Topic: Official BITMINE CoinCraft series 28nm ASIC miners thread - page 34. (Read 565240 times)

this is just one big scam going on.


Isn't it generally known that Bitmine.ch is deliberately comitting fraud to every customer?





They should be able to pay every scamed customer back with +10% easy. But they don't want to. Instead they are using this fraud money to expand and build a could mining center somewhere.

What a stinky pack.

oh really mr. i speak the only truth? you are funny. are you swiss lawyer?

i think thats not right -> in this forum were very important informations -> i don't know if somebody delete this informations -> but if you have the right informations, it will cost bitmine a lot of money... or it cost's bitmine a lot of money... -> a big information source was "zepir" i don't know if this is the right spelling....

but at the moment it looks like -> that they don't have enough money...

Sorry to hear about you situation. Jeezes, second half of October, what are these guys doing...

you must be well informed about our financial situation lol...

here mr.lawyer

http://www.lernender.ch/LAP/Zusammenfassungen/Rechtskunde/Thema-Kaufvertrag-Felician%20Abderhalden-10.05.02.pdf

Schadenersatz Art. 107 und 109 OR
Der Rechtsweg bei mangelhafter Lieferung
und bei Lieferungsverzug ist immer mit
Schadenersatzforderungen verbunden. Dabei unt
erscheiden wir unter drei Varianten des
Schadenersatzes. Mit Schadenersatz be
zeichnet man eine Vermögenseinbusse.
1.
Beharren auf Lieferung:
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Schadenersatz wegen verspäteter Lieferung:
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Entgangener Gewinn, Spesen
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Vertragsinhalt wird trotzdem weiterhin erfüllt
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Man möchte den Lieferanten
weiterhin berü
cksichtigen.
-> Berechnung:
2.
Verzicht auf diesen Lieferanten:
Î
Schadenersatz wegen Nichte
rfüllung des Vertrages:
-
Mehrkosten bei Beschaffung von Ersatzware
-
Vertragsinhalt wird trotzdem weiterhin erfüllt.
-
Der Vertragsinhalt kann auch von eine
m anderen Lieferanten erfüllt werden.
3.
Rücktritt vom Vertrag:
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Schadenersatz wegen Dahi
nfallen des Vertrages:
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Spesen, Ersatz von besonderen Vorbereitungen
-
Vertragsinhalt soll nicht mehr erfüllt werden.
Lernender.ch - Das In
foportal für Lernende
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Die Erfüllung des Vertrages ist durch die Mä
ngel oder den Verzug sinnlos geworden.
(Häufig bei Fixgeschäften)
•
Zu dem untersteht der Käufer der Schadenm
inderungspflicht. Das heisst der Schaden
muss so klein wie mögl
ich gehalten werden.
•
Kann Ersatzware ohne Proble
m beschafft werden so werd
en nur die Mehrkosten bei
der Beschaffung der Ersatz
ware gefordert werden.

Yeah,  that would be my solution also.  stay up until 10am Swiss time,  and just stay on hold till you speak to a live person.  Then play "let's make a deal".  

Things I would try:

-I will give up my claim to the extra 10% if you send me a refund in the next 5 days.  Get it in writing before you agree.

-Try to give up half of your refund for hardware. Try for greater than 200% as stated in the mail... there current terms for hardware conversion is a ripoff... you can buy better hardware for $1/Ghash (see the antminer S3).  They are offering basically $3/ghash. Then sell the hardware.  

Sorry to hear about your situation. =(

My story may be will sound stupid to many of you. But just want to share. I paid my order in January/2014.

Get the money as loan with high fees, because i tought that "Second week of March" is not so away...now i want to hit my head in the table, but its too late.

March passed, April come...had some letters with Kerim i think - he said its ok, we work, we are pressed, we...

...than later on i start to ask for refund. Fill the letter with the refund info and from 20.05 i wait my refund...

After 20.06 i start to ask what happen, because every month i pay the fkin fees of the loan - no answer. Mail after mail - NOONE...

Than today i saw a "nice" offer:

Antonio (Bitmine AG)

Dear Mr. Georgiev ,

as you may already be aware we are facing some difficulties to process all the refund requests we have received. With this e-mail we would like, first of all, to apologize for the delays you are facing and to thank you for the patience so far.

Given your position in the refunds processing queue and our cash-flow projections, your refund is expected to be processed about on the second half of October, 2014.

We understand this may be a long time to wait for, as such we would like to give you some alternative options that may be available in shorter time:

1) We may restore your order and send it to you with 100% more hashing power than the original order was. That is, if you ordered 1TH/s, you would get 2TH/s. Shipping would usually take place same day or day after we received confirmation from you, anyway not more than 5-7 days.

