Topic: Palestine & israel? What do you think about that situation? - page 14. (Read 15030 times)

Oh, I wasn't being too serious about the "Palestine" vs. "israel" thing. Don't worry. I'm not Mossad. If the OP just randomly capitalized one and not the other, then it's no big deal. If he purposefully did it, then -- yes -- he's a Nazi and should die in a fire.

I say "die in a fire" with a purpose. Near the end of WW2 the Allies fire bombed Dresden. Many modern Neo-Nazis use this as evidence that the Allies were just as bad as the Nazis. My only problem with the fire bombing of Dresden is not enough fucking Nazis died in a fire, but hey, maybe I'm in a minority on that here. I'm sure the Nazis on this thread can give a different perspective.

I'm not sure "arrogance" is what will lead to the destruction of Israel. I think it's more likely to be Jihadis with nuclear weapons funded by Westerners who have a problem with Jews. Maybe it's a language issue and that's how you define "arrogance."

About whether or not the Jews in Israel would be mourned by very few people in the world if that happened, I expect you're right about that. The culture has been priming them to celebrate this possibility for decades. Even that piece of shit Obama said something like that some time ago...like it'll be Israel's own fault if they get nuked because they would just never give those poor Palestinians what they wanted (all the Jews dead) and so everyone turned on them and as a result...all the Jews are dead.

We are living in a time when Jews are being slaughtered in Europe -- on a small scale for now, but the signs are clear. Swastikas are showing up in descrated Jewish graveyards. After the Jews were ("randomly" to quote that goddamn Nazi Obama) in Paris, a Jewish woman living in Paris wrote that her neighbors had asked her to please remove any sign she was Jewish, to avoid trouble in the building.

If .., when all this is going on ... when we are living in a time very similar to the 1930s ... if now you are someone who is spending more time focusing on Israel's actions than the the violence and hatred directed at Jews, if you are one of these people, then yes: you are a Nazi. And I hope you die in a fire. Clutching your children while crying to your g*d for mercy. And none is shown.

If you misspell Israel, then you automatically become a Nazi? Are you from the Mossad?

Israel is nothing special. Israel is just a normal country like all others. Don't be too arrogant. Arrogance will ultimately lead to the destruction of Israel and very few people in the world would even mourn them.

Hey, I just noticed the OP capitalized "Palestine" but not "israel." Bitcoiners are such fucking nazis.

Palestinians have been using violence for decades, and support for them has only grown. They've made mistakes at times by killing an occasional non-Jew, but the more Jews the kill, the more the rest of the world loves them and sends them money.

People love dead Jews.

Well, reasonable people don't like having rockets fall on their kids. That's why Israel keeps needing to respond to people firing rockets at them.

Palestinians seem to love it when rockets fall on their kids. Maybe that's why they always keep their rockets and their kids in the same places. School and hospitals ftw.

There is no historical evidence that the arabs there respond to concessions with anything but hatred and violence. If palestine becomes a recognized state, they'll do the same thing they're doing now. Fire rockets into Israel and have plays in which preschoolers pretend to behead Jews while chanting Islamic slogans.

Hamas receives funding from rich Arab businessman and sympathizers in the larger Muslim world. But they misuse these funds by firing rockets to Israeli villages, rather than using it to feed the starving Palestinian children.

I agree. I only think living on land that is in a rightless status because its not a state and many international rulings dont apply then. I mean if you have a house with a garden, you life there all along and your neighbour takes his fence again and again a bit more in your garden then its a really displeasing feeling. Only because he has a regular status and you dont because you arent accepted by others. Unjustice. I can understand that one stands up against this, even though i have no understanding for violence.

I think Palestinians who go the violence route are really stupid. They will never win that way. Thats a fact. But they will lose. They lose the support of the world with it. But they win support when they show they are the poor victims, if true in that case. Without violence. Because people with empathy can feel unjustice too.

Unfortunately Hamas is more of a organized crime organization. They earn money with what they are doing. Similar to ISIS. There are enough stupid persons who donate to those guys because they think its the right thing to do.

Thinking about that brings no good result. Some problems in the world maybe dont have a solution that can be seen yet.

