Let's see the lawsuit options:
.. you don't know Swiss OR, do you?
Topic: Official BITMINE CoinCraft series 28nm ASIC miners thread - page 176. (Read 565240 times)
.. you don't know Swiss OR, do you?
I vote for a joint lawsuit to figure out what happened.
Let's see the lawsuit options:
- You can try a civil lawsuit against them for breach of contract. The problem is, as long as they eventually ship your product and offer the customer protection plan that both parties have agreed with, there is no breach of contract. You lose.
- They could, *technically speaking*, try a criminal lawsuit against you for defamation (or a civil law suit for damages, that can generally be debt-collected internationally, as long as you aren't insolvent and your country has common law), and use this forum as evidence. A judge would then want to hear you so that you show him or her the proof of your statement (i.e. their are self-mining with the chips since December 6). If you can't show that evidence, they would win. You lose, again
Of course, Bitmine is not stupid and won't sue their own customers (not mentioning that suing you for this would be very difficult in practice, especially internationally). Their PR could be better to calm down the impatient miners, but they are still much better at this than, say, BFL_Josh (i.e. their not calling you names in return, they aren't doing forced refunds on unhappy pre-order customers, etc.).
My advice: they have given a news update a few days ago, and they said they would catch up with production soon enough. Mark their words, and come back in a few weeks to check for the result.
.. you know .. you are playing with our(!) product's 
anybody called them ?
i heard yesterday that they have no psu for the desk's but they will deliver the first rigs on monday...
(i get this information from a customer how called them)
have anybody more or new information ?
i heard yesterday that they have no psu for the desk's but they will deliver the first rigs on monday...
(i get this information from a customer how called them)
have anybody more or new information ?
Look at the pictures - just desk units around there with built-in PSU, plus a stack of cartons in the back. So Bitmine can ship if they want.
If they really run out of PSU they are just stupid as everybody know nowaday that big PSU & GPUs are rare. Bitmine had 3-5 month time to buy these parts.
Just a few posts above you can read we all got another info for shipping the first rigs - next week friday...
i can only say what was relayed to me ;-)
and i see also the picture and the contradiction between picture and info.
is the question:
why did they not deliever ?
anybody called them ?
i heard yesterday that they have no psu for the desk's but they will deliver the first rigs on monday...
(i get this information from a customer how called them)
have anybody more or new information ?
i heard yesterday that they have no psu for the desk's but they will deliver the first rigs on monday...
(i get this information from a customer how called them)
have anybody more or new information ?
Look at the pictures - just desk units around there with built-in PSU, plus a stack of cartons in the back. So Bitmine can ship if they want.
If they really run out of PSU they are just stupid as everybody know nowaday that big PSU & GPUs are rare. Bitmine had 3-5 month time to buy these parts.
Just a few posts above you can read we all got another info for shipping the first rigs - next week friday...
anybody called them ?
i heard yesterday that they have no psu for the desk's but they will deliver the first rigs on monday...
(i get this information from a customer how called them)
have anybody more or new information ?
i heard yesterday that they have no psu for the desk's but they will deliver the first rigs on monday...
(i get this information from a customer how called them)
have anybody more or new information ?
Because they aren't giving them to techs to hand assemble. Sure, if they did that they could pump out several units a day. That's all they'd ever do though. The setup time for doing large production is larger, but once it's going the speed is way higher.
And this setup could not have done in the last 2 months while they were waiting for parts?
I understand there is lead time for getting PCBs run through a pick and place machine but this is getting ridiculous ... Swiss efficiency my ass...
Exactly that.
The whole project handling feels so amateurish and ragged that I personally am not believing it anymore. I much rather think that we are being taken for fools.
I assume the first batch of chips was very well delivered in December - as scheduled - and they (or their investors) are mining (since 6th of dec) like other corrupt manufacturers e.g. Avalon did before.
The following is no proof but could be evidence (reported by S4VV4S):
http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1Nbq2XZaRsKknf5fcT2wTXvBS31PaUWSeX
https://blockchain.info/address/1Nbq2XZaRsKknf5fcT2wTXvBS31PaUWSeX?offset=0&filter=0
As far as there is no exact clarification from bitmine I vote for a joint lawsuit to figure out what happened.
"Dolce far niente" is definitely not sufficient as an explanation in this case.
... Swiss efficiency my ass...
