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February 12, 2014, 10:40:43 AM
bitfury is not obsolete at all. This is most efficient chip in terms of power even though it is old 55nm tech. The only thing is how fast can you scale in terms of installation and what is the price negotiated when investing 5 Mil Wink

Ok, I admit that I have not looked at the power numbers for bitfury versus coincraft.  

How do bitfury and coincraft compare?

Why don't we see 1.2 THs systems with Bitfury on board?
1. As far as i know bitfury is not shipping chips anymore. the last sold chips were last year November if i remember correctly.
There was a powerful design more chips per board from Bitfury itself and guess it never worked!
2. And designing TH unit in a box is pain in the ass because of various reasons, power, heating, chip density,PCB requirements and so on. It does not matter if it is bitfury coin craft or whatever. Small designs are more flexible in terms of power requirements and cooling. that is the main reason people do not build TH in one unit. But from marketing point of view TH in a box for 600W is a dream  Wink
Look at the cointera - i am not watching their thread closely but as far as i know instead of 2TH promised they are in 1.3-1.4TH i guess with 30-50% increased power usage also. that is the realty we all have to face. But this is not excuse for AMT and misleading info provided!

My theory is that AMT doesn't really care about the retail market.

That is why they barely do anything to update the site with more videos or photos.  

What is very curious, Bitmine.ch is also doing the same thing.  No new updates from their website.

The retail business was used as a spring board to raise enough cash to either go into the wholesale business or go into massive mining operation.  The later has obviously more risk.

In general, I think both companies do not want to sell to new retail customers.  



Misleading info? Don't assume wattage consumption on the idea that we'll use a specific design that available.  Or that just because we've used a board manufacturer before means we'll do the same thing again. Regarding your assumption of a massive farm, its not in the pipeline for sure. Both we and the Swiss are of course in it for hardware sale and are taking orders from new clients everyday. As sick as it is this "bad publicity" urges people to verify our legitimacy and in doing so they place an order in the process. I'm sure an update will emerge very soon demonstrating progress thus far.  And then we can talk about whats "at the wall".

I liked that .3w over under 1.1W idea with parlay on the hash-rate coming in on track, that was a good one.


Well that confirms it then, AMT is not in the massive farm buisness.  Which makes sense due to the risk involved in such an enterprise.

Still,  you have not explained your poor retail customer service and lack of updates.  So, I'm betting that you don't really care since you have enough orders in the pipeline to be profitable.

We haven't been fed with a silver spoon with venture capital like some of the other asic manufacturers in the industry, and therefore can't attribute too much to pr/marketing. Its not like we don't want to do it, its just time consuming and we're still searching for the right person to take that on.

what happened to we are hiring more people? this like other little pieces of information you dole out have turned out to be lies. shipping dates have been patently false as well. it doesnt take long to GIVE A DELIVERY UPDATE! what happened to AMT asking buyers about case options last week? this was a lie too! it's bad enough you ignore questions you dont want to answer but the information you cherry pick is wrong as well. you wonder why people get angry with you? couple that with the worst customer service in american retail history and is it any wonder people DO NOT TRUST YOU? when will order #610 ship? how many times do i have to ask you?
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February 12, 2014, 09:51:20 AM
bitfury is not obsolete at all. This is most efficient chip in terms of power even though it is old 55nm tech. The only thing is how fast can you scale in terms of installation and what is the price negotiated when investing 5 Mil Wink

Ok, I admit that I have not looked at the power numbers for bitfury versus coincraft.  

How do bitfury and coincraft compare?

Why don't we see 1.2 THs systems with Bitfury on board?
1. As far as i know bitfury is not shipping chips anymore. the last sold chips were last year November if i remember correctly.
There was a powerful design more chips per board from Bitfury itself and guess it never worked!
2. And designing TH unit in a box is pain in the ass because of various reasons, power, heating, chip density,PCB requirements and so on. It does not matter if it is bitfury coin craft or whatever. Small designs are more flexible in terms of power requirements and cooling. that is the main reason people do not build TH in one unit. But from marketing point of view TH in a box for 600W is a dream  Wink
Look at the cointera - i am not watching their thread closely but as far as i know instead of 2TH promised they are in 1.3-1.4TH i guess with 30-50% increased power usage also. that is the realty we all have to face. But this is not excuse for AMT and misleading info provided!

My theory is that AMT doesn't really care about the retail market.

That is why they barely do anything to update the site with more videos or photos.  

