Topic: Official Thread: AMT - page 317. (Read 678353 times)

I think it's strange that in their own official thread we haven't seen a peep out of them for 23 days and their official account hasn't been logged into for 15 days.

You're  telling me you're going to spend all that time and effort to launch a company and then just abandon all marketing/communications on the premier English speaking Bitcoin miners forum after only 11 days?

This doesn't make marketing or business sense. We miners use these forums to vet mfgs. all the time, and I know for a fact that 5-6 figure deals get made due to results of the feedback and research done on these forums.

Also: no answer as to whether any company owners/managers are willing to be vetted by John K. either.

My order # was 399. I'll be looking for a tracking number next week or I'll be inclined to submit a non-delivery claim. My order was placed on the 2nd of October and next week puts it at the 4 week mark. The 80,128 and 192 Gh units were all listed as shipping within 4 weeks.

Up until recently I've been on pins and needles just like anyone else who has laid out serious cash on a pre-order. With that said, I'm aware these units are based on Technobit solutions, and it just so happened that on October 8th, Marto from Technobit published a photos of the hex16b board partially populated, and just yesterday Marto posted photos of a fully populated hex-16b board up and hashing at 40GB.

If these boxes are using hex-16b's and the hex-16b's are up and running, I think it's very feasible for AMT to meet a shipping date very soon.

I still have one concern and that is the number of boards per box AMT listed as shipping in 4 weeks. the 80 Gh unit makes sense (2 Hex-16b's @ 40Gh), but the 128 and the 192 are a little fuzzier. 3 Hex-16b's makes sense for the 128, but the 192 doesn't make any sense 4*40=160. So I'm not sure if AMT intends to overclock the Hex16 boards or not. If they send them out overclocked I'll be a bit disappointed that there is no headroom left to play with  but i'll still be satisfied that i received what i ordered... Guess we'll see.

Just be sure to open a non-delivery issue with PayPal before the 45-day window closes and you have nothing to worry about.

Yes, I paid with Paypal... but I am still nervous as grasshopper in a chicken coop.

I hope you paid with a credit card.

I also ordered a unit. Order #414. If they come through I will let everyone know and post a picture of it with a report on how it performs. I am praying they are legit. I think they are but this entire thing is very stressful. If they come through and deliver on time I will order another unit. I ordered on October 2nd so it should be shipping in another week and a half. If anybody else who ordered one gets a unit let us know.

...and 2 weeks later...crickets...

Hullo? Where did you guys go?

I'm of the opinion that if you expect us to throw thousands of dollars worth of Bitcoin your way, you should be open and honest, so we know *exactly* who to blame if we need to involve the FTC, LE, BBB, etc., etc.. As buyers: we aren't the ones making extraordinary claims of price/performance/availability. Extraordinary claims should always be backed up with extraordinary evidence.

They expect people to give money to strangers on the internet for a company that doesn't even have chips yet. IMHO: Pre-order Buyers need to be met halfway if you want to overcome valid buyer distrust of new vendors.

You can have SSL, Paypal, and even CC payments available, but I will absolutely not commit our co-op to an at-cost GB without this information about key personnel. Guess who'll be left to deal with PO'd customers if things go south?

We GB Coordinators have to go through a vetting process ourselves in order to be trusted with handling people's IDs/BTC/ebay/PP funds. There's tons of failed GBs on the forum that failed because they weren't vetted (and/or the deal wasn't a good one in the first place). We're essentially resellers - in my case: at-cost or even below-cost sometimes.

However, since I'm vetted (by John K.): If I cheat or steal from buyers, I'll lose my freedom, go to jail, lose out on my kids childhoods, & lose my engineering job, so it's just not worth it to me to steal from others. That's the risks we willingly take to offer the deals that we offer.

Other resellers should have to face the same level of scrutiny and accountability that we do and also pass with flying colors.

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I have a potential compromise: How about the owner or CEO being vetted by John K. Escrow?

