Topic: [OLD] Eligius: ASIC, no registration, no fee CPPSRB BTC + 105% PPS NMC, 877 # - page 149. (Read 458499 times)

The first block after your balance hasn't increased for a week. In "extra credit" mode, balances might keep increasing even after you stop mining for a while, though.

Not that exceptional. We've had huge buffers before, and the equivalent in extra credit is just as likely. So long as we keep mining, it should even out eventually, so I'm personally not going to stop.

Still, this would mean we have hit very exceptional "hard times", is this the case? should I turn off this shit or not?

By the way, how long do you need to be idle before what's remaining on your address (including the namecoins) are paid out? I've taken some of my rigs offline lately due to the heat here and the balance around ~0.21 coins including 5.2~ NMC are still sitting there for almost a week.

Eligius is SMPPS: so long as it consistently has income to cover full PPS, it does so. When it runs out, it's similar to proportional (but still not vulnerable to hopping), but keeps track of work done (the pink "maximum reward") so it can overpay later when it catches up on blocks.

Eh well, definitely not a matter of chance. The whole graph has changed completely. It was steady for months, now it's not.

This particular machine I moved it to Eligius in February:

(tested different configurations, ramped up with 2 card)


Same machine in March (a couple reboots there):


And this is now (stopped it last night to see if it made any difference - didn't):

You're not finding any blocks <.<

My production has gone to shit lately while my hashing rates are the same. What's going on?

Payouts from the buffer are processed manually (for security, the funds are not "online"), but in the same way as generated payouts.

Are you sure?  Best I can tell, that is automatic and the quote I pulled from the FAQ specifically says manually.  Moreover, (also best I can tell), all numbers based on ~twmz are for generate transactions and I am operating on the assumption that buffer funds are previously generated and must be payed out (as opposed to being generated in the new Eligius blocks) even if the behavior were automatic.  It is certainly possible that I missed something glaringly obvious, but I don't think ~twmz has anything to do with the buffer, and the quote from Luke-Jr doesn't appear to indicate otherwise (assuming payout queue = automatic / generate queue).

The buffer is available at http://eligius.st/~twmz/ as described above. Atm it's 164 btc in the red.

Regardless of your already answered question, the FAQ also states this:So methinks we don't really know if the pools buffer is used up or not.

Right, nevermind, think I got it.

My question was coming mostly because looking at the stats pages even between several users I saw that each block had that given per-share value, so I was wondering how that could compensate users properly. Decided to actually compare other values and finally realized that the shown per-share value isn't the actual per-share value, so of course all sorts out.

Thanks all the same.

From http://eligius.st/wiki/index.php/Shared_Maximum_PPS :


Pay-Per-Share means any share is worth the same as any other. If the pool has enough credit to pay you at the end of a round, it does. If it doesn't have enough to pay PPS for all shares, the pool makes best effort to ensure all miners are eventually paid the same (PPS) amount per share submitted.

To my knowledge, every SMPPS share submitted to Eligius has been paid exactly PPS (with the exception of those on the waitlist which I'd expect to be paid PPS eventually, God-of-the-block willing).

Sorry, but don't quite follow your reasoning since in Eligius the share value clearly fluctuates and that's why you're credited .10 BTC for a long block as you may get .15 BTC for a quick block depending on the fact if the pool ran out of funds or not.

The 'per share value' is always B/D (reward / difficulty). The variable is the time it takes to get paid, not how much you get.

Given this recent bad luck streak, and thus looking at the graph and seeing the "Maximum reward" filled area, I can't help but to ask one question concerning this pool:

So, if the pool has no buffer funds it means that in case a given block takes a long time to solve then the value per share will drop in order to keep the total volume of shares multiplied by value to be more or less 50 BTC. Consequentially if the following block would be solved in little time then each share would have a greater value to make up for the reduced payment on the last block.

My question is though, does the pool track the individual effort of each user so that it rewards a particular user more until the value of his work is compensated?

i.e: Suppose there's a very long block which substantially brings down the per share value, then several quick blocks. The large block took about 20 hours to find, and a given user (Let's say he has 1500MH/s available, generates 1200 shares/hour or something) was mining for about 19 hours and 40 minutes of this block but then stopped - Let's say there was a power outage for the next few hours. He will of course receive the reduced share value multiplied by all of his work done so far, but what about afterwards? Given that the next few blocks are quick, everyone that keeps mining will receive much more value/share until the value of the shares of the long block is made up for, but what about the user that was made unable to mine during that period? Will he just lose the right to that compensation or the system adjusts the share value for him in the future?

We must be having a really bad luck. I didn't earn anything for the last 16 hours.

As far as I understand, this means that pool is out of luck. We mined less blocks than on average we would expect. (Recently there were two over 10h waits for a block.) The reward is credited at fixed payout per share, so we will have to wait till fortune turns around. When (and if) pool will mine more blocks than expected it will catch up. Since Eligius does pay 100% of mained bitcoins there is no "insurance" like in some pools that pay only 98%.

Could someone clarify what this maximum reward means? Looks like I didn't get any reward in last night?

The payout queue is ordered by how long people have been waiting, so if it took you a while to get to the threshold, you'll enter the queue on top.