What is very curious, Bitmine.ch is also doing the same thing.  No new updates from their website.

The retail business was used as a spring board to raise enough cash to either go into the wholesale business or go into massive mining operation.  The later has obviously more risk.

In general, I think both companies do not want to sell to new retail customers.  



Misleading info? Don't assume wattage consumption on the idea that we'll use a specific design that available.  Or that just because we've used a board manufacturer before means we'll do the same thing again. Regarding your assumption of a massive farm, its not in the pipeline for sure. Both we and the Swiss are of course in it for hardware sale and are taking orders from new clients everyday. As sick as it is this "bad publicity" urges people to verify our legitimacy and in doing so they place an order in the process. I'm sure an update will emerge very soon demonstrating progress thus far.  And then we can talk about whats "at the wall".

I liked that .3w over under 1.1W idea with parlay on the hash-rate coming in on track, that was a good one.


Well that confirms it then, AMT is not in the massive farm buisness.  Which makes sense due to the risk involved in such an enterprise.

Still,  you have not explained your poor retail customer service and lack of updates.  So, I'm betting that you don't really care since you have enough orders in the pipeline to be profitable.

We haven't been fed with a silver spoon with venture capital like some of the other asic manufacturers in the industry, and therefore can't attribute too much to pr/marketing. Its not like we don't want to do it, its just time consuming and we're still searching for the right person to take that on.

It does not take much time to posts photos that reveal progress.   Even screen shots will do.   But apparently, that's too much effort,  which I have no clue as to why that is so.   
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February 12, 2014, 09:38:12 AM
bitfury is not obsolete at all. This is most efficient chip in terms of power even though it is old 55nm tech. The only thing is how fast can you scale in terms of installation and what is the price negotiated when investing 5 Mil Wink

Ok, I admit that I have not looked at the power numbers for bitfury versus coincraft.  

How do bitfury and coincraft compare?

Why don't we see 1.2 THs systems with Bitfury on board?
1. As far as i know bitfury is not shipping chips anymore. the last sold chips were last year November if i remember correctly.
There was a powerful design more chips per board from Bitfury itself and guess it never worked!
2. And designing TH unit in a box is pain in the ass because of various reasons, power, heating, chip density,PCB requirements and so on. It does not matter if it is bitfury coin craft or whatever. Small designs are more flexible in terms of power requirements and cooling. that is the main reason people do not build TH in one unit. But from marketing point of view TH in a box for 600W is a dream  Wink
Look at the cointera - i am not watching their thread closely but as far as i know instead of 2TH promised they are in 1.3-1.4TH i guess with 30-50% increased power usage also. that is the realty we all have to face. But this is not excuse for AMT and misleading info provided!

My theory is that AMT doesn't really care about the retail market.

That is why they barely do anything to update the site with more videos or photos.  

What is very curious, Bitmine.ch is also doing the same thing.  No new updates from their website.

The retail business was used as a spring board to raise enough cash to either go into the wholesale business or go into massive mining operation.  The later has obviously more risk.

In general, I think both companies do not want to sell to new retail customers.  



Misleading info? Don't assume wattage consumption on the idea that we'll use a specific design that available.  Or that just because we've used a board manufacturer before means we'll do the same thing again. Regarding your assumption of a massive farm, its not in the pipeline for sure. Both we and the Swiss are of course in it for hardware sale and are taking orders from new clients everyday. As sick as it is this "bad publicity" urges people to verify our legitimacy and in doing so they place an order in the process. I'm sure an update will emerge very soon demonstrating progress thus far.  And then we can talk about whats "at the wall".

I liked that .3w over under 1.1W idea with parlay on the hash-rate coming in on track, that was a good one.


Well that confirms it then, AMT is not in the massive farm buisness.  Which makes sense due to the risk involved in such an enterprise.

Still,  you have not explained your poor retail customer service and lack of updates.  So, I'm betting that you don't really care since you have enough orders in the pipeline to be profitable.

We haven't been fed with a silver spoon with venture capital like some of the other asic manufacturers in the industry, and therefore can't attribute too much to pr/marketing. Its not like we don't want to do it, its just time consuming and we're still searching for the right person to take that on.
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February 12, 2014, 09:28:47 AM
when will order #610 ship? how many times do i have to ask?

I'll be honest,  I think they don't care at all.  Could be next week or week after next.

Your best bet is to sell your spot.  I am sure there are a lot of buyers out there.

I already sold one of my spots.   

