)
hero member
Activity: 518
Merit: 521
"Encrypt We Trust" is silly as its horrible gramar Tongue "In Encryption We Trust"

More precisely, (Chaum's) "Mix-net We Trust" or "Obscurity We Trust" or "Cloaked In Trust".

I bet you could do a nice graphic of a cape (Batman?) or veil for the "Cloaked".

P.S. For the nerds (like me), "Singularly Obfuscated".
hero member
Activity: 518
Merit: 521
Apologies if this has already been asked upthead. I didn't have time to read the entire thread.

Does Anoncoin not view high-latency for I2P as critically urgent as I do?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2950363
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2955966
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2950849

I2P doesn't plan on implementing until version 3.0? When is that ETA?

only bitcoin and anoncoin so far work with i2p

Bitcoin doesn't require all winning blocks to be sent over I2P, thus in a high-latency setup, those miners who want their awarded coins to be anonymous, would be at a timing disadvantage.

I assume anoncoin requires all winning blocks to be sent over I2P?
legendary
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Bass Player
Toss me a coin or two, please?

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legendary
Activity: 1792
Merit: 1008
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Great idea.

- One thing that should be clearer is whether you need i2p running in order to run the client with anonymity or whether it actually has it's own support for i2p built in via some kind of library.

- next up, merged mining?

p.s.
on the https://anoncoin.net//Downloads.html page the link to downloads actually goes to https://anoncoin.net//Company.html which is a dead link
yes you need to install i2p if you want i2p support
MM is a bad idea for this coin

if you dont want to install i2p, there are some (less than in i2p) clearnet nodes out there, therefore you can also use TOR.

Cheers for the info. If a client with i2p lib build comes out I'll invest in it but otherwise surely any coin can run on i2p...
only bitcoin and anoncoin so far work with i2p Wink
i2p isnt a lib and probably never will be.
hero member
Activity: 900
Merit: 1000
Crypto Geek
Great idea.

- One thing that should be clearer is whether you need i2p running in order to run the client with anonymity or whether it actually has it's own support for i2p built in via some kind of library.

- next up, merged mining?

p.s.
on the https://anoncoin.net//Downloads.html page the link to downloads actually goes to https://anoncoin.net//Company.html which is a dead link
yes you need to install i2p if you want i2p support
MM is a bad idea for this coin

if you dont want to install i2p, there are some (less than in i2p) clearnet nodes out there, therefore you can also use TOR.

Cheers for the info. If a client with i2p lib build comes out I'll invest in it but otherwise surely any coin can run on i2p...
legendary
Activity: 1792
Merit: 1008
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Great idea.

- One thing that should be clearer is whether you need i2p running in order to run the client with anonymity or whether it actually has it's own support for i2p built in via some kind of library.

- next up, merged mining?

p.s.
on the https://anoncoin.net//Downloads.html page the link to downloads actually goes to https://anoncoin.net//Company.html which is a dead link
yes you need to install i2p if you want i2p support
MM is a bad idea for this coin

if you dont want to install i2p, there are some (less than in i2p) clearnet nodes out there, therefore you can also use TOR.
hero member
Activity: 900
Merit: 1000
Crypto Geek
Great idea.

- One thing that should be clearer is whether you need i2p running in order to run the client with anonymity or whether it actually has it's own support for i2p built in via some kind of library.

- next up, merged mining?

p.s.
on the https://anoncoin.net//Downloads.html page the link to downloads actually goes to https://anoncoin.net//Company.html which is a dead link
legendary
Activity: 1118
Merit: 1002
Trying to use this coin,
Specs:
OS X 10.8.4
Processor: 3.4 Intel Core 7
Memory: 8GB 1600 MHz

Cant get the .app to open

Code:
Dyld Error Message:
  Library not loaded: @executable_path/../Frameworks/QtGui.framework/Versions/4.0/QtGui
  Referenced from: /Users/USER/Downloads/Anoncoin-Qt.app/Contents/MacOS/Anoncoin-Qt
  Reason: image not found

Thank you for the information. It seems like Apple changed a few things again. We are looking into this and will provide a new build to support Mac OS X 10.8.x when it's completed.

Sounds good, thank you
legendary
Activity: 1498
Merit: 1000
Trying to use this coin,
Specs:
OS X 10.8.4
Processor: 3.4 Intel Core 7
Memory: 8GB 1600 MHz

Cant get the .app to open

Code:
Dyld Error Message:
  Library not loaded: @executable_path/../Frameworks/QtGui.framework/Versions/4.0/QtGui
  Referenced from: /Users/USER/Downloads/Anoncoin-Qt.app/Contents/MacOS/Anoncoin-Qt
  Reason: image not found

Thank you for the information. It seems like Apple changed a few things again. We are looking into this and will provide a new build to support Mac OS X 10.8.x when it's completed.
Great! I have bought coins and have no wallet to send them in my iMac..
sr. member
Activity: 290
Merit: 250
Trying to use this coin,
Specs:
OS X 10.8.4
Processor: 3.4 Intel Core 7
Memory: 8GB 1600 MHz

Cant get the .app to open

Code:
Dyld Error Message:
  Library not loaded: @executable_path/../Frameworks/QtGui.framework/Versions/4.0/QtGui
  Referenced from: /Users/USER/Downloads/Anoncoin-Qt.app/Contents/MacOS/Anoncoin-Qt
  Reason: image not found

Thank you for the information. It seems like Apple changed a few things again. We are looking into this and will provide a new build to support Mac OS X 10.8.x when it's completed.
legendary
Activity: 1118
Merit: 1002
Trying to use this coin,
Specs:
OS X 10.8.4
Processor: 3.4 Intel Core 7
Memory: 8GB 1600 MHz

Cant get the .app to open

Code:
Dyld Error Message:
  Library not loaded: @executable_path/../Frameworks/QtGui.framework/Versions/4.0/QtGui
  Referenced from: /Users/USER/Downloads/Anoncoin-Qt.app/Contents/MacOS/Anoncoin-Qt
  Reason: image not found
hero member
Activity: 490
Merit: 500
:)
Is this coin dead?
The pool at coinpool.i2p doesnt work?

Is there any other working pools?

There is nothing wrong with the pool. The error must be in your end. Try be a little more verbose and maybe we can help you.
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