Didn't notice that. He may just be copying Mitchel's thread, but did you get permission from theymos to advertise there as you need to get the go-ahead from an admin to do that and it's rarely granted?
I have sent theymos a PM,let's see.
Three bitcoins is over $20,000. You can't see why someone would just keep that for themselves? There have been campaign managers and escrows that have or have tried to scam for much less. There are several users on the list who I have no reason to trust with such an amount, but that again is why the most held at once is a much better indicator here.
Agreed. I'll be sending a PM to all the managers and will update it once I start getting responses.
Mentioning amounts in dollars just doesn't sound right on a Bitcoin forum. May I suggest using
an image, where you set the amount in dollars, and it shows Bitcoins. Example: $1000=
.
The down side is that it gives weird looking amounts, but it's updated on each reload.
My 5 Bitcoin total was an estimate summing up my portfolio. I can't get an exact amount of how much I've held at once either, as several funds (0.1, 0.65 and 1.25) were overlapping. I think a concervative estimage would be 1.5
BTC in December 2016, worth around $1350 back then. Looking further on my portfolio, to my surprise 0.28518 Bitcoin escrowed in November 2017 was worth more ($2012.89) when I received it, and is currently worth
. Full disclosure: I'm still holding
funds for something else than a campaign.
The maximum number of participants probably needs clarification too, it now ranges from 20 to 4k+. I assume 20 is for signature campaigns and 4k+ for social media.
I actually think dollars would be better. I'll probably mention like, "Maximum amount of bitcoins held at one time:
100,000$ worth of BTC".
The number of participants,is not that big of a deal,I expect people to hire like maximum 200 participants per campaign. Beyond that,it will be way too crazy for the company itself, and for the manager,it'd become really hard. And they would also need to shell out a shitload of money for that. I don't think anyone would do that,they would rather hire 20 people and make it a long term campaign,but I may be wrong. There are some crazy people out there.
Thread looks great and if I am a company looking for advertisement I would use almost any member on this list and feel safe.
The only problem I have with the list is the "Amount Escrowed" column. As stated when I was asked to give you my info, alot of managers pay campaigns themselves. They're not really escrows. Maybe rename the column "Amount of bitcoin held at 1 time"?
The number of 100-200 bitcoin is correct for me as far as bitcoin paid out to users, but incorrect as far as amount held at 1 time. 30-35 bitcoin would be the correct amount I held at 1 time and that number is due to me managing multiple campaigns at once. I would have to go back and look at the bitcoin price at those times to see what the USD amount would be but not going to do so unless requested.
Anyways great job with the thread and to any company looking for a manager, this is a great list to find 1 on.
The maximum number of participants probably needs clarification too, it now ranges from 20 to 4k+. I assume 20 is for signature campaigns and 4k+ for social media.
I suspect the same thing as well. Irfan runs alot of stuff through his bounty portals and most likely that's a social media total. My biggest signature campaign was 200 members at 1 time but I could handle any amount which is why I used unlimited as my answer.
Thank you for your kind words. I will be changing the "Amount Escrowed" column in some time.
Nice to see that the usual cartel members are present here as always. now we know why people want to get into DT list, they want the trust. therefore they are farming trust.
Note that receiving positive trust from DT members after making some deals with them is equal to trust farming. their ratings are visible by default.
Note again that I think 1 person shouldn't manage an unlimited number of participants unless they are superman.
I was wondering where you disappeared. Only one cartel member(actmyname) and the Don is there on the list though. Uh-oh. actmyname=marboroza=suchmoon==Don Hilary?
Note that receiving positive trust from DT members after making some deals with them is equal to trust farming. their ratings are visible by default.
So you're saying the whole point of trust-system is useless? Receiving positive trust==trust farming? And receiving negative trust==abuse? Damn you're a retard. Are you still pissed that I didn't add you?
Again,don't take it personally. It is only because you have no experience at all in managing campaigns.
I would suggest removing the amount escrowed all together.
IMO, most people who represent how much they have escrowed do so in a misleading way, one way or another.
The value of coins varies so much that it is difficult to measure the value of a trade if the coins were held for even a week or so, which is not unusual. As h&c mentioned, holding 1 bitcoin 100 times is very different than holding 100 btc once, and holding one btc two years ago is different than holding a coin today.
Also, holding tokens on behalf of the issuer is borderline dishonest that there is even escrow because it would be trivial for the issuer to effectively void the specific tokens.