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February 12, 2014, 09:26:57 AM
bitfury is not obsolete at all. This is most efficient chip in terms of power even though it is old 55nm tech. The only thing is how fast can you scale in terms of installation and what is the price negotiated when investing 5 Mil Wink

Ok, I admit that I have not looked at the power numbers for bitfury versus coincraft.  

How do bitfury and coincraft compare?

Why don't we see 1.2 THs systems with Bitfury on board?
1. As far as i know bitfury is not shipping chips anymore. the last sold chips were last year November if i remember correctly.
There was a powerful design more chips per board from Bitfury itself and guess it never worked!
2. And designing TH unit in a box is pain in the ass because of various reasons, power, heating, chip density,PCB requirements and so on. It does not matter if it is bitfury coin craft or whatever. Small designs are more flexible in terms of power requirements and cooling. that is the main reason people do not build TH in one unit. But from marketing point of view TH in a box for 600W is a dream  Wink
Look at the cointera - i am not watching their thread closely but as far as i know instead of 2TH promised they are in 1.3-1.4TH i guess with 30-50% increased power usage also. that is the realty we all have to face. But this is not excuse for AMT and misleading info provided!

My theory is that AMT doesn't really care about the retail market.

That is why they barely do anything to update the site with more videos or photos.  

What is very curious, Bitmine.ch is also doing the same thing.  No new updates from their website.

The retail business was used as a spring board to raise enough cash to either go into the wholesale business or go into massive mining operation.  The later has obviously more risk.

In general, I think both companies do not want to sell to new retail customers.  



Misleading info? Don't assume wattage consumption on the idea that we'll use a specific design that available.  Or that just because we've used a board manufacturer before means we'll do the same thing again. Regarding your assumption of a massive farm, its not in the pipeline for sure. Both we and the Swiss are of course in it for hardware sale and are taking orders from new clients everyday. As sick as it is this "bad publicity" urges people to verify our legitimacy and in doing so they place an order in the process. I'm sure an update will emerge very soon demonstrating progress thus far.  And then we can talk about whats "at the wall".

I liked that .3w over under 1.1W idea with parlay on the hash-rate coming in on track, that was a good one.


Well that confirms it then, AMT is not in the massive farm buisness.  Which makes sense due to the risk involved in such an enterprise.

Still,  you have not explained your poor retail customer service and lack of updates.  So, I'm betting that you don't really care since you have enough orders in the pipeline to be profitable.
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February 12, 2014, 09:18:59 AM
when will order #610 ship? how many times do i have to ask?
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February 12, 2014, 09:16:14 AM
bitfury is not obsolete at all. This is most efficient chip in terms of power even though it is old 55nm tech. The only thing is how fast can you scale in terms of installation and what is the price negotiated when investing 5 Mil Wink

Ok, I admit that I have not looked at the power numbers for bitfury versus coincraft.  

How do bitfury and coincraft compare?

Why don't we see 1.2 THs systems with Bitfury on board?
1. As far as i know bitfury is not shipping chips anymore. the last sold chips were last year November if i remember correctly.
There was a powerful design more chips per board from Bitfury itself and guess it never worked!
2. And designing TH unit in a box is pain in the ass because of various reasons, power, heating, chip density,PCB requirements and so on. It does not matter if it is bitfury coin craft or whatever. Small designs are more flexible in terms of power requirements and cooling. that is the main reason people do not build TH in one unit. But from marketing point of view TH in a box for 600W is a dream  Wink
Look at the cointera - i am not watching their thread closely but as far as i know instead of 2TH promised they are in 1.3-1.4TH i guess with 30-50% increased power usage also. that is the realty we all have to face. But this is not excuse for AMT and misleading info provided!

My theory is that AMT doesn't really care about the retail market.

That is why they barely do anything to update the site with more videos or photos.  

What is very curious, Bitmine.ch is also doing the same thing.  No new updates from their website.

The retail business was used as a spring board to raise enough cash to either go into the wholesale business or go into massive mining operation.  The later has obviously more risk.

In general, I think both companies do not want to sell to new retail customers.  



Misleading info? Don't assume wattage consumption on the idea that we'll use a specific design that available.  Or that just because we've used a board manufacturer before means we'll do the same thing again. Regarding your assumption of a massive farm, its not in the pipeline for sure. Both we and the Swiss are of course in it for hardware sale and are taking orders from new clients everyday. As sick as it is this "bad publicity" urges people to verify our legitimacy and in doing so they place an order in the process. I'm sure an update will emerge very soon demonstrating progress thus far.  And then we can talk about whats "at the wall".

