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Topic: Particl•PART|Confidential Transactions|Atomic Swaps|Cold Staking|P2P Marketplace - page 22. (Read 85759 times)

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Second marketplace preview focused on the buyer's perspective: https://i.imgur.com/jKGPiDd.mp4

It is absolutely gorgeous!  Cool
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Just in case anyone missed it, this is the latest market demo - Click here if it doesn't load below automatically https://i.imgur.com/0ocoTmU.gif

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5 Of The Most Undervalued Privacy Coins

In a bear market it may seem strange to some to go hunting for alts to buy while everyone’s panic selling. I would argue that this is actually a very good time to go shopping around. There’s many coins at lows we may not see again when the market turns bullish.

No-one knows for sure whether or not the bleeding’s stopped, but as BTC has returned to the price it was before the crazy winter ’17 pump, it’s likely that many inexperienced investors (who’ve gotten cold-feet from recent, high-profile and calculated FUD) have now been shaken out and we’ll see a recovery soon. Cryptos are not going anywhere. Though the media, banks and governments would like them to disappear; the genie is out of the bottle now.

In this blog I’ll concentrate specifically on Privacy coins.

https://medium.com/@ainsleyh/5-of-the-most-undervalued-privacy-coins-f3030ec146ad

Verge's Wraith Protocol is basically a bad copy of Shadowcash's privacy setup, sorry if it sounds like hating but hear me out!

Shadowcash setup was using ring signatures + stealth addresses as early as 2014 (I hear even as early as late 2013 but that I am not 100% sure). What Wraith Protocol proposes is only stealth addresses (which by the way only hides tx participants, not the amounts transferred), then they claim that they are "fathering" the privacy-as-an-option niche of cryptocurrencies (as in...it's never been done before). That is clearly a lie and willingly misleading: Shadowcash, Monero, Dash, PIVX and many others already did this YEARS ago and much better.

Stealth addresses are literally not good enough to keep transactions private. They are not even considered blockchain analysis-safe anymore unless they are integrated on top of additional privacy protocols. What the Shadowcash team had was stealth addresses + ring signatures, but even that got old quickly, and is one of the major reason they moved from SDC to PART and decided to implement RingCT (Ring signatures + stealth addresses + CT) on top of the Bitcoin codebase.

So allow me to be very doubtful of anyone claiming Verge is a serious and innovative crypto currency when in reality they are really struggling to copy half of what was widely done years ago by many privacy projects. Verge is straight up insulting to privacy advocates and people that actually care about privacy being about privacy and not hype.

Just my 2 cents, quite glad to see Particl and PIVX up in your top 5 though Smiley

Cryptoguard, he didn't write the blog, I did. He just shared it (thanks).

I'm not sure if you're talking in general or me specifically when you say: "So allow me to be very doubtful of anyone claiming Verge is a serious and innovative crypto currency". I made no such claims, I even mentioned that people found the Wraith Protocol underwhelming. I don't have the same dislike of Verge as you do, but neither do I see it as revolutionary. I definitely think there's a place for it though and I'm interested to see where it goes.

The blog was simply for people wishing to buy altcoins during the crash to take advantage of the lows. It was right, shortly after posting every alt on the list increased quite a bit, two of them 40% or more. So it fulfilled this purpose. In hindsight it's easy to say this was obvious that these 5 coins would recover strong, but it wasn't so obvious to people panicking and predicting the end of crypto during this latest crash.

It was simply to give people a brief on the coins and what the current lows were vs. recent prices. It wasn't a commentary on which coin is better than the others.

Actually, I'd list as favourites for long-term as:

1) Phore
2) Particl
3) PivX



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25 Part just for follow, retweet, and like? Great deal!
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Time for a contest folks! 25 PARTs up for grabs  Cool

Follow us on Twitter then LIKE & RT this tweet: https://twitter.com/ParticlProject/status/961016940679581701

We will pick a winner during our next livestream on Friday starting at 17:00 UTC!

Marketplace sneak peek: https://i.imgur.com/0ocoTmU.gif


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5 Of The Most Undervalued Privacy Coins

In a bear market it may seem strange to some to go hunting for alts to buy while everyone’s panic selling. I would argue that this is actually a very good time to go shopping around. There’s many coins at lows we may not see again when the market turns bullish.

No-one knows for sure whether or not the bleeding’s stopped, but as BTC has returned to the price it was before the crazy winter ’17 pump, it’s likely that many inexperienced investors (who’ve gotten cold-feet from recent, high-profile and calculated FUD) have now been shaken out and we’ll see a recovery soon. Cryptos are not going anywhere. Though the media, banks and governments would like them to disappear; the genie is out of the bottle now.

In this blog I’ll concentrate specifically on Privacy coins.

https://medium.com/@ainsleyh/5-of-the-most-undervalued-privacy-coins-f3030ec146ad

Verge's Wraith Protocol is basically a bad copy of Shadowcash's privacy setup, sorry if it sounds like hating but hear me out!

