Topic: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W (Read 22082 times)

I did not see the hosting angle. I will look into it. The catch with hosting in MY experience is USUALLY (not in this case) the shipping of the unit. (unless they have it off-site and it applies to their hosting equipment too) or the setup costs $50 to $75 per unit, from when I looked a year or so ago. But hey, it is something.

Yeah, HODL and MINING are different. HODL the only risk is BTC goes down. Mining the risk is BTC price goes down along with the investment in the miner (less the 25% in USA taken away from gross income angle by the IRS) and the 'bet' that you can, eventually, mine more BTC than you can get out of the purchase/electric/etc from the miner.

Toss in the 25% Tariff to the USA and the 2.6% import tax and shipping. Indeed, mining is a complete non-starter with that dumb USA tariff action.

But I will look at the hosting angle you mention, I initially missed that.

Brad

HODLING and mining two separate things. Anyone can HODL. Also the HODL seems like the best bet right now due to everyone coming out with next gen stuff which is just going to make difficulty skyrocket.

Did you see a pangolinminers website you can buy a m20s and you can pay them to host it at like 6cent a kw/h and mine at your pool. That is something that catches my eye since I did order one shipped to me but if I could have them host it there is no tariff. But I do like the whole set up my own machines and visiting the mine. I am curious if the m20s are going to have the issues the other ones had.

The blinking LED's get me too. I use to love walking into my basement which was illuminated from green ethernet ports and blinking red leds when I closed the window like an idiot.

I've looked at Canada, by the time you do fees and shipping and $50 per machine setup costs, etc, etc. It just does not seem to pay. If I can't make it with my buddies data hall at 10.5c kWh, then I probably should just be hodl'ing Bitcoin and Crypto anyway.

The Whatsminer is very tempting, and about the time I decide it does make sense, they will be sold out. That is how it usually works. But I'm just not feeling it (yet?) this go around.

We have mt.gox dumping coins yet, we have Bitmain pumping up BTC difficulty with its partnership with free hydroelectric split (they provide the hardware the utility provides the excess hydroelectric that otherwise would be wasted. (China has a lot of rain this year). So it is a win/win for them, but hell BTC difficulty could be clobbered.

So, selling crap I don't need on eBay and putting it into BTC/Crypto and HODL'ing seems the most prudent now.

I do have ONE Bitmain S9i going up at 10.5c kWh. (underclocking) 11.5 TH at 950 watts is the goal and an Avalon 821 that steamtyme sent me for 'shelf-art' a few months back on the glory days of like 4-5k BTC..that can make a bit now. For postage Only. So that seems to be revived.

But getting a Whatsminer, WITH THE 25% Tariff to the USA still being in play, plus 2.6% import fee and plus shipping...well, hell...that is a road too far at this point to me.

The whatminer units are pretty, if fickle (bridge issues) I'll give you that.

But hell, I may crack like a nut with my ASIC addiction 2 weeks from now (ASIC addiction is how I roll) I'm a sucker for the whirly fan noises and blinking LED's.

So I will lurk here some yet, we will see.

Brad

@Searing if you are looking to move them out of state I got a buddy with a pretty big mine in upstate NY that would probably take a few more customers and the rate is better than what you got. But hey at least your not like Connecticut I can pay 10-12c but then pay 12cent just for the delivery charge making it 24cents. That is also a pretty good deal.

Jeez, with that kinda luck, I would have ordered Ten or more. (I am paranoid). But in Minnesota with my soon to be summer rates of probably close to 17c kWh. (I can't believe it is that bad, I just can't believe it). I am selling crap on eBay I likely would otherwise have died with for BTC. Hell, at these prices I'm motivated. Sigh. Attic Minning on eBay, how far I have fallen from my hardcore ASIC addiction. Miss my home miners in the basement. 'Mass quantities at one time in my basement'. Alas!

Have a buddy with a data hall at around 10 1/2c a kWh? So tempting, very tempting, but likely I'll wait. So will continue to lurk on the thread here.

good news is my controller was fine and not corrupted.

fucking connector bridge died when the fans both failed.

Sao scorecard on this gear is now

all 8 work

23 of 24 boards work.

3 of these connector bridges have died.  I suspect 4 died as the unit with 2 good board may simply have a bad connector bridge.

also 2 fans died.

so 8 units

3 bad bridges - certain and verified
2 bad fans to be fair this was the oldest unit sept 2018-certain and verified

with I have 1 dead board or 1 dead bridge or 1 bad psu on the unit running 2 boards.

while this sounds not so good. if it is a connector bridge it is cheap

since connector bridges appear to die easily I ordered 3 more. I ordered 2 sets of fans.

I advise anyone that has these to consider making an order for 2 connector bridges and 1 set of fans.  cost is 20+45+30 = 95

based on my eight units and other owners both the connector bridges and the fans seem to fail

if you know what you are doing you can get around the fans, but the connector bridges make you dead in the water.

nice to see I have the 64th back up and running.

with a lot of spare parts as I think the connector bridges will keep failing.