I liked that .3w over under 1.1W idea with parlay on the hash-rate coming in on track, that was a good one.
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February 12, 2014, 08:08:17 AM
bitfury is not obsolete at all. This is most efficient chip in terms of power even though it is old 55nm tech. The only thing is how fast can you scale in terms of installation and what is the price negotiated when investing 5 Mil Wink

Ok, I admit that I have not looked at the power numbers for bitfury versus coincraft.  

How do bitfury and coincraft compare?

Why don't we see 1.2 THs systems with Bitfury on board?
1. As far as i know bitfury is not shipping chips anymore. the last sold chips were last year November if i remember correctly.
There was a powerful design more chips per board from Bitfury itself and guess it never worked!
2. And designing TH unit in a box is pain in the ass because of various reasons, power, heating, chip density,PCB requirements and so on. It does not matter if it is bitfury coin craft or whatever. Small designs are more flexible in terms of power requirements and cooling. that is the main reason people do not build TH in one unit. But from marketing point of view TH in a box for 600W is a dream  Wink
Look at the cointera - i am not watching their thread closely but as far as i know instead of 2TH promised they are in 1.3-1.4TH i guess with 30-50% increased power usage also. that is the realty we all have to face. But this is not excuse for AMT and misleading info provided!

My theory is that AMT doesn't really care about the retail market.

That is why they barely do anything to update the site with more videos or photos.  

What is very curious, Bitmine.ch is also doing the same thing.  No new updates from their website.

The retail business was used as a spring board to raise enough cash to either go into the wholesale business or go into massive mining operation.  The later has obviously more risk.

In general, I think both companies do not want to sell to new retail customers.  


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February 12, 2014, 07:21:52 AM
bitfury is not obsolete at all. This is most efficient chip in terms of power even though it is old 55nm tech. The only thing is how fast can you scale in terms of installation and what is the price negotiated when investing 5 Mil Wink

Ok, I admit that I have not looked at the power numbers for bitfury versus coincraft.  

How do bitfury and coincraft compare?

Why don't we see 1.2 THs systems with Bitfury on board?
1. As far as i know bitfury is not shipping chips anymore. the last sold chips were last year November if i remember correctly.
There was a powerful design more chips per board from Bitfury itself and guess it never worked!
2. And designing TH unit in a box is pain in the ass because of various reasons, power, heating, chip density,PCB requirements and so on. It does not matter if it is bitfury coin craft or whatever. Small designs are more flexible in terms of power requirements and cooling. that is the main reason people do not build TH in one unit. But from marketing point of view TH in a box for 600W is a dream  Wink
Look at the cointera - i am not watching their thread closely but as far as i know instead of 2TH promised they are in 1.3-1.4TH i guess with 30-50% increased power usage also. that is the realty we all have to face. But this is not excuse for AMT and misleading info provided!

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February 12, 2014, 07:08:44 AM
bitfury is not obsolete at all. This is most efficient chip in terms of power even though it is old 55nm tech. The only thing is how fast can you scale in terms of installation and what is the price negotiated when investing 5 Mil Wink

Ok, I admit that I have not looked at the power numbers for bitfury versus coincraft. 

How do bitfury and coincraft compare?

Why don't we see 1.2 THs systems with Bitfury on board?
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February 12, 2014, 07:05:08 AM
Best of lucky finding a manufacturer that can ship you 2.4 Th/s by April.

Bitmain units are all in-stock. Order from them now you'll have it next week.

True. And for just about 600 dollars more, plus the higher power cost. Not saying anything bad about Bitmain. It's actually a pretty good comparison.



Hmm, I want to know why our co-op put in over $20K worth of Bitmine orders in Oct./Nov. well before AMT was their official reseller...

...and we still haven't gotten our Bitmine rigs or updates.  Cry

That's what I keep telling these trolls,  if Bitmine the main manufacturer is delayed, then obviously AMT will be delayed.

The only thing going for AMT is that it is U.S. based and can ship units faster to U.S. customers than Bitmine can.



One other thing, they are not using Bitmine boards, but locally produced ones. The chips, apparently, are not an issue at this point. It is my suspicion that they are still using Technobit's design. I don't know that for certain, but some things Jim said jibe with the description of the board by Marto74. (didn't screw up your name, Martin, no white shirt!) But rather than directly buying them from Bulgaria, they're making them in or around Philly. Should cut the time frame quite a bit once they get up to speed. I've seen at least one report of that board already hashing, so the production issues should be minimal.

