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Quote from: AMT_miners on February 10, 2014, 05:13:16 PM

So we have a confirmed sale between between Tom W. and Jeff N. (grumpybearsgirl and eightcylinders) Jeff will send a check to the office, once we confirm the payment we'll shoot Tom back his refund asap by the payment of his choice. Just updating the crowd on that specific situation for Tom's refund.

Hi AMT_Miners

We're still waiting to hear back about this.

It sounds like eightcylinders has sent you PMs confirming things but they need a confirmation email or phone call or something from you before they send payment.

Thanks

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Quote from: Syke on February 13, 2014, 11:04:14 AM

Quote from: ISAWHIM on February 13, 2014, 07:33:19 AM

No you showed how mining in a pool that is constantly DDOS attacked, and rapes it's users, does not reward 1.2THs, it only rewards about 862GHs...

Here's what a stable 1 TH/s system looks like:

http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1FT66kMTmFzVVzphfTeU1q1wec7QnmfWCQ

Here's Bitmine's unstable 1 TH/s on the same pool at the same time

http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1BA1Y3xvLbSYU9TqcxUspXzEn1roSStCVr

Don't try blaming the pool. It's obviously not the pool's fault.

Isawhim has serious issues. He needs strong pils obviously and a doctor for sure. Syke, just do not pay attention to him it is useless and complete loss of time. I am starting to believe that no one cares what is all about in this thread. Pity
My feeling is that 90% of the people posting are in behalf of amt with different nicks one mad man for sure and just a few of us who tell what we think. The rest just do not care. The only thing they care is when that is all
The answer to when is next week. But which one exactly next after next. The answer what for those who care is not what was advertised in terms of speed and power consumption because bla bla. Period. But next week it will be tweaked and shipped for sure Grin

So be prepared next week your miners are coming!

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To be fair, IIRC bitmine said they would be tweaking the system over the next days to lower power consumption, so I wouldnt read too much in those stats.

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Quote from: ISAWHIM on February 13, 2014, 07:33:19 AM

No you showed how mining in a pool that is constantly DDOS attacked, and rapes it's users, does not reward 1.2THs, it only rewards about 862GHs...

Here's what a stable 1 TH/s system looks like:

http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1FT66kMTmFzVVzphfTeU1q1wec7QnmfWCQ

Here's Bitmine's unstable 1 TH/s on the same pool at the same time

http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1BA1Y3xvLbSYU9TqcxUspXzEn1roSStCVr

Don't try blaming the pool. It's obviously not the pool's fault.

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No you showed how mining in a pool that is constantly DDOS attacked, and rapes it's users, does not reward 1.2THs, it only rewards about 862GHs... (Funny that you have no idea what tuning they are doing... I see it up to 1.2THs on that 1THs miner... Obviously, something is going right.) I am sure they are constantly resetting and tuning and killing power and tuning and testing and tuning... You are missing that critical information about how long the miner has been running constantly hashing.

I can show you stats of pools that show rewards as low as 50%, because they are choking on processing Diff-shares and have too many HTTP requests to process, which are all buffered, and thus, throws your late shares out.

Pools only reward pools. (Same with cloud miners... they take all your tx-rewards for any discovered blocks, only giving you the block rewards themselves.)

I'll do solo-mining, and we can compare value/reward, in BTC.

Yes, they just updated the power estimates to 900-1200W (Which is what I have always done my estimates on.) Obviously, 1200W being the max of the unit. I assume with some turbo-room too.

Few more weeks, and all will be better.

P.S. Take this for what it is worth... IRS is delaying many income-tax returns by 21 days. (Mostly rich and middle-class people with big returns.) So, poor will actually have an advantage to buy some BTC, or other crypto, before the more wealthy can pump the market. That is my outlook. (My mother works for the IRS, so this is not like news I just read. This is essentially insider-info... lol. Try doing that on a regulated market! I love being the bank!) They must be late cashing-out all those shares from Gox... gotta wait Gox's 21 day withdraw period before they can pay us our tax-returns from the funds taken from silk-road. lol. (She thought that was funny too.)

P.P.S. I also noticed Difficulty is slowing down in growth, yet again... Adding more months of valuable mining to our hash-rates.