Finally swapped my bridge out last night/this morning. Little guy had a nightmare and ended my session  
So I buttoned it up this morning and it fired up. It did look promising but I only got to monitor it for about 20 minuted before work. Hopefully I'll gt home tonight and all 3 boards will appear warm. I'll also update to that firmware you posted earlier Phil - If it's one I have at home... forgot to check.


Cross posting this for reply  - I completely agree, I was shocked when I opened this up last night the dust bunnies were real, just at the intake side. Definitely a little more work to clean but overall one of the easier machines to work on. Apart from disconnecting the exhaust side fan, that hurt the fingertips.

I used your links and worked on microbt site.

I think I have enough info to do it.

Need to put aside ¾ hours to look it over and give it a shot.

Phil, did you follow my links? The PDFs are in English and I *think* have what you need.

yeah  I have a good image downloaded from microbt.
I have  a new un loaded controller no image on it.

https://pangolinminer.com/product/miner-control-board-m10-m10s-d1/

I can only find  chinese sd info on how to load the sd card to the control-board

I was up in clifton  nj

I cleaned  36 pieces of gear.

all 8 m10's

the scorecard on them is

6 perfect
1 with a troubled connector bridge
1 with failed fans that I replaced but the mining os is corrupted I can replace the controller with the part I gave. or I can flash the old controller

in either case  I need english on using an sd card to boot.

https://www.microbt.com/?locale=en

https://www.microbt.com/server/manual.html

Phil, have you checked out MicroBT's support section? They list quite a bit of info https://www.microbt.com/server/firmware.html Although the site (for me anyway) is dog slow.

EDIT: I just realized you said all the instructions are in Chinese, is that where you got them?

Also found this on the Pango support site. The PDF is in English. https://pangolinminer.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/360016797934-Whatsminer-M10-User-Guides-Solutions

need help with a second m10 as both fans died unit shut down due to heat.

It seems the image is corrupted on the   controller.

And I am struggling to flash a  new imgae to the controller.  As all instructions are in Chinese.

Does anyone have any links on a how to flash with an sd card.


note I can get firmware  done.  but firmware is not the same as the image.

Oh nice. I'll have to give it a try I have a bunch of them on a PC at home, that might be one. If I have it I'll update it after the bridge swap out.

Do you know how to put in the lastest firmware?  My p11's  work better with this firmware

"Firmware Version   20190601.18.1"

Hostname   M10.HB11.H6-CB10.P11-Z6MA...........094-1

it detects that the psu is a p11

Good idea grabbing a couple they are definitely the weak point on the machines so far. I'm sure you'll hear from someone down the road hoping you still have a spare kicking around I'll be able to tell this weekend if that's what my issue is. I'll be busy setting everything up to add in the M20s now that I know it's coming. I also have the Pic of the P11 PSU they sent me for replacement. I thought I had one of the P10 for comparison but I guess not.

I grabbed five just now. So I should have enough for me. Plus some for miners here.

Shipping for five was 24 shipping for two was twenty.

So I went for five.

I now have
2 spare psu’s
1 spare controller
5 miner connectors.

Since the m10s are 1/3 of my hash I want to keep them alive as long as I can.

8 m10s.  240th
2 m20s’s 138th
1 s17pro.  53th
1 t17.       40th
1 s15.       28th
1 t15.        23th
2 a1041.    56th
1 a921.      18th
2 a721.      13th
1 t2t24.      19th
1 t3t39.       39th
22 s9.        220th
5 s7ln.         12th

Adds to 889 th it is not all online. Should be soon

Damn that sucks Phil. I'm pretty sure the one I have is needed but I won't know until this weekend when I finally get a round to swapping it out; I'm running on fumes this week. In the meantime I believe they have missed another ship date, if so I could buy one or 2 and have them ship it with the M20s. Save you a few bucks anyways.

So who has an extra bridge?

This one fucking m10 is a ball buster.

I have been playing with it now and I am thinking of getting a second bridge.

Hate to order it from China a second time.

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Well it wasn't the PSU, glad I go the bridge board to go with it. I'll be a few days before I have the time to get it sorted and changed out. Few things that were different they sent me a P11 PSU not the original P10, still compatible. Also I now have 2 Power xfer warnings on the M10, they don't cause issues it's just a warning from what I can tell. Other than that same boards with cooler temps and lower hashrates, and same power draw as before. I will have to remember to ask them in telegram what those warnings mean, as far as potential issues; maybe get a list of all warnings and what to do. Nothing to interesting but I'll get a few pics up soon.

Well that was fun.... Finally got around to changing pool #3 from Kano's de node to the Oregon one on the 3 M10 miners at home. Of course that meant restarting them and -- miner #2 did not want to fire up. Constantly reported 0 chips on slot-1 (they go from 0 to 2) which oddly enough is physically the board  on the left side and not the center board...

Looking into the air inlet end of the miner and going by the green LED's, the boards would fire up: middle on then off, right on then off, then both middle and right on and stay on - so far so good -- then the left board would come on for less than a second and take the other 2 down. Endlessly repeat.....

Fearing the dreaded bridge board problem I unplugged it, removed the 2 screws that hold the board in place for shipping (is a snug fit even w/o the screws) and reseated the board: Success! It lives again!

Bloody hell I hate it when a board that probably cost 50-cents to make takes down a whole machine...