2) You may convert the amount we owe you (including the 10% penalty) into hosted mining contracts, which will be available from August 15th. More information is available at http://bitmine.ch/hosted-mining-plans-now-available-starting-1gh/

Let us know if you are interested in exploring either of the alternative options, otherwise we kindly ask you to bear some more patience until your refund is processed.

Best regards,

Thanks
for your interests in our products.

Danke für Ihr Interesse an unseren Produkten.

For any questions don't hesitate to contact us. In the meantime

Für Fragen sind wir jederzeit für Sie da.

Kind regards/MfG

Customer Service

Its ok, but when i send the money - there was other TERMS. Acorrding to the terms then i get the loan. With the terms NOW till Octomber i will pay and pay fees and...in short words. Ive never, ever, ever want to hear the word Bitcoin in my life. Also hope never to deal with Swiss Companyes. If this was happen in my country - till now there someone should be death.

I DONT want their hardware anymore, also i dont want service that will HELP me to pay the fees i want the money back to TURN the LOAN. This they cant and dont want to understand.

Ok, may be i am too emotional at the moment. One of the reasons is that i wait my forth kid in November. I need any money fo then but i cant save a shit because of the fees. Yeah I am pretty in mind that this is not problem of Bitmine, but mine. But they dont even read my emails, threat all of us as some kinda animals with standart replayes and always put the point how they are "pressed", "bussy" and so on. Yes but I, we are in the same situation everyone of us, because of their marketing plans and true lies.

The only thing that i can do now, and that left to be done is to write tons of emails to the places that you all recommend in the posts. Also thanks to zadehmehdi for the post. Till now i dont did it, because i believed that Bitmine will bet on their responsabilities according to their terms at the moment that deal was made. Now i see that will be more easy to recieve letter from my death Grandfather.

As i said i will writte to everywhere that you recommend, together will that will try in my freetime to register and share my experience in every forum connected somehow with Bitcoin. I dont want ANYONE to come in my situation. If everyone writte about this in lots of forums there will be good SEO for Bitime - Coincraft - Lies, and i believe they will be not able to lie people anymore.

Kind regards, and sorry that i cry on your sholder,

Nick

you can sue them for the damage done by to late delivery... bitmine must pay the done damage and we all know there is still a lot of money and inventory there.

you understand that legal cases takes around 0.5-3 years, until finished?
 

they just have to scam a few more people before they have enough money for a data center in island.

DEAR ALL VICTIMS OF BITMINE,

MAKE SURE TO GO TO THIS SITE (http://www.ic3.gov/default.aspx) AND FILE A COMPLAINT WITH THE FBI INTERNET CRIME COMPLAINT CENTER.  ALSO MAKE SURE TO CALL YOUR BANK TO REPORT (Loss Prevention/Retail Escalation Dept) THEM FOR STEALING YOUR MONEY AND YOU ARE A VICTIM OF WIRE FRAUD.  THIS WILL BUILD A CASE AGAINST THEM SO WHEN LEGAL ACTION AGAINST THEM IS THE ONLY CHOICE THERE WILL BE DOCUMENTATION OF ALL ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES.  BELOW ARE SOME OTHER CONTACTS TO UTILIZE TO REPORT THEM TO THE SWISS LOCAL AND FEDERAL POLICE.  IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS PLEASE DON'T HESITATE TO CONTACT ME.  THE MORE PEOPLE FOLLOW THROUGH THEN THE MORE EXPOSURE AND ATTENTION THEY WILL GET FROM THE AUTHORITIES.      

Federal Swiss Police
[email protected]

Local Swiss Police
[email protected]

You must write them a letter with all documentation included:
MINISTRY OF PUBLIC
via Praetorian 16
6900 Lugano (TI)
Switzerland

He is a politician in Switzerland that may be able to help:
Jean Christophe Schwaab
[email protected]

hmm 900ghz? need some pictures with full populated 2.4th rigs with eligius stats.

Anybody got any information about the datacenter where bitmine is going to locate their cloud?

I could not find anything with google

Since they come from Switzerland, I would say they are all 220v PSUs. 110v is a very inefficient way to power these rigs...

So you had no problems with the default PSUs? Your electricity is 110 or 220 V ?

I will replace the PSUs today. If I manage to make it work will upload photos for you guys. I've just received the rigs just 3 days ago.

look at page 199 ... I got 6 rigs!

CoinCraft Rig updates – NOW IN PRODUCTION!
May 7, 2014 by Giorgio Massarotto

http://bitmine.ch/coincraft-rig-updates-now-production/

2 july

no rig video, no rig customers who received a rig...

only giorgio got a new ferrari and a brand new datacenter in island with 1 petahash.

mr masarotto you are really the scammer of the year... well done

Is there anyone with a recent "Betreiberauszug" from Bitmine?

I need confirmation of address etc.