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sr. member
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No one. The ID supplied was using for AML purposes, not credit check or identification. This time the ID provides is used to verify identication only.

The claim accuracy and account ownership are much more important than IDs. I'm not surprised if the IDs are not being touched at all.

Anyway, Bitcoinica Consultancy has the right to obtain any document from me.

So you DID sell the documents and private information .

Question for the forum: How much does each of the following go for?

5000 +  User emails =

3000 Drivers Licenses (not only USA, but from ANY and EVERY corner of the globe) =

List of Home and Postal Addresses  =

List of Phone numbers =

The Jackpot 3,000 + Worldwide Passports =

And lets not forget that these are all TOP Quality scans and are matched up.
legendary
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If Zhou Tong doesnt own bitcoinica wtf does he have all of the customers private information still ?
Mind=Blown.

When we started asking for IDs, no one knew that I sold the site, so as a moral practice I should be the only one with access these private documents.

After the security attack, I immediately revoked the repository access from the servers and all the keys have been replaced. Since it's just kept in archive for AML and no one find it interesting to look at them everyday, they just stay there.

I'll keep the documents for as long as the government require and promise not to use for any purpose other than AML and other government-related investigations.

If you are uncomfortable with holding your IDs with me, you can contact Bitcoinica Consultancy and send your IDs to them. After I got the confirmation that they have stored your IDs, I'll delete them from the server.

Really? This is how you want to go about processing every single of your customers IDs? I thought you wanted to study this year? You might want to reconsider your plan for a little more efficency because people will probably require you to delete that data. Just my 2 cents.
vip
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If Zhou Tong doesnt own bitcoinica wtf does he have all of the customers private information still ?
Mind=Blown.

When we started asking for IDs, no one knew that I sold the site, so as a moral practice I should be the only one with access these private documents.

After the security attack, I immediately revoked the repository access from the servers and all the keys have been replaced. Since it's just kept in archive for AML and no one find it interesting to look at them everyday, they just stay there.

I'll keep the documents for as long as the government require and promise not to use for any purpose other than AML and other government-related investigations.

If you are uncomfortable with holding your IDs with me, you can contact Bitcoinica Consultancy and send your IDs to them. After I got the confirmation that they have stored your IDs, I'll delete them from the server.
vip
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This is the forth time I have bought up this important issue, and to date I've not received a single reply by anybody, hence posting once again. Please read entire post, for this is a very important issue.

My husband loss 250K in the Pacquiao vs. Bradley fight. It is not our life savings, trust me.

Before you did not have a database, now you are making up accounts and balances. Zhoutong, I understand its hard to pay out such amount especially when you probably do not have it. Which would explained why all other bitcoinica users that did verify have still received anything. You seem to have most of the forum on your side, waiting and trusting in your words, without realizing that you sold their documents without their consent. Your illegal sale was the cause of the hack and people seem to ignore this. You first denied who I was, then you say you "found" my account. News for you Zhoutong, because of daily limits and red flags triggered by big accounts, I had 7 accounts, all accessed via TOR.

My point of showing you the screenshots was for you to remember since when we have been doing business. I NEVER thought you were going to pretend who I was or denied my claim.

I am going to ask this question one last time because I think it is super important and you are ignoring it for some reason.

How much money did you make, how much Tihan Paid YOU when he bought from you, when you sold all of our emails, passports (expensive in the black market),Drivers license, utility bills, financial tranasctions history, First Names, Last Names, Phone Numbers... Home Address?

If the money never came out of your pocket since the first loss, that must mean your "Tuition" is there untouched. That is magnificent, it truly is. Your 1000 Gold Coin, your playboy shirst, your gucci glasses, your Ipad..true baller in Singapore. All your little buddies must be like yoooo通州什麼該死的人,你是老闆!

Maria.


Just one thing you want to know. Tihan didn't get any of the documents, and the AML was implemented after the sale.

Tihan gave me sole access to the documents because people don't know him. I didn't betray your trust (if any).

