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Topic: Perpetual motion device - Free Energy - Do you believe in it? - page 12. (Read 14005 times)

legendary
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The first one is obviously fake.  The coil speeds up.  There's probably a battery hidden in the wood block, making a simple motor.  Also, monopole magnets aren't known to exist.

Listen, I'll save you some time.  This is the closest you will come to finding a legitimate magnetic "free energy" device on Youtube.
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A rule of thumb is: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
None of these free-energy types has come up with any evidence so far.
I think you can safely dismiss any youtube videos about free energy without actually watching them..

Probably true. Key to science, though, is an open mind. If you dismiss all claims without even looking at the evidence, you could miss something groundbreaking. That's why I requested schematics. If I can build it myself, and it works, pulling energy out of thin air, I'll believe it.
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oh now if I even set up perpetual motion there'll be claims i'm using 'wireless power'

Set it up on a glass table, with enough framing that we can see there aren't any hidden power sources.

meh, could still be powered by IR or UV laser..


We'd see the pickups for that, it would look a bit like an LED.

There are paints that look metallc-grey in the visible spectrum but are transparent in the uv or ir.
So it could have easily been build into the device.

But my point was maybe more that you cannot tell anything from a youtube video.
You see a small part of what could otherwise be (and with these things usually is) a controlled environment.
In all propability this is indeed just induction. But you have to keep in mind that it does not have to be.
So even if it is then demonstrated that it could not have been simple coil induction then you already know it can still be a trick.
That's how you have to think with these kinds of people.

A rule of thumb is: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
None of these free-energy types has come up with any evidence so far.
I think you can safely dismiss any youtube videos about free energy without actually watching them..


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oh now if I even set up perpetual motion there'll be claims i'm using 'wireless power'

Set it up on a glass table, with enough framing that we can see there aren't any hidden power sources.

meh, could still be powered by IR or UV laser..


We'd see the pickups for that, it would look a bit like an LED.

Oh, and 420, be sure to include schematics. It's not science if it's not reproducible.
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oh now if I even set up perpetual motion there'll be claims i'm using 'wireless power'

Set it up on a glass table, with enough framing that we can see there aren't any hidden power sources.

meh, could still be powered by IR or UV laser..
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Pretty sure second video use induction: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYqAxeyc3bw
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oh now if I even set up perpetual motion there'll be claims i'm using 'wireless power'

Set it up on a glass table, with enough framing that we can see there aren't any hidden power sources.
420
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oh now if I even set up perpetual motion there'll be claims i'm using 'wireless power'
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It's not a scam, perpetual motion has been modeled a lot in the past, and for the most part can work, like those plastic birds with that liquid in them, that always go down and up.

How those work is actually very simple, and pretty interesting. It's a heat engine, using a temperature gradient between the head and the butt of the bird to alternately condense and evaporate a liquid. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drinking_bird

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If a glass of water is placed so that the beak dips into it on its descent, the bird will continue to absorb water and the cycle will continue as long as there is enough water in the glass to keep the head wet. However, the bird will continue to dip even without a source of water, as long as the head is wet, or as long as a temperature differential is maintained between the head and body. This differential can be generated without evaporative cooling in the head; for instance, a heat source directed at the bottom bulb will create a pressure differential between top and bottom that will drive the engine. The ultimate source of energy is the temperature gradient between the toy's head and base; the toy is not a perpetual motion machine.
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Perpetual motion devices using magnets are not perpetual beacuse magnets wear out.
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Already debunked as a motor powered by a voltage across the nails.

I gotta admit, this one took me a few seconds to figure out. But then I remembered induction. There's another coil underneath the table, hooked up to a power supply. Current flowing in that coil induces a current flow in this one, powering the bulb. It's the same way the wireless charging on the newer phones work.
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It would depend on your magnet, assuming the video isn't as fake as the other one ("see new vid" -- electricity is coming from under the table or a hidden magnet). I've killed magnets in a matter of months before, and that was just performing party tricks. (One surefire way to kill your magnet is to do that "levitation" trick, then weigh down the floating one).

Presumably there's some heat coming out of this too; anyone who's roasted a magnet over a fire will tell you that the magnet dies.
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Thats the point I was looking for. It may move now but the magnet wears out...and the magnet had to be built and charged which is basically like the 'fuel' of the equation

anyway I'd like to build one and see how long it'd run then
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We have something called the Laws of Thermodynamics. Note: they're not even theories; they're laws.
In a perfectly friction-less vacuum, perpetual motion is possible, but not harvesting energy from the system. In this case, it's probably complete bullshit.

I bet it's bullshit. Even if it's not, it's certainly not "free energy."
It's not a scam, perpetual motion has been modeled a lot in the past, and for the most part can work, like those plastic birds with that liquid in them, that always go down and up.
Those stop eventually. They run out of water.
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It's not a scam, perpetual motion has been modeled a lot in the past, and for the most part can work, like those plastic birds with that liquid in them, that always go down and up.


The hardship comes in harvesting that free energy. See how at first the little metal piece flies off? Imagine that happening in an electric output battery for a big city, an explosion would ensue, the ground would shake violently, then the city loses power and everyone thinks it's a terrorist attack. Or the end of the world if your town is religious.


It's not a scam, but using magnetism would not be profitable since at some point itcan stop spinning without flying off.


So his piece isn't exactly perpetual.


[Edit] Not a fan of "free perp. energy". I'd much rather huge tesla coils shoot lightning at a big anntennae at our houses periodically and all electric devices can usewirless electricity. I fucking hate chords

see new vid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJdLA4w3w58
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It's not a scam, perpetual motion has been modeled a lot in the past, and for the most part can work, like those plastic birds with that liquid in them, that always go down and up.


The hardship comes in harvesting that free energy. See how at first the little metal piece flies off? Imagine that happening in an electric output battery for a big city, an explosion would ensue, the ground would shake violently, then the city loses power and everyone thinks it's a terrorist attack. Or the end of the world if your town is religious.


It's not a scam, but using magnetism would not be profitable since at some point itcan stop spinning without flying off.


So his piece isn't exactly perpetual.


[Edit] Not a fan of "free perp. energy". I'd much rather huge tesla coils shoot lightning at a big anntennae at our houses periodically and all electric devices can usewirless electricity. I fucking hate chords
420
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How much would you bet that it works or doesnt?

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myrkul
Rassah

Is this video a scam?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xR6Qait2JGY#t=3m12s

and this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJdLA4w3w58
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