That is the likely situation,  the boards are Technobit design.  Just like they sold technobit design boards for the bitfury system.

I first thought that they may have been a problem with the coincraft A1 chips, however technobit is shipping stable versions, so it is not the A1 chips.

There is clearly something else going on here.

It is OBVIOUS that AMT is deliberately not showing progress by not showing photos of completed units.

AMT is not the only one,  Bitmine.ch is doing the same thing.

The question then is WHY are they shooting themselves in the foot?

ANSWER:  Retail is a crap business.   Both Bitmine and AMT are going wholesale.  They don't give a damn about the retail business.

Wholesale?  Did you not read the news in January that CoinSeed was buying $5 million worth of Bitfury boards?  (see:  http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20140123006299/en/CoinSeed-Invests-5-Million-BitFury-Bitcoin-Mining#.Uvthn0JdVng)  Well Bitfury is obsolete.   That is just a ruse,  they are likely buying $5 million worth of Coincraft.

Also do you notice that the trolls here are so involved in trying to spread FUD?  What's in it for them?   They want you to sell your spot... that is why.    AMT and Bitmine retail business is history pretty soon.  It is simply not worth it for them,  they've used retail to build up their cash position and they are moving into wholesale.

bitfury is not obsolete at all. This is most efficient chip in terms of power even though it is old 55nm tech. The only thing is how fast can you scale in terms of installation and what is the price negotiated when investing 5 Mil Wink
If i can invest 5 mil and i can scale fast i would buy furies for sure assuming same price per GH
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February 12, 2014, 07:00:16 AM
Best of lucky finding a manufacturer that can ship you 2.4 Th/s by April.

Bitmain units are all in-stock. Order from them now you'll have it next week.

True. And for just about 600 dollars more, plus the higher power cost. Not saying anything bad about Bitmain. It's actually a pretty good comparison.



Hmm, I want to know why our co-op put in over $20K worth of Bitmine orders in Oct./Nov. well before AMT was their official reseller...

...and we still haven't gotten our Bitmine rigs or updates.  Cry

That's what I keep telling these trolls,  if Bitmine the main manufacturer is delayed, then obviously AMT will be delayed.

The only thing going for AMT is that it is U.S. based and can ship units faster to U.S. customers than Bitmine can.



One other thing, they are not using Bitmine boards, but locally produced ones. The chips, apparently, are not an issue at this point. It is my suspicion that they are still using Technobit's design. I don't know that for certain, but some things Jim said jibe with the description of the board by Marto74. (didn't screw up your name, Martin, no white shirt!) But rather than directly buying them from Bulgaria, they're making them in or around Philly. Should cut the time frame quite a bit once they get up to speed. I've seen at least one report of that board already hashing, so the production issues should be minimal.

That is the likely situation,  the boards are Technobit design.  Just like they sold technobit design boards for the bitfury system.

I first thought that they may have been a problem with the coincraft A1 chips, however technobit is shipping stable versions, so it is not the A1 chips.

There is clearly something else going on here.

It is OBVIOUS that AMT is deliberately not showing progress by not showing photos of completed units.

AMT is not the only one,  Bitmine.ch is doing the same thing.

The question then is WHY are they shooting themselves in the foot?

ANSWER:  Retail is a crap business.   Both Bitmine and AMT are going wholesale.  They don't give a damn about the retail business.

Wholesale?  Did you not read the news in January that CoinSeed was buying $5 million worth of Bitfury boards?  (see:  http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20140123006299/en/CoinSeed-Invests-5-Million-BitFury-Bitcoin-Mining#.Uvthn0JdVng)  Well Bitfury is obsolete.   That is just a ruse,  they are likely buying $5 million worth of Coincraft.

Also do you notice that the trolls here are so involved in trying to spread FUD?  What's in it for them?   They want you to sell your spot... that is why.    AMT and Bitmine retail business is history pretty soon.  It is simply not worth it for them,  they've used retail to build up their cash position and they are moving into wholesale.
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February 12, 2014, 06:40:57 AM
First off Loshia, something i've wanted to mention for a while is  how you use the expression "at the wall", which is really "to the wall", and comes from the expression "balls to the wall", which is an expression used to represent acceleration or "full throttle" which was created by pilots who would push the throttle lever (the ball) to the point where it actually touches the panel (the wall). And we know you mean it from a consumption standpoint of course, I just wanted to throw that out there. Say "to the wall".