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Quote from: loshia on February 13, 2014, 07:22:39 AM

Guy's,
Are you blind or what? Yesterday AMT silently admited that this is their design and power usage Correct?
Today it seems that this stuff is not working right?
And you are starting some bulshit for alt cons BTC price and stuff
I am wandering Are you REAL AMT customers? Do you care about what you are going to get, when you are going to get it, how stable will it work, how many GH will it make, what power will you need? that is the stuff real miners care. And you are not acting like such! or at least you do not care Huh

Dam i need to take my pills too seems that i am crazy Grin

I will be honest with you. I don't really care.

The reason, mining hardware on the open market sells for $10 per GHs.

If AMT delivers a 1.2 THs machine in two weeks, that will fetch immediately $12,000 on eBay.

So all these details about power consumption. I don't care. I only care about a prompt and early delivery.

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AMT == please give us a shipping update?

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Guy's,
Are you blind or what? Yesterday AMT silently admited that this is their design and power usage Correct?
Today it seems that this stuff is not working right?
And you are starting some bulshit for alt cons BTC price and stuff
I am wandering Are you REAL AMT customers? Do you care about what you are going to get, when you are going to get it, how stable will it work, how many GH will it make, what power will you need? that is the stuff real miners care. And you are not acting like such! or at least you do not care Huh

Dam i need to take my pills too seems that i am crazy Grin

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Quote from: ISAWHIM on February 13, 2014, 07:05:19 AM

Quote from: loshia on February 13, 2014, 06:47:38 AM

http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1BA1Y3xvLbSYU9TqcxUspXzEn1roSStCVr
Not looking good to me at all.

Nice stats...
862GHs at about 0.16554912 BTC per day... (That is not quite a 1.2THs miners results, if it is, you are getting raped by the pool.)
That is roughly 4.9664736 in 30 days... (But lets assume 2-months, with the slowing network growth.)

What price will you be cashing-out at?
Who actually mines BTC directly?

I would not be cashing-out until BTC reaches $1000+ again... Total units estimated over the life of that machine above, would be about 12.65BTC, over a 2 year period... What will BTC be then? $30,000 per BTC, or back down to $30 per BTC... Who knows... no-one... But most believe it will be higher, so assume 10% of the worst estimates from people who actually know what they are talking about.

Looks like BTC is having a hard time pushing through $500 again... All those alts cashing-in for pennies on the dollar. That'll fade, until summer-time, when it returns to something around this price again.

The good news is that BTC seems to be on the floor. The bad news is that the money is under the floor. (I like to point out the obvious.) You don't make money if the market doesn't move! (That requires it to go up AND down. Thus, "Motion".) BTC on sale now 60% off!

How many times during the lifetime of BTC that it has become extremely unprofitable for miners? Happens all the time, and when you least expect it... boom... all of a sudden BTC is profitable again! BTC is an economic system where the cost of mining places a floor on the actual price.

The alt-coin aren't really detrimental to the price of Bitcoin. That's because alt-coins are also a source of demand for Bitcoins. There is no way to buy an alt-coin without converting your fiat into Bitcoin. However Bitcoin dwarfs all alt-coins combined.

What is very interesting though is that all mined coins have a natural seller in the miners. If you look closely at coinmarketcap.com you will not a couple of 'unmined' coins, MSC, NXT and Ripple. The price of these are higher than many other crypto-coins. The reason is that there is not natural seller. The selling of miners of the coin actually is a downward pressure on the price of the coin, that couple with the constant dilution. What is absolutely amazing is that the price of Bitcoin and a few other coins do actually rise over time!!! That mean, these prices are truly extremely stable.

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Quote from: ISAWHIM on February 13, 2014, 07:05:19 AM

Quote from: loshia on February 13, 2014, 06:47:38 AM

http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1BA1Y3xvLbSYU9TqcxUspXzEn1roSStCVr
Not looking good to me at all.

Nice stats...
862GHs at about 0.16554912 BTC per day... (That is not quite a 1.2THs miners results, if it is, you are getting raped by the pool.)
That is roughly 4.9664736 in 30 days... (But lets assume 2-months, with the slowing network growth.)

What price will you be cashing-out at?
Who actually mines BTC directly?

I would not be cashing-out until BTC reaches $1000+ again... Total units estimated over the life of that machine above, would be about 12.65BTC, over a 2 year period... What will BTC be then? $30,000 per BTC, or back down to $30 per BTC... Who knows... no-one... But most believe it will be higher, so assume 10% of the worst estimates from people who actually know what they are talking about.