I am changing that entire column.
This is a Bitcoin forum, not a fiat forum. If someone is being mislead by prices being given in Bitcoin, or feels mislead by it, should not call himself a bitcoin enthusiast and either educate himself so that he no longer feels mislead, or look for another hobby.
Saying that paying 100 Bitcoin at any point in time isn't an accurate representation is like saying that stealing 100 in 2016 is not a smaller crime than stealing the same amount in 2017. If you hold a certain number of bitcoins, you hold a certain number of bitcoins.
Yet we have an alternative crypto-currency board/s(local boards have it too). Everyone compares bitcoin in terms of dollars,its nothing new. And it would be better in dollars because people who are new to this stuff may misunderstand because 10
BTC a few years ago was worth like 5,000$ and now it is worth 75,000$.
Great job, pugman. But I think that you forgot to add some managers like Sylon and jamalaezaz. Ok, I'm just kidding. Good that you listed only most professional and most trusted signature managers and you didn't added some random bounty managers. I think soon you may get messages "Why I'm not on your list?"
And I didn't knew that OgNasty is also sig. campaign manager. I thought that he is only escrow agent.
Thank you for your kind words. If managers haven't been added on the list,they know exactly why and I don't need to make it more clearer to them,although
I already did. Even I didn't know much about OgNasty managing campaigns but I have come to know about it since a couple of days ago.
Edit: I forgot to ask,user
shahzadafzal sent me a Pm to make this thread look much clearer, I don't know if I like it or not,so I want the community's opinion
.
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Great job, pugman. But I think that you forgot to add some managers like Sylon and jamalaezaz. Ok, I'm just kidding. Good that you listed only most professional and most trusted signature managers and you didn't added some random bounty managers. I think soon you may get messages "Why I'm not on your list?" And I didn't knew that OgNasty is also sig. campaign manager. I thought that he is only escrow agent.
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This is a Bitcoin forum, not a fiat forum. If someone is being mislead by prices being given in Bitcoin, or feels mislead by it, should not call himself a bitcoin enthusiast and either educate himself so that he no longer feels mislead, or look for another hobby.
What you said is true and it was already said by the people you quoted hundreds of time, so don't think that they aren't aware of this. You didn't pay attention about the main reason why this topic was created. In fact theymos called for it essentially for external investors who don't have forum accounts and who may deal with other coins in addition to BTC, that's why an email was added for example.
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I think listing figures like hundreds of bitcoins could easily mislead or confuse people. Probably should be listed in fiat as well for the reasons I mentioned before. Mentioning amounts in dollars just doesn't sound right on a Bitcoin forum. May I suggest using an image, where you set the amount in dollars, and it shows Bitcoins. Example: $1000= . The down side is that it gives weird looking amounts, but it's updated on each reload. But that isn't an accurate representation either especially if you never held that amount in bitcoin. Not everything has to be denominated in bitcoin either, especially when the value fluctuates so much and that's why a fiat value gives a much better and accurate representation and why it should be represented here. If you held £10k in bitcoins then it's the £10k that is the pertinent figure and that's what others should be judging you on. This is a Bitcoin forum, not a fiat forum. If someone is being mislead by prices being given in Bitcoin, or feels mislead by it, should not call himself a bitcoin enthusiast and either educate himself so that he no longer feels mislead, or look for another hobby. Saying that paying 100 Bitcoin at any point in time isn't an accurate representation is like saying that stealing 100 in 2016 is not a smaller crime than stealing the same amount in 2017. If you hold a certain number of bitcoins, you hold a certain number of bitcoins.
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I would suggest removing the amount escrowed all together.
IMO, most people who represent how much they have escrowed do so in a misleading way, one way or another.
The value of coins varies so much that it is difficult to measure the value of a trade if the coins were held for even a week or so, which is not unusual. As h&c mentioned, holding 1 bitcoin 100 times is very different than holding 100 btc once, and holding one btc two years ago is different than holding a coin today.
Also, holding tokens on behalf of the issuer is borderline dishonest that there is even escrow because it would be trivial for the issuer to effectively void the specific tokens.
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Nice to see that the usual cartel members are present here as always. now we know why people want to get into DT list, they want the trust. therefore they are farming trust.
Note that receiving positive trust from DT members after making some deals with them is equal to trust farming. their ratings are visible by default.
Note again that I think 1 person shouldn't manage an unlimited number of participants unless they are superman.