Shadowcash setup was using ring signatures + stealth addresses as early as 2014 (I hear even as early as late 2013 but that I am not 100% sure). What Wraith Protocol proposes is only stealth addresses (which by the way only hides tx participants, not the amounts transferred), then they claim that they are "fathering" the privacy-as-an-option niche of cryptocurrencies (as in...it's never been done before). That is clearly a lie and willingly misleading: Shadowcash, Monero, Dash, PIVX and many others already did this YEARS ago and much better.

Stealth addresses are literally not good enough to keep transactions private. They are not even considered blockchain analysis-safe anymore unless they are integrated on top of additional privacy protocols. What the Shadowcash team had was stealth addresses + ring signatures, but even that got old quickly, and is one of the major reason they moved from SDC to PART and decided to implement RingCT (Ring signatures + stealth addresses + CT) on top of the Bitcoin codebase.

So allow me to be very doubtful of anyone claiming Verge is a serious and innovative crypto currency when in reality they are really struggling to copy half of what was widely done years ago by many privacy projects. Verge is straight up insulting to privacy advocates and people that actually care about privacy being about privacy and not hype.

Just my 2 cents, quite glad to see Particl and PIVX up in your top 5 though Smiley
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5 Of The Most Undervalued Privacy Coins

In a bear market it may seem strange to some to go hunting for alts to buy while everyone’s panic selling. I would argue that this is actually a very good time to go shopping around. There’s many coins at lows we may not see again when the market turns bullish.

No-one knows for sure whether or not the bleeding’s stopped, but as BTC has returned to the price it was before the crazy winter ’17 pump, it’s likely that many inexperienced investors (who’ve gotten cold-feet from recent, high-profile and calculated FUD) have now been shaken out and we’ll see a recovery soon. Cryptos are not going anywhere. Though the media, banks and governments would like them to disappear; the genie is out of the bottle now.

In this blog I’ll concentrate specifically on Privacy coins.

https://medium.com/@ainsleyh/5-of-the-most-undervalued-privacy-coins-f3030ec146ad

All decent coins are undervalued at the moment just because they all follow BTC drop. You could put any coin in you article a be right lol.
I dont understand why you would put Verge as number 2. It just exploded thanks to agressive marketing and mass effect imo. I dont see what makes it so special...
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Particl team is innovative  Cool

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5 Of The Most Undervalued Privacy Coins

In a bear market it may seem strange to some to go hunting for alts to buy while everyone’s panic selling. I would argue that this is actually a very good time to go shopping around. There’s many coins at lows we may not see again when the market turns bullish.

No-one knows for sure whether or not the bleeding’s stopped, but as BTC has returned to the price it was before the crazy winter ’17 pump, it’s likely that many inexperienced investors (who’ve gotten cold-feet from recent, high-profile and calculated FUD) have now been shaken out and we’ll see a recovery soon. Cryptos are not going anywhere. Though the media, banks and governments would like them to disappear; the genie is out of the bottle now.

In this blog I’ll concentrate specifically on Privacy coins.

https://medium.com/@ainsleyh/5-of-the-most-undervalued-privacy-coins-f3030ec146ad
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Let's take a step back and humbly look at what was accomplished in less than a year. Particl's dev team is unbelievably strong!

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I can confirm this is still relevant and we are still in contact with them! As with all other exchanges though, they and only they will decide when they want to add us to their platform, thus making it futile to give any kind of listing ETA.

I am personally VERY excited to eventually get altcoins.io as an in-wallet integration. I believe January and the start of February clearly shows the importance of having means to trade coins outside the very regulated and manipulated KYC/AML exchanges. Bonus points for trade execution through atomic swaps Smiley
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what platforms do you use on your token?

Platform? Do you mean codebase?

If yes, Particl is built on the latest Bitcoin protocol 0.15.1 https://particl.news/release-particl-core-0-15-1-0-fbeddf20ae5

Originally we forked off 0.14.2 and upgraded to 0.15.0.1 within a week of release and 0.15.1 within a week of release. As far as I know Particl is the most complete, up-to-date Bitcoin fork besides the recent ugly-step-sister forks from Bitcoin defectors.

Plus we've enhanced it with privacy cryptography from Greg Maxwell (Confidential Transactions-CT), Shen Noether (Ring Signature Confidential Transactions-RingCT) and a couple Bitcoin Smart Contracts (yes Bitcoin does smart contracts too!) in our 2-person trustless escrow (MAD) as well as Cold Staking for quantum resistant staking.

So if some joker says we're forking Bitcoin to make Bitcoin Private, you'll know it's already here and it's called Particl

As you bring up atomic swaps, how close are you to make atomic swaps seamlessly possible? Is that very close or a long term goal? Would that then be possible for any digital currency?