Looks like BTC is having a hard time pushing through $500 again... All those alts cashing-in for pennies on the dollar. That'll fade, until summer-time, when it returns to something around this price again.

The good news is that BTC seems to be on the floor. The bad news is that the money is under the floor. (I like to point out the obvious.) You don't make money if the market doesn't move! (That requires it to go up AND down. Thus, "Motion".) BTC on sale now 60% off!

The point is that IT IS !!!UNDER PERFORMING!!! And you have just admitted that fact Grin

The funny part is that this supposed to be the unit from yesterday video which make most of you orgasmic Grin

And before your next wise comment please take your pills and visit your doctor Grin

Then write as many comments as you want

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Quote from: loshia on February 13, 2014, 06:47:38 AM

http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1BA1Y3xvLbSYU9TqcxUspXzEn1roSStCVr
Not looking good to me at all.

Nice stats...
862GHs at about 0.16554912 BTC per day... (That is not quite a 1.2THs miners results, if it is, you are getting raped by the pool.)
That is roughly 4.9664736 in 30 days... (But lets assume 2-months, with the slowing network growth.)

What price will you be cashing-out at?
Who actually mines BTC directly?

I would not be cashing-out until BTC reaches $1000+ again... Total units estimated over the life of that machine above, would be about 12.65BTC, over a 2 year period... What will BTC be then? $30,000 per BTC, or back down to $30 per BTC... Who knows... no-one... But most believe it will be higher, so assume 10% of the worst estimates from people who actually know what they are talking about.

Looks like BTC is having a hard time pushing through $500 again... All those alts cashing-in for pennies on the dollar. That'll fade, until summer-time, when it returns to something around this price again.

The good news is that BTC seems to be on the floor. The bad news is that the money is under the floor. (I like to point out the obvious.) You don't make money if the market doesn't move! (That requires it to go up AND down. Thus, "Motion".) BTC on sale now 60% off!

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Quote from: loshia on February 13, 2014, 03:29:46 AM

You are unbeatable dude i admit it Grin

lol... no...
ask me about females, and I am lost...
ask me about TV-shows, and I am lost...
ask me about Obama-Care, and I am lost...
ask me about dressing well, and I am lost...

I know less than most, about most things that many know more about... Even less about what I actually know. Assume I am wrong, research it, and you will live longer, but have less useful knowledge of anything-else.

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Favorite food: McDonalds
Favorite drink: Coffee
Favorite past-time: Taking everything apart
Biggest challenge: Putting one of those damn things back together, without spare parts left-over, and have it work.
Enjoys: ... silence (Ironic isn't it)

Yes, I am constantly fighting-off the ladies with all my desirable traits... Tongue

And making new friends!

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http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1BA1Y3xvLbSYU9TqcxUspXzEn1roSStCVr
Not looking good to me at all.
And before ISAWHIM kicks in and start to explain about diff, networks, optimizations VARIATION and whatever he can think of the picture is not good!
The only good excuse will be that they have power outages or ISP issues or that this is the only working prototype they have which is tweaked constantly Grin

Which sounds ridiculous to me personally.

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Quote from: ISAWHIM on February 13, 2014, 03:27:12 AM

cgminer uses TCP for communication. Does it not...
over TCP, it broadcasts HTTP, does it not... (You connection is to http://somesite/yourminer)

http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/key-differences-between-tcp-and-udp-protocols/

Wiki the TCP protocol, and find the "method for broadcasting a packet". There is an "OK" in that, is there not...
Wiki the HTTP protocol, and find the "method for responding to a http request". There is an "OK" in that, is there not...

Now packet-sniff the data from your miner, or look at the source-code. There is an "OK" for accepting or rejecting submitted shares, is there not...

Anyways, this is getting off topic... How many chips! lol.

You are unbeatable dude i admit it Grin

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cgminer uses TCP for communication. Does it not...
over TCP, it broadcasts HTTP, does it not... (You connection is to http://somesite/yourminer)

http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/key-differences-between-tcp-and-udp-protocols/

Wiki the TCP protocol, and find the "method for broadcasting a packet". There is an "OK" in that, is there not...
Wiki the HTTP protocol, and find the "method for responding to a http request". There is an "OK" in that, is there not...

Now packet-sniff the data from your miner, or look at the source-code. There is an "OK" for accepting or rejecting submitted shares, is there not...

Anyways, this is getting off topic... How many chips! lol.