Bitcoinica Consultancy has not requested for access either. So no one, other than me, could ever touch the verified documents.

Given the above, and...

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I am willing to send a scan of my ID for priority processing of account access

  • Yes
  • No

Source: https://claims.bitcoinica.com/

Here is the question, once again: Who, exactly, is viewing and matching up verified document, i.e. passports, DL's, photo ID's, et el.?

~Bruno~

No one. The ID supplied was using for AML purposes, not credit check or identification. This time the ID provides is used to verify identication only.

The claim accuracy and account ownership are much more important than IDs. I'm not surprised if the IDs are not being touched at all.

Anyway, Bitcoinica Consultancy has the right to obtain any document from me.
hero member
Activity: 686
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Wat
If Zhou Tong doesnt own bitcoinica wtf does he have all of the customers private information still ?
Mind=Blown.
legendary
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Bitcoin: An Idea Worth Spending
This is the forth time I have bought up this important issue, and to date I've not received a single reply by anybody, hence posting once again. Please read entire post, for this is a very important issue.

My husband loss 250K in the Pacquiao vs. Bradley fight. It is not our life savings, trust me.

Before you did not have a database, now you are making up accounts and balances. Zhoutong, I understand its hard to pay out such amount especially when you probably do not have it. Which would explained why all other bitcoinica users that did verify have still received anything. You seem to have most of the forum on your side, waiting and trusting in your words, without realizing that you sold their documents without their consent. Your illegal sale was the cause of the hack and people seem to ignore this. You first denied who I was, then you say you "found" my account. News for you Zhoutong, because of daily limits and red flags triggered by big accounts, I had 7 accounts, all accessed via TOR.

My point of showing you the screenshots was for you to remember since when we have been doing business. I NEVER thought you were going to pretend who I was or denied my claim.

I am going to ask this question one last time because I think it is super important and you are ignoring it for some reason.

How much money did you make, how much Tihan Paid YOU when he bought from you, when you sold all of our emails, passports (expensive in the black market),Drivers license, utility bills, financial tranasctions history, First Names, Last Names, Phone Numbers... Home Address?

If the money never came out of your pocket since the first loss, that must mean your "Tuition" is there untouched. That is magnificent, it truly is. Your 1000 Gold Coin, your playboy shirst, your gucci glasses, your Ipad..true baller in Singapore. All your little buddies must be like yoooo通州什麼該死的人,你是老闆!

Maria.


Just one thing you want to know. Tihan didn't get any of the documents, and the AML was implemented after the sale.

Tihan gave me sole access to the documents because people don't know him. I didn't betray your trust (if any).

Bitcoinica Consultancy has not requested for access either. So no one, other than me, could ever touch the verified documents.

Given the above, and...

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I am willing to send a scan of my ID for priority processing of account access

  • Yes
  • No

Source: https://claims.bitcoinica.com/

Here is the question, once again: Who, exactly, is viewing and matching up verified document, i.e. passports, DL's, photo ID's, et el.?

~Bruno~
legendary
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People do have their coins. We've been processing payments out during the last few days. But the process is extremely slow and tedious.

Thanks for working on this during a weekend genjix.

  • I assume that the customers who are receiving payments have been notified over email?
  • How many customers have received 50% payments so far?
  • Do you expect to continue payments at the same rate over the coming days/weeks?
  • Who will bear the cost of incorrect payouts? (assuming that there is a margin of error in the verification process)

1- yes. Going through them one by one.
2- less than 1%. I'm not sure if it's a good idea to say how many people. But it's a small number.
3- hopefully we get faster with experience. Much of the slow speed is a lack of supporting system to act efficiently.
4- we will bear the cost (I assume).
hero member
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Mine Silent, Mine Deep
People do have their coins. We've been processing payments out during the last few days. But the process is extremely slow and tedious.

Thanks for working on this during a weekend genjix.

