Topic: Perpetual motion device - Free Energy - Do you believe in it? - page 11. (Read 14005 times)

And how much work can you do with this heat difference between ground and air?

I know, I'm just trying to dumb it down for the people as much as possible. A magnet to inducing a current in a wire (attaching to and pulling electrons) is as a spring attaching to some crap with one end and dragging it along when you pull on the other. I guess I could call a magnet just a fastener.

but you would not be generating, you would be using more energy to sustain your trajectory than you would 'generate' so effectively you would be only using energy, not generating it.
The satelite that uses it uses it as a kind of throttle. If it goes too fast it can use it to slow down and if it goes too slow it can use it to speed up. But it is not for generating electricity. It is to keep a specific balance. If they used it just to create electricity the drag would crash the satelite. So this device cannot be used to generate electricity. It's an energy converter, just like any motor and so you need to supply it with fuel.
Now i have to ask, making energy with fuel..    

Free energy DOES exist. Just build a stirling engine out of scrap parts and stick in on your back yard. It'll run most of the day when there's a temperature difference between ground and air. Big enough stirlingengine with heat pumps to bring in heat from larger area and tada, you can power your mining rigs from the thermal energy of your lawn.

Perpetual motion however, is against the laws of nature. Laws of physics may change, laws of nature do not.

Where can i find the definition of the difference between the word universe and cosmos?
In my definition they mean the same thing.
The universe includes the known univere so it is already defined as bigger than we can ever hope to see.

I know... Check the rest of the quote, that Rassah left out:

If you could make legitimate free energy (which you can't, because physics), you wouldn't be on YouTube posting shitty videos, you would be rubbing elbows with the worlds leaders because you just solved one of humanities greatest problems (sustainability).

i think you may be conflating the cosmos with the universe. It may be the case that the universe is the cosmos but it may also be the case that the cosmos is greater in scope than the universe. If it is the case that the cosmos is greater in scope than the universe than it still stands that the cosmos its self may be a perpetual motion devise because entropy may be a property specific to certain universes and not the cosmos its self.

If you move a wire (tether) through a magnetic field it will resist the movement making it lose momentum.
If you created, say, a spaceship that extracts electrical energy in this way you would have to compensate for the loss of speed with other fuel (or even the same). Net result is you at least lost some heat. So in the end you will not be able to get usefull extra work out of such a system.

Magnets are not springs because a moving spring will not induce a current in a wire.

Now let's say we can strap a coil to the moon , how much energy could we tap out of it before it crashes into the earth?  

Out of a magnet, no. Out of movement in a magnetic field, or the movement of a magnetic field, yes:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrodynamic_tether

You can't get energy out of a magnet. Period. Doesn't matter if it's a small permanent magnet, or a planet sized magnet. I know they are weird and mysterious, being able to attract things without anything visible, but magnets are just springs that work on a different level. You can pull apart a spring and have it snap back together, just like a magnet, but you can't get energy out of just the spring any more than you can out of just a magnet. Any "energy" you may see out of it is the energy that was applied to it earlier (pulling it apart) that is being released.
I don't know how to put it any other way, other than magnets don't have any energy in them to give.

I think those are synthetically defined by their surrounding.
So while no one thing/particle can posses a monopole you can create a situation where the environment forces one out of thin air by defining it's inverse. It's all relative, you see...

Can't really argue, there... though it may be possible to tap power from the Earth's magnetic field, or something like that, not "free' or "perpetual" energy, just generated in unconventional means. Thus, it pays to examine the ciaims.


Nope. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy

Perhaps the cosmos its self is a perpetual motion devise?

We figured out how to make a monopole magnet using superconductors back in early 2000's. It still requires a lot of energy to work.

I would bet $6,000,000,000 USD and the life of the betters that free energy is not possible. The energy always has to come from somewhere.

And sorry, it can't come from a magnet. I don't know where some of the guys here got the idea that you can get energy out of a magnet by slowly demagnetizing it, but that's simply not true. A magnet is just molecules lined up in a specific way. You can't get energy out of that any more than you get energy out of a crystal or from just lining up magnets on the floor top all face the same direction.

Not by themselfs, no.

If you invented a free energy machine you would not present the evidence in a youtube video...
There are many places that would gladly investigate such claim so there are enough ways for thee people to verify it actually works how they thin it works.
Again, extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
In this respect a youtube video is useless unless it provides verifyable data collected blindly over many trials. Which is much more convenient to do in text so usually people write papers. And that is when you know you can at least put some effort into taking it seriously...
You simply cannot prove this stuff with a youtube demonstration.

About keeping an open mind, you would be way better off just reading some physics books as the whole playingfield of these quacks has been thoroughly mapped out decades ago by science and there was no free energy found despite the scrutiny. There just is no thing like free energy in a closed system on our macro level. There is a slight possibility there is a source of free energy at the absolute lowest quantum level but that happens at a scale of 10^-37m or something like that. Interfacing with something so small requires you to use tools operating at that level. Needless to say that any macroscopic ontraption could never be precise enough.
All these people playing around with macroscopic objects will never ever be able to magically tap energy out of thin air. It is just not how our univers happens to work.
So unless someone opens a 52th dimentional portal to c'thuluville they just cant be talking about really getting free energy and i'm not taking it serously.

From my own research there doesn't really seem to be such a thing as free/infinite energy, we can make it very cheap or you can have lots and lots of it like if you power something from the sun or with water, the problem with all this stuff like perpetual motion is that it does work on a small scale but you have to look at it from an industrial point of view because people want thousands of kilowatts to power cities. Oil and Nuclear are more popular options because of how much easier it is to get that kind of thing going, that said I can understand oil because all you do is dig that out of the ground and burn it after you prepare it but with Nuclear? It's the equivalent of having a nuclear bomb sitting next to your house and I just think that's insane.

All these ideas are for the most part already there, but particularly with sun and wind they're horribly inefficient because when you want to have something powered constantly you can't really have things like weather dictating how much power you're capable of generating if you want to do stuff long term with it. A lot of these people posting the 'free energy' crap on youtube I think are people who are just learning about science and have no idea what they're talking about, either that or they are probably trying to scam you like you think.