In any event, none of that happens when solo-mining. That happens more, the lower the diff-share you use, as you are submitting more shares per second, to the pool-address you are connecting to. work = time = loss

P.S. I program raw sockets, TCP and UDP connections, and HTTP/FTP/SMTP protocols. I am not just speaking out my ass... all the time. xD (Fortunately, I don't do anything major in programming, except create my own tools for my own use. I am a horrible coder, and worse GUI guy.)

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Quote from: ISAWHIM on February 13, 2014, 03:15:34 AM

Quote from: loshia on February 13, 2014, 03:10:26 AM

TCP Broadcast adress waiting for pool ok

Wow, you are funny, that was a short answer, obviously.
There is a "TCP broadcast", to the "address your miner is connected to", which waits for an "OK, work accepted". That is how CGminer knows to display, "Rejected shares" and how it detects "New block" so you can dump your work, to start loading and processing new work.

Should I have put all that, or just said...
TCP boradcast address waiting for pool OK.

Con, Kano help me with this please Cheesy

You are embarrassing your self dude..Rely. I am not joking here...

Cry

Funny part is that you believe in the bullisht you spread. That is called COMPLETE lack of brain i have no other LOGICAL explanation.
The final comment for your broadcast shit is that any TCP broadcast adders can be used at layer 2 only. got it? 7 layer osi model. Your posts are well quoted so do no twist it please.

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Quote from: loshia on February 13, 2014, 03:10:26 AM

TCP Broadcast adress waiting for pool ok

Wow, you are funny, that was a short answer, obviously.
There is a "TCP broadcast", to the "address your miner is connected to", which waits for an "OK, work accepted". That is how CGminer knows to display, "Rejected shares" and how it detects "New block" so you can dump your work, to start loading and processing new work.

Should I have put all that, or just said...
TCP boradcast address waiting for pool OK.

TCP is a slow protocol that is bloated. It makes solid connections to ensure packet data is broadcast "completely". If not, it resends it, or starts a new connection if the OK is not received. UDP would have been better for speed, but is often blocked by ISPs and those fragmented packets are never guaranteed to even be delivered. That requires you to use separate UDP tracking, or just use horrible TCP standards. HTTP, the thing broadcast over TCP, by cgminer, is even more bloated. there is an additional "OK" status for HTTP, in the bloated header, so it knows the request was a success.

I guess anyone can mine. Must be why it is growing in popularity. all this OK broadcasting from your address. You are just inviting them in. Tongue

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Quote from: ISAWHIM on February 13, 2014, 03:03:47 AM

Quote from: loshia on February 12, 2014, 11:08:22 PM

You know what? Best case will be to mine at 2048 diff and pretend your miner is 2t instead of one. 1t miner is one 1t miner and it is staying 1t no matter what diff you are using. Simple as that...

Funny thing to notice... on the video, where it is running with a 8-diff to start at 999GHs... near the end, the pool auto-adapts to 512-diff, and the miner instantly averages 1.002THs... Let it run a little longer, it would have gone to 1024-diff and ended with an average of about 1.1THs, I am sure... (Missed that last time, it was only like a few seconds of the last frames.)
http://bitmine.ch/?p=5176

But you are right... Even watching cgminer choke, live, in that video... While the 8-diff is there, still there once the 512-diff comes. with the bottom card stalling below average as 180GHs while the others all ran smooth as butter at 222GHs... Yet, I am wrong. lol.

I can make you a video too. Ont that shows my miners pulling about 710KHs with diff-1 submission, another with the sane units pulling 730KHs with diff-32, another with them running 762KHs running solo, another with them running 781KHs solo and workload-64 size... then tell me again how my 700KHs miner is not a 781KHs miner. I could do some port-snooping and packet sniffing on the network, and accurately measure the output, along with all the repeating failed buffering of cgminer's horrible http/tcp protocol sorta-standard communication.

In the end, for those who do mine in pools, it does matter what actually gets accepted as work, for earnings.

There is no need for video to be made dude. Make sure you are using TCP Broadcast adress waiting for pool ok that is enough for me Grin

If you made me a video of that i will appreciate it very much Grin

check cgminer code it is diff independent counting shares. It returns all shares diff one. cgminer checks it against diff1 if it is HW error and counts it as good SPEED COUNTERS but submits only the ones matching diff. But i suggest you to focus on Broadcast address and movies ywhere you are good at Grin

. I am doing you a favour and saving some of your valuable brain time. Grin

To make it more mysterious - diff can be passed to chips and they can return only shares matching diff but that was not IN THE VIDEO!