  • I assume that the customers who are receiving payments have been notified over email?
  • How many customers have received 50% payments so far?
  • Do you expect to continue payments at the same rate over the coming days/weeks?
  • Who will bear the cost of incorrect payouts? (assuming that there is a margin of error in the verification process)
legendary
Activity: 1232
Merit: 1076
Jesus..   people still dont have their coins ?

People do have their coins. We've been processing payments out during the last few days. But the process is extremely slow and tedious.
hero member
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You're fat, because you dont have any pics on FB
Jesus..   people still dont have their coins ?


this is laughable...

Im sorry for people's loss, but this is becoming a huge scam...

The long con, again...

No wonder ZT wants to distance himself...
hero member
Activity: 667
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@genjix - sent an e-mail to you regarding my claim

teek

legendary
Activity: 1918
Merit: 1570
Bitcoin: An Idea Worth Spending
Do something? Like what? There isn't much but the shaming and blaming game. Card's been played. I can post every day on Intersango forums that I want my money back, but for a hundred bitcoins I won't and can't do shit. One thing I can do though is to tell people who have nothing at stake here, and look like they fled to Argentina in 1945 that I don't appreciate their advise.

Back to the topic: Genjix, for people who weren't verified yet on Bitcoinica and no password hash was found. Do you need our passports or not? Thank you.

The only person who has officially stated that they alone have access to all the verified documents is ZT. None others! Therefore, genjix or any other person is incapable of matching up any private verified documents that may be submitted. I'm of the camp that this fact is indisputable unless, of course, backpedaling a Flying Pigeon is currently in discussion.

~Bruno~
hero member
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Mine Silent, Mine Deep
FYI - https://bitcoinica.com/ has been updated:

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2012-06-17 Claims Payments Specifics
Be sure to fillout the payment instructions section of the claim.
Failure to do so will significantly delay claims.

The question is: will failure to add instructions delay 'your claim' or 'all claims' ?
legendary
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The 'secret' email address above works. Promptly received an answer stating my claim wasn't denied, and that I will likely need to become verified first (via passport or such I'm guessing). In any case, lower priority.

While waiting for a lottery win, has anybody actually received any funds yet? Please let us know.
hero member
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Actually I sent you at lease 3 mails to inquiry my claim status but no mail was replied.


I just finished answering the emails people sent to me asking about their claim's status. If you didn't receive a reply yet then email me again.

I have not got an e-mail back either. Where should we be sending to?
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This e-mail is not on the bitcoinica website. I have nothing back from ver[email protected] What is the secret address?


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hero member
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Actually I sent you at lease 3 mails to inquiry my claim status but no mail was replied.


I just finished answering the emails people sent to me asking about their claim's status. If you didn't receive a reply yet then email me again.

I have not got an e-mail back either. Where should we be sending to?
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This e-mail is not on the bitcoinica website. I have nothing back from ver[email protected] What is the secret address?


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member
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I was told this:
"I would suggest that the communication should be strictly about payments progress. Daily factual one-liners as in: "Today we verified 20 balances." or "We expect payments to begin on Friday", or "We're working on a secure system for issuing MtGox codes.""

If you send me a message to [email protected] then I'll forward you on to them.
hero member
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has anyone else been told they have to verify the claim manually. mine says password hash not found
 Huh

Yes, there were some pw's that have been recovered so far, I am not sure though if yours was not able to be that it necessarily won't be in the future.  I don't know if that has been fully explained as of yet.
member
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Bitcoins Gold Silver
has anyone else been told they have to verify the claim manually. mine says password hash not found
 Huh
newbie
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Well I stopped to believe to get any of my 450 BTC back. I gave them all information about me, mtgox codes, scan of my ID, everything they wanted. I can't do actually nothing more. Mtgox codes is strong evidence (especially when deposits were made just couple of days before hack). And what is also important I had no open positions, just deposit for interests.

Now I got info from genjix that my account has a lower priority. I've lost my hope, I'm really angry...
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