Now I'm not John but I have dealt with him a bit previously. Since he's a trusted Escrow Agent, I can say with confidence that John will *not* give up your personal info unless there's reason to believe laws were broken. I would consider trying to Group Buy a couple 1.2TH/s+ AMT miners if someone from AMT's leadership went thru the same vetting process I went thru.

I see both sides, quite well. That being said, I won't do business with a company without knowing who their principals are and how to contact them. This was why I was (and am) a supporter of KnC, and to a lesser extent (due to lack of proper diligence on my part, no actual prejudice), Cointerra. I'm a bit leary of HashFast, as they keep changing their claims. But even so, they state who they are and make it verifiable.

That being said, were I trying to get into the manufacturing/marketing side of this game, I'd be a bit afraid. There are some... marginal personalities on these fora. Granted, behind the anonymity of an internet handle you can be a bit over the top without repercussion. But still, one has to wonder how much of that pent up crazy might leak into the real world. With the kind of money changing hands here, I'd be very leery of going public, and if I did, part of the money generated would go into some serious personal security. Like an ex SAS bodyguard or the like.

I really hope these guys turn out to be legit. The fact that they are working with Marto certainly helps their reputation from my POV, but they need to have proper contact information. Hopefully they'll get there.

A person named Jim got back to me.

Seemed to be new to the industry, not knowing who Sonny from BFL was...or what the acronym "mfg" meant.

I mentioned to him that they may have already lost sales without knowing, by not listing the names/bios of company management.
I could not get this info from him and he suggested I open a Contact request form. Said he didn't blame them for not wanting to be harassed on LinkedIn.

I mentioned that serious players like HashFast, Cointerra, and Bitmine have no problems sharing this info as a means for potential buyers to vet company ownership/management. Can you blame a Coordinator, if I don't want our co-op to get into business with the "next Sonny"?

No biggie,Bitfury 55nm chips will be short lived with the diff explosion,unfortunately.

Too costly ATM & power consumption can't be matched with 28nm stuff 

So I waited for live chat.

Gave up, a person named Jim finally signed on.

Restated what I was looking for: company management info (who wants to deal with a Sonny from BFL-type fellow?)

Crickets...and gone without answering. Definitely did NOT have Jim's full attention. That shows poor Customer Service to (twice) ignore a serious customer trying to find out reasonable information.

Jim showed up, and while I didn't get all my questions answered, he was responsive and eager to try to help.

Anyone else think about people doing strange things in furry suits when they read that?

Nice MPP BTW. May have to consider this for a Group Buy or two.

SSL Certification = Great
CC & PayPal = Great
Pricing = Appears to be lowest available in time frame
Background info on company management = None that I found
Chat support = No response during the weekday; I wouldn't list that service on your site unless you can man it. Jim appeared a few minutes later.

Welcome to the home of some of the most leery (and previously burned) buyers in the world. I support American based manufacturing. I wish AMT well.

BitFURRYs huh?

gbar!

Any update on videos of working product? 
Has anyone ordered anything from AMT yet?

As long as you stay inside the 45 day window you'll be fine.

i was talking to them too.

they seem to be legitimate and nice.

I hope not to look back on this moment and have a "What was I thinking?" moment, but I'm in.

Order: #399
Product Quantity Price
AMT 192 GHs Bitcoin Miner (#AMT192)
1 $2,349
Cart Subtotal: $2,349
Shipping: $160 via Express Delivery (2 To 3 Business Days)

While I was perusing the site looking at different models, the "Can we help you?" chat window popped up and I had a good discussion with Jim. The conversation was enough to diminish some of my fear, and Paypal buyer protection gives me some other measure of hope, so I placed the order. It's a month turnaround but nearly double the hash rate of the Avalon clone I almost bought today via the TAV auction (I was outbid). I'll follow up with updates. Much more of my concerns will be alleviated if the video is up on Friday.

True Dat!

And it would be nice for an ASIC manufacturer that's legit to be on my side of the Atlantic. Even fairly close to where I'm trying to end up at, though that will be significantly after he's projecting delivery. And after the BFL fiasco, I think we "murricans can use some better rep!