Regarding dissolve Palestine to make it a whole israel... i wonder if palestines feel like native americans felt when they hear such suggestion.

^^^^ For the past 10-15 years, the Muslim birth rate has been declining sharply in Israel, and the Jewish birth rate have been surging upward. Right now, the difference between the two is insignificant.

They are doing it already.


Muslims are also integrating into other societies.

In the current situation the only chance for palestinians if they can manage to integrate into Israel and give birth to children on a much faster rate than the jewish population. (What is actually happening as far as I know.)

At the end there are some people that want the "peace" and other that want the "war and the continue of the conflict". I think if they want to resolve all this situation the can do it in less than 1 week. The problem here is that no one has respected this division:

I was in Palestine and Israel a couple of months ago. It did not look so complicated. Two things people don't like:
1. Having their land stolen out from under them.
2. Having rockets fall on their kids.

Even if Palestine is declared as a separate state, comprising of the West Bank and Gaza Strip, the conflict will not end. There are a lot of other issues, such as the return of Arab refugees of 1948, and the status of Jewish settlements inside West Bank.

I have a hunch US is involved in this especially because of UN's "mum"?

I think the biggest problem is that palestine is not a real state now. Change this and it would not be allowed anymore what israel is doing.

Unfortunately im not sure that it would end well because the hate in palestine is too big. But stopping the ongoing feelings of injustice, coming from such deeds, is crucial to not create more and more fighters.

Check also this site: http://www.vox.com/cards/israel-palestine/intro

<< What are Israel and Palestine? Why are they fighting?

Israel is the world's only Jewish state, located just east of the Mediterranean Sea. Palestinians, the Arab population that hails from the land Israel now controls, refer to the territory as Palestine, and want to establish a state by that name on all or part of the same land. The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is over who gets what land and how it's controlled. >>

interesting topic. btw, i am just adding my two cents. so not offending anyone. One of my best friends is jewish, but also doesn't like whats happening in the world. I always say, this has nothing to do with religion. It s pure poltics (the worst whore as she ficks with just everyone), and politics/politicians are just a method for controlling the society, economy and military by very rich and powerful/influential families/persons. Again this is just my point of view. NO OFFENSE.

isr. didn't exist thats true. And the worst thing (if you check "recent" progress in middle east), look at the golan heights, which are also aneccted by israel, and now (2010) officially "sold" under license agreement from ISR to J. Rothsch.. and Rupert Murd... company Genie Energy (check wikipedia, google and co.)... So as Isr. wasn't allowed to produce oil/gas from the (illegaly annected) golan heights, which OFFICIALLY belong(ed) to Syria (Bashar al Assad), they just sold the "rights for producing gas/oil" to the that "company" in 2010. (they were really clever in financial trading, for example they once (in the 19th century) held +50% of ALL existing shares in london..) Ahh, did i mention: ISR was only able to do this (anect palest. & golan h.) initially "because" of UK.. I just think the whole thing is very fishy, maybe as fishy as the accidentially gun-deliveries to ISIS by us airplanes (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2803410/Turkish-president-says-American-weapons-drop-Kurdish-fighters-wrong-supplies-end-hands-ISIS-fighters.html). anyway, i think we will face a (short and fast) WW3 very soon.. i think its already happening behind the scences.. soon they ll press the red button and and a lot of civilians will be dead...

Ah, but you see? You and I might agree we are all world citizens, but we have a different viewpoint. We may identify as humans first, the same as all others. Tribal identity clouds this. People who identify with a tribe create barriers to differentiate themselves with other people. "American" "British" "Russian" "Israeli" "Palestinian" "Arab" "Jew" "Christian" "Muslim"... all of these are classifications someone might identify with first, to differentiate themselves from anyone who is not part of their tribe. Tribal identity allows people to commit terrible acts, because you're not harming people like YOU, they're different or inferior, or any other mental gymnastics you have to do to justify terrible treatment to fellow human beings.

And speaking as an outsider, I can't understand the animosity and centuries worth of tensions that run between these two groups. It's different for me to look at this conflict and say "it looks stupid and why don't they all just stop killing." That's my stance, but it comes from being on the outside.