I think the 600W to 900W quote is a bit unrealistic yes. But I also think your 1.7W is a bit too much. That why i said i'd bet on 1w/ghs nominal and 1.3w overclocked or "to the wall". And yes this will be from the miners AMT ships, not demo's of course.

If you really want to make it interesting we could a .4w over/under 1.1w/ghs spread bet with a parlay for hashrate expectancy. What do you think?

He means he measures it "at the wall" socket using a Watt meter or kill-a-watt meter. Its the usual term, you are the one who is confused.

At the wall just means that is what the psu pulls from the wall socket compared to what the miner pulls from the PSU.
+1 Biffa Smiley
so my English is not native. To make it clear for you i am still taking bets if:

http://mineforeman.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/mining.jpg

They have to make 900W like the picture above. Clarification black power cable which is connected to kilawatt should be cumming from AMT machine

And do belive me AMT is misleading you a lot about actual power consumption assuming their unit is doing 1.2T




I did not mean to offend regarding the literary correction, please don't take offense.

I don't think AMT meant to mislead, I also don't expect them to come in at 900W overclocked either. I do think they will hit 950W to 1100W range at nominal speeds and 1200W to 1400W overclocked.

If you can find a bet in there. I'll take it.
Dude,
I do not feel offended not at all. Without tying to offend you  you sound like my Literature teacher when i was in 8 grade. Speaking to much and telling nothing. Same like government guys do. When you ask a question you expect a clean response which is not happening. That is their job after all never to give clear answers and always disguise the truth Wink
Stop talking about normal and turbo mode speeds. Just tell me what bet are you taking for 1.2TH unit measured at/in wall or which way you like it as long it is same like the picture posted. We do not care about turbo/non turbo mode, chip count and all that stuff. The only thing that we do care about is 1.2 TH ONE unit making 1.2TH mass shipped not a sample

1.3W/Ghs and under.
Super 1.3x1200 = equals to 1560 Wats. That is doable for mas production though in case they sacrifice 20-30% of their chips. So you admit that the 600-900W is very underestimated and misleading information. Not to sound like literature teacher i am NOT talking the bet for 1560 Wats, because i said it is DOABLE. But i DO still take bets for 900W Grin Grin Grin Grin as i stated initially. What about you?
 
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February 12, 2014, 06:34:04 AM
First off Loshia, something i've wanted to mention for a while is  how you use the expression "at the wall", which is really "to the wall", and comes from the expression "balls to the wall", which is an expression used to represent acceleration or "full throttle" which was created by pilots who would push the throttle lever (the ball) to the point where it actually touches the panel (the wall). And we know you mean it from a consumption standpoint of course, I just wanted to throw that out there. Say "to the wall".

I think the 600W to 900W quote is a bit unrealistic yes. But I also think your 1.7W is a bit too much. That why i said i'd bet on 1w/ghs nominal and 1.3w overclocked or "to the wall". And yes this will be from the miners AMT ships, not demo's of course.

If you really want to make it interesting we could a .4w over/under 1.1w/ghs spread bet with a parlay for hashrate expectancy. What do you think?

He means he measures it "at the wall" socket using a Watt meter or kill-a-watt meter. Its the usual term, you are the one who is confused.

At the wall just means that is what the psu pulls from the wall socket compared to what the miner pulls from the PSU.
+1 Biffa Smiley
so my English is not native. To make it clear for you i am still taking bets if:

http://mineforeman.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/mining.jpg

They have to make 900W like the picture above. Clarification black power cable which is connected to kilawatt should be cumming from AMT machine

And do belive me AMT is misleading you a lot about actual power consumption assuming their unit is doing 1.2T




I did not mean to offend regarding the literary correction, please don't take offense.

I don't think AMT meant to mislead, I also don't expect them to come in at 900W overclocked either. I do think they will hit 950W to 1100W range at nominal speeds and 1200W to 1400W overclocked.