.. they produce in Italy .. and the people in Italy are well known for "dolce far niente"
In Italia non potresti sopravvivere neanche un giorno con una mentalità del genere, e comunque generalizzare è da ignoranti!
... Swiss efficiency my ass...
.. they produce in Italy .. and the people in Italy are well known for "dolce far niente"
Because they aren't giving them to techs to hand assemble. Sure, if they did that they could pump out several units a day. That's all they'd ever do though. The setup time for doing large production is larger, but once it's going the speed is way higher.
And this setup could not have done in the last 2 months while they were waiting for parts?
I understand there is lead time for getting PCBs run through a pick and place machine but this is getting ridiculous ... Swiss efficiency my ass...
The update last week was quite nice but a thing I cannot understand, the chips had arrived at Bitmine HQ Jan 29th, according to Giorgio
and production capability is increased 200% to 6 workers, and now it is claimed the first units will start heading out the door by beginning of next week
where is the delay coming from? I run small business repair electronics, also some low level stuff BGA rework, only 3 full time workers on workshop side but, every day they disassemble, assemble units- order parts and out the door - 20, 30 packets. like clockwork, and this is just 'amateur' level.
so with Bitmine pro operation, 6 workers, who presumably contracted for part time basis on a multi-million dollar project why it would take 7 days to build 1 unit and start to ship?
I'm too curious about this, doesn't seem to add up.. there needs to be sufficient info & supporting evidence forthcoming here
Because they aren't giving them to techs to hand assemble. Sure, if they did that they could pump out several units a day. That's all they'd ever do though. The setup time for doing large production is larger, but once it's going the speed is way higher. and production capability is increased 200% to 6 workers, and now it is claimed the first units will start heading out the door by beginning of next week
where is the delay coming from? I run small business repair electronics, also some low level stuff BGA rework, only 3 full time workers on workshop side but, every day they disassemble, assemble units- order parts and out the door - 20, 30 packets. like clockwork, and this is just 'amateur' level.
so with Bitmine pro operation, 6 workers, who presumably contracted for part time basis on a multi-million dollar project why it would take 7 days to build 1 unit and start to ship?
I'm too curious about this, doesn't seem to add up.. there needs to be sufficient info & supporting evidence forthcoming here
@giorgiomassa
If I receive a not working miner
What to do in this case
Is this a hypothetical question or DID you receive a faullty miner?
How about you ask their support?
I ask for the future!
I think it's important and it is better to ask in advance!
@giorgiomassa
If I receive a not working miner
What to do in this case
Is this a hypothetical question or DID you receive a faullty miner?
How about you ask their support?
How are miner's in the US looking at powering the 2.8(TH/s)@3kW device?
@giorgiomassa
If I receive a not working miner
What to do in this case
For those who say the costs of starting Desk today cleared them not, according to the first bitmine fresh start to the end of next week
Antonio (Bitmine AG)
Feb 03 16:55
Hi,
the first orders will be shipped by the end of the next week,
At the moment I do not have an exact day for the shipping of your order as soon as I get the information from the production I will let you know.
Thanks
for your interests in our products.
Danke für Ihr Interesse an unseren Produkten.
For any questions don't hesitate to contact us. In the meantime
Für Fragen sind wir jederzeit für Sie da.
Kind regards/MfG
Customer Service
Antonio (Bitmine AG)
Feb 03 16:55
Hi,
the first orders will be shipped by the end of the next week,
At the moment I do not have an exact day for the shipping of your order as soon as I get the information from the production I will let you know.
Thanks
for your interests in our products.
Danke für Ihr Interesse an unseren Produkten.
For any questions don't hesitate to contact us. In the meantime
Für Fragen sind wir jederzeit für Sie da.
Kind regards/MfG
Customer Service
the question is, what did they do -> the production starts last week
why did they need two weeks for the first shipping ? (two weeks burn in test ort what
?)thats incredible!
I post what they have answered me when I asked if they have started sending miners and more or less when my unit would be sent, and I've had that response which has started production but not fresh.
For those who say the costs of starting Desk today cleared them not, according to the first bitmine fresh start to the end of next week
Antonio (Bitmine AG)
Feb 03 16:55
Hi,
the first orders will be shipped by the end of the next week,
At the moment I do not have an exact day for the shipping of your order as soon as I get the information from the production I will let you know.
Thanks
for your interests in our products.
Danke für Ihr Interesse an unseren Produkten.
For any questions don't hesitate to contact us. In the meantime
Für Fragen sind wir jederzeit für Sie da.