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Thread looks great and if I am a company looking for advertisement I would use almost any member on this list and feel safe. The only problem I have with the list is the "Amount Escrowed" column. As stated when I was asked to give you my info, alot of managers pay campaigns themselves. They're not really escrows. Maybe rename the column "Amount of bitcoin held at 1 time"? The number of 100-200 bitcoin is correct for me as far as bitcoin paid out to users, but incorrect as far as amount held at 1 time. 30-35 bitcoin would be the correct amount I held at 1 time and that number is due to me managing multiple campaigns at once. I would have to go back and look at the bitcoin price at those times to see what the USD amount would be but not going to do so unless requested. Anyways great job with the thread and to any company looking for a manager, this is a great list to find 1 on.
The maximum number of participants probably needs clarification too, it now ranges from 20 to 4k+. I assume 20 is for signature campaigns and 4k+ for social media.
I suspect the same thing as well. Irfan runs alot of stuff through his bounty portals and most likely that's a social media total. My biggest signature campaign was 200 members at 1 time but I could handle any amount which is why I used unlimited as my answer.
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I think listing figures like hundreds of bitcoins could easily mislead or confuse people. Probably should be listed in fiat as well for the reasons I mentioned before. Mentioning amounts in dollars just doesn't sound right on a Bitcoin forum. May I suggest using an image, where you set the amount in dollars, and it shows Bitcoins. Example: $1000= . The down side is that it gives weird looking amounts, but it's updated on each reload. But that isn't an accurate representation either especially if you never held that amount in bitcoin. Not everything has to be denominated in bitcoin either, especially when the value fluctuates so much and that's why a fiat value gives a much better and accurate representation and why it should be represented here. If you held £10k in bitcoins then it's the £10k that is the pertinent figure and that's what others should be judging you on.
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I think listing figures like hundreds of bitcoins could easily mislead or confuse people. Probably should be listed in fiat as well for the reasons I mentioned before. Mentioning amounts in dollars just doesn't sound right on a Bitcoin forum. May I suggest using an image, where you set the amount in dollars, and it shows Bitcoins. Example: $1000= . The down side is that it gives weird looking amounts, but it's updated on each reload. My 5 Bitcoin total was an estimate summing up my portfolio. I can't get an exact amount of how much I've held at once either, as several funds (0.1, 0.65 and 1.25) were overlapping. I think a concervative estimage would be 1.5 BTC in December 2016, worth around $1350 back then. Looking further on my portfolio, to my surprise 0.28518 Bitcoin escrowed in November 2017 was worth more ($2012.89) when I received it, and is currently worth . Full disclosure: I'm still holding funds for something else than a campaign.
The maximum number of participants probably needs clarification too, it now ranges from 20 to 4k+. I assume 20 is for signature campaigns and 4k+ for social media.
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the most held at once is a much better indicator here.
This one. And it should be displayed with USD at the moment the amount was held by the manager. 100 BTC +4 years ago are less than 3 BTC nowadays.
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good work @pugman I guess the delay has paid off... finally you have well sorted list of campaign managers.
One question what is this Advertisement space for? Are you going to put your own advertisements here or will be from bitcointalk?
Because this is normal post page and default ad from bitcointalk, after first post will automatically be displayed.
Didn't notice that. He may just be copying Mitchel's thread, but did you get permission from theymos to advertise there as you need to get the go-ahead from an admin to do that and it's rarely granted? I don't think anybody in the list will risk all their reputation and run away with a few bitcoins. But still I'll make changes to that column, and add the highest amount escrowed at one time to the list.
Three bitcoins is over $20,000. You can't see why someone would just keep that for themselves? There have been campaign managers and escrows that have or have tried to scam for much less. There are several users on the list who I have no reason to trust with such an amount, but that again is why the most held at once is a much better indicator here.
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Not entirely accurate, off the top of my head I had to do a double round once and payments were delayed twice (?)
The participants were paid at the end of the day. The participants had no problems with the payments being delayed one day because they trust you. Thank you for being honest, I'll try to edit the post when I get back home.
How about including rank and/or sign-up date?
All the campaign managers are hero members at least. The list is already too big, I had to delete a column(the one stating about other campaigns being handled by managers) because the list became too wide.