If you can find a bet in there. I'll take it.
Dude,
I do not feel offended not at all. Without tying to offend you  you sound like my Literature teacher when i was in 8 grade. Speaking to much and telling nothing. Same like government guys do. When you ask a question you expect a clean response which is not happening. That is their job after all never to give clear answers and always disguise the truth Wink
Stop talking about normal and turbo mode speeds. Just tell me what bet are you taking for 1.2TH unit measured at/in wall or which way you like it as long it is same like the picture posted. We do not care about turbo/non turbo mode, chip count and all that stuff. The only thing that we do care about is 1.2 TH ONE unit making 1.2TH mass shipped not a sample

1.3W/Ghs and under.
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February 12, 2014, 06:30:01 AM
Best of lucky finding a manufacturer that can ship you 2.4 Th/s by April.

Bitmain units are all in-stock. Order from them now you'll have it next week.

True. And for just about 600 dollars more, plus the higher power cost. Not saying anything bad about Bitmain. It's actually a pretty good comparison.



Hmm, I want to know why our co-op put in over $20K worth of Bitmine orders in Oct./Nov. well before AMT was their official reseller...

...and we still haven't gotten our Bitmine rigs or updates.  Cry

That's what I keep telling these trolls,  if Bitmine the main manufacturer is delayed, then obviously AMT will be delayed.

The only thing going for AMT is that it is U.S. based and can ship units faster to U.S. customers than Bitmine can.



One other thing, they are not using Bitmine boards, but locally produced ones. The chips, apparently, are not an issue at this point. It is my suspicion that they are still using Technobit's design. I don't know that for certain, but some things Jim said jibe with the description of the board by Marto74. (didn't screw up your name, Martin, no white shirt!) But rather than directly buying them from Bulgaria, they're making them in or around Philly. Should cut the time frame quite a bit once they get up to speed. I've seen at least one report of that board already hashing, so the production issues should be minimal.
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February 12, 2014, 06:21:17 AM
My experience was that most were legit despite the legislative atmosphere, but they did NOT comply with the hydra headed, deliberately designed to drive commerce out of the commonwealth legislation. To remain in business, they paid the demanded bribes. Not all that quietly, either. Who was paying and who was on the take was common knowledge. When the revolution comes, PA's legislators will be the first against the wall. One of many reasons I no longer live in that benighted state.

"When the revolution comes"?

LoL

Facts remains, with revolution or not, AMT is not presenting themselves as the legit entity which they claim to be.

LOL. I am an anarchist. But all Empires fall, and this one is committing public suicide at an incredible rate.

I will grant that AMT has not been the most professional of entities. FWIW, they admit it. I think they just don't know how to fix it, and are trying their damnedest to deliver a quality product. I think they'll iron out their customer service issues. When I have interacted with them, they were cordial, stressed out, and came across very good as hardware people. Not so much as businessmen. We all gotta start somewhere. I think what you're seeing is a few people with good intentions and good skills at the back end, and no clue at the front end. It happens. It has happened with much larger companies. I don't know how old you are, but do you remember the Commodore Amiga? Way ahead of it's time. Should have dominated the PC market, even with IBM as a competitor. But they marketed the damn thing as a gimmicky video game instead of the most powerful personal computer on the market. Now they are a memory. It is my hope that AMT does much better, because right now they have very close to the best bang for the buck. Also because they've been cool to me, personally, but that is not enough to recommend a company. I wish it was, because it is true.
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February 12, 2014, 05:34:30 AM
I know the details of their business are shady, that is why I'm asking they post PICTURES of all the chips, boards, power supplies and cases. We can debate the other things until the cows come home - but if they provide actual photos of all the hardware they have been purchasing to build these miners out, it will put everyone (including myself) at ease.

This isn't an unrealistic request. GET TO IT!

There's a photo of batch #1 that shows clearly that there at least 1,500 coincraft A1 chips.    At say 40 chips per machine, that makes about 37 units.

40 chips per machine for 1.2 TH?

That is a joke dude that makes about 2.4Kw at the wall.

or put 80 chips per machine to reduce power - not going to happen
They should split that and deliver two machines instead of one Grin


One for living room and one for dining room connected to separate fusses  Grin and the beauty is that when you need to turn on your oven, washing machine, air conditioner or whatever  you will need need to turn off your AMT machine. Grin
Apart of the jokes for all you who are waiting for the AMT machines. Do you homework and be prepared for huge power draw for 1.2 TH check your fuses, wires in your homes in advance and make sure you can provide enough power for this beasts in advance! In order to continue to live like a human using your tv, washing machine and so on when you need/want to Smiley

I am wandering what they are producing actually at full speed Grin And what they will deliver next Week as promised?
And why they do skip such a simple questions about power draw, chip count per device and so on.
Before going to production a prototype is needed a hashing one. Did they skip this part at all? Do they have a prototype before production?
Any way we will wait and see.............
PS: I am still taking bets about power
Are some brave guy's here who want to make quick money Grin


You are likely correct that Bitmine's 28nm chips are hitting the limit of residential house hold circuitry.   That is the same for every other 28nm manufacturer.     In fact even the 20nm KNC Neptune will hit the power limits. 