Kind regards/MfG
Customer Service
Antonio (Bitmine AG)
Feb 03 16:55
Hi,
the first orders will be shipped by the end of the next week,
At the moment I do not have an exact day for the shipping of your order as soon as I get the information from the production I will let you know.
Thanks
for your interests in our products.
Danke für Ihr Interesse an unseren Produkten.
For any questions don't hesitate to contact us. In the meantime
Für Fragen sind wir jederzeit für Sie da.
Kind regards/MfG
Customer Service
the question is, what did they do -> the production starts last week
why did they need two weeks for the first shipping ? (two weeks burn in test ort what
?)thats incredible!
@giorgiomassa
It´s about time that you prepare an official statement for your customers, detailing the delays and the exact reason for delays.
A simple statement that your chip producer is the one to be blamed is not satisfactory anymore. I need you to issue written statements of your sub-contractor as well as a schedule of what went wrong in your project execution; agreements between you and the chip manufacturer, contracts, etc. I am of course willing to sign an NDA.
You are not talking openly about what is really happening.
If I see a single miner hashing from 6th of december on with >500TH/s hashrate I am getting very suspicious!
I am preparing legal action against you - because this is in-transparent as in-transparent can be.
@lossminer
Please contact me regarding the Swiss business attorney you mentioned if you don´t mind - tia; else I will contact my attorney.
It´s about time that you prepare an official statement for your customers, detailing the delays and the exact reason for delays.
A simple statement that your chip producer is the one to be blamed is not satisfactory anymore. I need you to issue written statements of your sub-contractor as well as a schedule of what went wrong in your project execution; agreements between you and the chip manufacturer, contracts, etc. I am of course willing to sign an NDA.
You are not talking openly about what is really happening.
If I see a single miner hashing from 6th of december on with >500TH/s hashrate I am getting very suspicious!
I am preparing legal action against you - because this is in-transparent as in-transparent can be.
@lossminer
Please contact me regarding the Swiss business attorney you mentioned if you don´t mind - tia; else I will contact my attorney.
+1
For those who say the costs of starting Desk today cleared them not, according to the first bitmine fresh start to the end of next week
Antonio (Bitmine AG)
Feb 03 16:55
Hi,
the first orders will be shipped by the end of the next week,
At the moment I do not have an exact day for the shipping of your order as soon as I get the information from the production I will let you know.
Thanks
for your interests in our products.
Danke für Ihr Interesse an unseren Produkten.
For any questions don't hesitate to contact us. In the meantime
Für Fragen sind wir jederzeit für Sie da.
Kind regards/MfG
Customer Service
Antonio (Bitmine AG)
Feb 03 16:55
Hi,
the first orders will be shipped by the end of the next week,
At the moment I do not have an exact day for the shipping of your order as soon as I get the information from the production I will let you know.
Thanks
for your interests in our products.
Danke für Ihr Interesse an unseren Produkten.
For any questions don't hesitate to contact us. In the meantime
Für Fragen sind wir jederzeit für Sie da.
Kind regards/MfG
Customer Service
@giorgiomassa
It´s about time that you prepare an official statement for your customers, detailing the delays and the exact reason for delays.
A simple statement that your chip producer is the one to be blamed is not satisfactory anymore. I need you to issue written statements of your sub-contractor as well as a schedule of what went wrong in your project execution; agreements between you and the chip manufacturer, contracts, etc. I am of course willing to sign an NDA.
You are not talking openly about what is really happening.
If I see a single miner hashing from 6th of december on with >500TH/s hashrate I am getting very suspicious!
I am preparing legal action against you - because this is in-transparent as in-transparent can be.
@lossminer
Please contact me regarding the Swiss business attorney you mentioned if you don´t mind - tia; else I will contact my attorney.
It´s about time that you prepare an official statement for your customers, detailing the delays and the exact reason for delays.
A simple statement that your chip producer is the one to be blamed is not satisfactory anymore. I need you to issue written statements of your sub-contractor as well as a schedule of what went wrong in your project execution; agreements between you and the chip manufacturer, contracts, etc. I am of course willing to sign an NDA.
You are not talking openly about what is really happening.
If I see a single miner hashing from 6th of december on with >500TH/s hashrate I am getting very suspicious!
I am preparing legal action against you - because this is in-transparent as in-transparent can be.
@lossminer
Please contact me regarding the Swiss business attorney you mentioned if you don´t mind - tia; else I will contact my attorney.
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