For now we only have atomic swaps natively compatible with BTC, LTC, DCR and VTC. You can see this on our Github. Using them isn't intuitive and we'll be creating an interface that makes it easy to understand and simple to navigate. This won't be available in the Alpha release and may not be available in the Beta. FWiW

We'll rely on 3rd party apps like shapeshift and changelly to allow token holders of major coins to use the marketplace without needing PART. Atomic Swaps integration will rely on how many projects are preparing their coins for it and where it falls in next year's roadmap.

Ok that means we are still quite far away from atomic swaps between the majority of digital currencies. What does it require for a coin that is not ready to be used for atomic swaps to actually prepare it for that function? Is that a lot of complicated dev work or should most of the decent coins' teams be able to implement it?

Actually I think not. There is a new Shapeshift/Changelly exchange (but using Atomic Swaps rather than centralized order book) that has been announced recently, and they have confirmed they are in contact with the Particl team and plan on adding the coin to its exchange. I suppose they would make available simple APIs that Particl could then easily integrate into its wallet the same way they plan on integrating Changelly and Shapeshift!

Here's how it could look like: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQJSdUaVoAAwBmI.jpg:large

Is this still relevant and does anybody something about actual progress regarding that potential partnership?
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You can now buy Particl on Bittrex without actually registering an account with them using CoinSwitch!

https://www.reddit.com/r/Particl/comments/7twkhx/how_to_buy_parts_on_bittrex_without_registering/

So for anyone that wanted to buy but couldn't, now is your chance!
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Don't miss our livestream in two hours on our Facebook page!  Cheesy
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PART is one of the privacy coins I have my confidence in. It is still undervalued considering such low supply.


Each new project needs a little more time and Particl also has to grow by all means, it is even built on the intellectual contract of BTC. Why do we even need broadcasting?
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Hey guys

Some questions  Smiley

1. Is it normal that everytime I open the wallet (desktop one) my wallet sync with the network but always start from the beginning ? I always have to wait 18-19 min.
2. Im not able to create a address ?? I feel stupid but when I create a new address and they ask me for a label, when I press Add new, nothing happen ?

Thanks
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Don't miss our new AMA/Interactive FAQ thread on Reddit which will be summarized by a livestream/video session every 2 weeks on Friday!

https://www.reddit.com/r/Particl/comments/7s6csv/ama_faq_a_place_for_questions_about_anything/

Come ask your questions!

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who will use your marketplace if i.e. ebay will introduce something like universal crypto payment gateway?

p.s. imo stupid to just to compare tech part, when coint is trying to give some business value

Why is it stupid? Particl is a privacy platform which has a native privacy coin, PART. It only makes sense to compare it to other privacy coins as well to see what features it has and what features it doesn't have. I agree part of a research into crypto projects is about determining what "business value" the project has, but another important aspect is to study the technology as well.

As for the core of your question, who will use the marketplace if eBay introduces crypto payment...here's my personal opinion.

Particl is an open-source and decentralized privacy platform designed to work with almost any coin. The end goal of the platform is to create a brand new decentralized economy independent from exchanges and the fiat system. In a way, this is taking Satoshi's initial vision and pushing it a bit further. Whereas Bitcoin is a decentralized currency that, in most cases, still requires services from centralized parties such as exchanges, Particl aims to bring the entire ecosystem within a decentralized, natively private framework.

Again, Particl is a platform, not just a marketplace or a coin. The Particl marketplace will only be the first Dapp of many more to come, all with the end goal of furthering our vision of a completely decentralized and alternative economy independent from the fiat system.

So to understand why people would use our decentralized marketplace, you have to understand the bigger picture of Particl being a decentralized platform. We want users from all crypto communities to be able to do whatever they need in a decentralized and private fashion. We want everyone to be "freed" from centralized services and be part of an alternative economy.

I think the recent rumors from South Korea and China regarding banning centralized trading exchanges and how much of an effect these centralized parties have over crypto couldn't be a better example of why we need these services to be decentralized. Does it make sense to you to be trading your decentralized currencies on centralized exchanges? For me personally, it does not, the same way it doesn't make sense for me to have to cash out of crypto or use third-parties to purchase stuff online.

I'm sorry for this long ramble, but I'm trying to put into words the importance of creating an ENTIRE decentralized ecosystem rather than just a decentralized currency. Decentralized currencies are just not enough to truly break free from the centralized banking cartel economy, you need the whole ecosystem to be decentralized. The privacy marketplace we are building is the first step in that direction.
Don't you think it is disingenuous to call it a "privacy platform" when privacy is not mandatory? Anonymity should not be optional. Not to even mention RingCT is not implemented yet, and nobody knows when it will be implemented.

Our marketplace Dapp is natively private (private by default with no way to opt out), meaning that it is fully fungible. RingCT is implemented as we speak, but only on the testnet network. It is currently being audited at the NJIT Department of Technology to make sure it is as secure as possible. But to be clear, RingCT is already integrated both on top of the latest BTC codebase (0.15.1) and on top of Segwit as well.
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