In this case I think the highest value people have held at any one time is a better indicator. Somebody could quite easily hold on to many small amounts dozens of times until his total is 10 bitcoins or whatever then just disappear if anyone every gives him a large amount at once. I don't think anybody in the list will risk all their reputation and run away with a few bitcoins. But still I'll make changes to that column, and add the highest amount escrowed at one time to the list. You should probably remove the part including theymos (unless he's said otherwise). He may trust me to moderate the forum at a Global level but this doesn't necessarily mean he would vouch for me to hold onto large amounts of cash (or run signature campaigns - not that he doesn't or wouldn't but I feel unless he's specifically said this it shouldn't be here and may give me an unfair advantage).
Very well.
Props for this nicely-presented list, pugman. I honestly did not realize there were this many bitcoin-paying sig campaigns still in existence. I've had good experiences with Yahoo62278, Lutpin, and DarkStar_. All of them are honest and straighforward and run their campaigns quite well. I can't speak for the other managers, since I haven't participated in any of their campaigns, but I haven't heard any complaints about them--and that speaks volumes. Anyone who aspires to be a campaign manager would do well to try to emulate how these individuals operate. Haven't heard much about SMAS lately. Is that list still being updated? The number of spammers certainly hasn't decreased by any means. I think SMAS was one of the best proactive measures to come along in quite some time. Not entirely accurate, off the top of my head I had to do a double round once and payments were delayed twice (?)
Must not have been in months, because that hasn't happened since I've been a part of the Chipmixer campaign. Thank you for the kind words. Yes, SMAS is being updated, atleast by yahoo62278 and Lauda.
good work @pugman I guess the delay has paid off... finally you have well sorted list of campaign managers.
One question what is this Advertisement space for? Are you going to put your own advertisements here or will be from bitcointalk?
Because this is normal post page and default ad from bitcointalk, after first post will automatically be displayed.
The delay was because I was typing fast, I somehow deleted the entire page, luckily I had saved half of the page in word. So I had to retype again.  The advertisement is for anybody who wants to advertise their business. I expected that this thread might get a few more views than the normal threads of bitcointalk. Credit goes to Mitchell for that.
Yeah, it's just way too misleading as it is. Also, very hard to validate and I have absolutely no idea how much money I have held over my lifetime here (and I suspect the others don't and are more likely to be estimates). Anyone could just make a figure up if it's not validated, but it's fairly easy to confirm the total amount someone has held at once and I think that is a more telling figure as that's a figure they have previously been trusted to hold on to. I think listing figures like hundreds of bitcoins could easily mislead or confuse people. Probably should be listed in fiat as well for the reasons I mentioned before.
I understand how it could be misleading. I am sorry for causing the confusion here. What I meant was how much have the campaign managers paid out their pastime throughout their campaign management experience. I'll change that info in a few hours. I am currently not near my computer.
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You should probably clarify or confirm those escrowed amounts as well as some of them seem way off. Are they total amounts held over their lifetime or all at once?
I asked him to clarify and he responded that it's over their lifetime. I do think that maximum amount held at one point is a much better representation. Yeah, it's just way too misleading as it is. Also, very hard to validate and I have absolutely no idea how much money I have held over my lifetime here (and I suspect the others don't and are more likely to be estimates). Anyone could just make a figure up if it's not validated, but it's fairly easy to confirm the total amount someone has held at once and I think that is a more telling figure as that's a figure they have previously been trusted to hold on to. I think listing figures like hundreds of bitcoins could easily mislead or confuse people. Probably should be listed in fiat as well for the reasons I mentioned before.
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good work @pugman I guess the delay has paid off... finally you have well sorted list of campaign managers.
One question what is this Advertisement space for? Are you going to put your own advertisements here or will be from bitcointalk?
Because this is normal post page and default ad from bitcointalk, after first post will automatically be displayed.
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Props for this nicely-presented list, pugman. I honestly did not realize there were this many bitcoin-paying sig campaigns still in existence. I've had good experiences with Yahoo62278, Lutpin, and DarkStar_. All of them are honest and straighforward and run their campaigns quite well. I can't speak for the other managers, since I haven't participated in any of their campaigns, but I haven't heard any complaints about them--and that speaks volumes. Anyone who aspires to be a campaign manager would do well to try to emulate how these individuals operate. Haven't heard much about SMAS lately. Is that list still being updated? The number of spammers certainly hasn't decreased by any means. I think SMAS was one of the best proactive measures to come along in quite some time. Not entirely accurate, off the top of my head I had to do a double round once and payments were delayed twice (?)
Must not have been in months, because that hasn't happened since I've been a part of the Chipmixer campaign.
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