It is kind of a dead end for ASIC devices,  they've finally reached parity with GPU in terms of lack of power efficiency!
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February 12, 2014, 05:28:47 AM
they are either:

1> a scam

or

2> completely incompetent


Let's hope for #2

You have not answered the question.  Are you an AMT customer?
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February 12, 2014, 05:27:25 AM
First off Loshia, something i've wanted to mention for a while is  how you use the expression "at the wall", which is really "to the wall", and comes from the expression "balls to the wall", which is an expression used to represent acceleration or "full throttle" which was created by pilots who would push the throttle lever (the ball) to the point where it actually touches the panel (the wall). And we know you mean it from a consumption standpoint of course, I just wanted to throw that out there. Say "to the wall".

I think the 600W to 900W quote is a bit unrealistic yes. But I also think your 1.7W is a bit too much. That why i said i'd bet on 1w/ghs nominal and 1.3w overclocked or "to the wall". And yes this will be from the miners AMT ships, not demo's of course.

If you really want to make it interesting we could a .4w over/under 1.1w/ghs spread bet with a parlay for hashrate expectancy. What do you think?

He means he measures it "at the wall" socket using a Watt meter or kill-a-watt meter. Its the usual term, you are the one who is confused.

At the wall just means that is what the psu pulls from the wall socket compared to what the miner pulls from the PSU.
+1 Biffa Smiley
so my English is not native. To make it clear for you i am still taking bets if:

http://mineforeman.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/mining.jpg

They have to make 900W like the picture above. Clarification black power cable which is connected to kilawatt should be cumming from AMT machine

And do belive me AMT is misleading you a lot about actual power consumption assuming their unit is doing 1.2T. PERIOD. IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN NEVER




You are likely correct about the power requirements of a coincraft A1 device.  After all, you have one in hand.

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February 12, 2014, 05:22:04 AM
First off Loshia, something i've wanted to mention for a while is  how you use the expression "at the wall", which is really "to the wall", and comes from the expression "balls to the wall", which is an expression used to represent acceleration or "full throttle" which was created by pilots who would push the throttle lever (the ball) to the point where it actually touches the panel (the wall). And we know you mean it from a consumption standpoint of course, I just wanted to throw that out there. Say "to the wall".

I think the 600W to 900W quote is a bit unrealistic yes. But I also think your 1.7W is a bit too much. That why i said i'd bet on 1w/ghs nominal and 1.3w overclocked or "to the wall". And yes this will be from the miners AMT ships, not demo's of course.

If you really want to make it interesting we could a .4w over/under 1.1w/ghs spread bet with a parlay for hashrate expectancy. What do you think?

He means he measures it "at the wall" socket using a Watt meter or kill-a-watt meter. Its the usual term, you are the one who is confused.

At the wall just means that is what the psu pulls from the wall socket compared to what the miner pulls from the PSU.
+1 Biffa Smiley
so my English is not native. To make it clear for you i am still taking bets if:

http://mineforeman.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/mining.jpg

They have to make 900W like the picture above. Clarification black power cable which is connected to kilawatt should be cumming from AMT machine

And do belive me AMT is misleading you a lot about actual power consumption assuming their unit is doing 1.2T




I did not mean to offend regarding the literary correction, please don't take offense.

I don't think AMT meant to mislead, I also don't expect them to come in at 900W overclocked either. I do think they will hit 950W to 1100W range at nominal speeds and 1200W to 1400W overclocked.

If you can find a bet in there. I'll take it.
Dude,
I do not feel offended not at all. Without tying to offend you  you sound like my Literature teacher when i was in 8 grade. Speaking to much and telling nothing. Same like government guys do. When you ask a question you expect a clean response which is not happening. That is their job after all never to give clear answers and always disguise the truth Wink
Stop talking about normal and turbo mode speeds. Just tell me what bet are you taking for 1.2TH unit measured at/in wall or which way you like it as long it is same like the picture posted. We do not care about turbo/non turbo mode, chip count and all that stuff. The only thing that we do care about is 1.2 TH ONE unit making 1.2TH mass shipped not a sample
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