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Quote from: loshia on February 12, 2014, 11:08:22 PM

You know what? Best case will be to mine at 2048 diff and pretend your miner is 2t instead of one. 1t miner is one 1t miner and it is staying 1t no matter what diff you are using. Simple as that...

Funny thing to notice... on the video, where it is running with a 8-diff to start at 780-999GHs... near the end, the pool auto-adapts to 512-diff, and the miner instantly averages 1.002THs... Let it run a little longer, it would have gone to 1024-diff and ended with an average of about 1.1THs, I am sure... (Missed that last time, it was only like a few seconds of the last frames.)
http://bitmine.ch/?p=5176

I am sure they cut the video off on purpose, to hide the fact that it would do even more. That average shot-up way too fast, after having to also calculate the 2 minutes of 780GHs, from the cold-boot, in the beginning of the video, where it took forever to climb to 999GHs from 998GHs average.

But you are right... Even watching cgminer choke, live, in that video... While the 8-diff is there, still there once the 512-diff comes. with the bottom card stalling below average as 180GHs while the others all ran smooth as butter at 222GHs... Yet, I am wrong. lol.

I can make you a video too. One that shows my miners pulling about 710KHs with diff-1 submission, another with the sane units pulling 730KHs with diff-32, another with them running 762KHs running solo, another with them running 781KHs solo and workload-64 size... then tell me again how my 700KHs miner is not a 781KHs miner. I could do some port-snooping and packet sniffing on the network, and accurately measure the output, along with all the repeating failed buffering of cgminer's horrible http/tcp protocol sorta-standard communication.

In the end, for those who do mine in pools, it does matter what actually gets accepted as work, for earnings.

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Quote from: Biomech on February 12, 2014, 05:45:41 PM

Quote from: ISAWHIM on February 12, 2014, 04:12:36 PM

The breakers were installed in the existing breaker-box, the wires were run in conduit, by an electrician friend. (outside the walls) The outlets, that tie to the raw lines, were done by me. Anything at the "outlet-box", is allowed to be done by the home-owner, here in Florida. The rest, for insurance purposes, had to be done and also inspected by a certified electrician.

Only cost about $350 for everything to be done. Friends work for beer.

(As for the bet above... change that to peak, and not average, and it would be a reasonable bet. But not one I would be willing to submit to, as "shit happens". Since "out of the box", is also not specified, and "optimization" isn't specified.. I would take you up on that offer, if you allowed it to be "judged" after a suitable "optimization period". Also, once AMT says how many chips will be in my unit. Without that, it is a blind bet. You have a contradiction too... you say "hit 1.2THs", then say "average 1.2THs"... that is a big contradiction... "Hit 200MPH", and "Stay running at 200MPH average", is not the same. Do you even lift bro?)

Also note: I think I am getting screwed by the power company though... we put all lines on one half/leg of the power... So it seems like I am drawing twice the amps at the meter. If you do setup new breakers, have them balance them to the two separate legs. If you draw 100a on one leg, the meter here seems to see 200a because it seems to measure the greatest draw across both legs, as amps, but charges for watts. It seems to assume if 100a is drawn on one, that 100a is also being drawn on the other. If I had that balanced, it would be 50a and 50a on each leg, and the meter would read 100a total, not 200a total. That is my next thing to fix. (That, or I need a PF-correction unit.) Electric meters are such horrible technology. (Again, this is what seems to be happening, when I measure the timing outside. It does not match my actual draw of the units. Measured directly. Chime-in if you know the solution to that one. That solution was told to me by the guy who installed the breakers. He didn't think it would be that dramatic of an offset.)

Yes, I had the power company come to reset the meter and "test it", they said it was working fine. Tongue

Sure... it only charges me double, it is supposed to do that! lol. So much for paying half price. (It isn't quite double, but it is more than measured draw.)

Balance your breakers. You should have two busses, and one neutral bus (usually physically two since it's also the ground, but they're tied together). Make sure you stagger the breakers so that if you have an even number, they are 1:1 on the two busses. Meters are actually fairly accurate, but they do count parasitic losses and unbalanced loads. The meter would have to be a much more complex and expensive device to do as you suggest, whereas balancing the load across the two busses is easy. Just make sure the main is off and/or you have high rated insulated gloves

Never heard of this for a residential application... however makes sense on a commercial application for sure.

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