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Quote from: deisik on June 23, 2020, 05:33:00 PM

Fooling means deceiving, and in its ultimate form, scamming, i.e. making use and taking advantage of the victim's lack of knowledge, as well as trust abuse.

If making use and taking of the victim's lack of knowledge is deceiving/scamming, then that is literally what casinos do. There are too many people who still fall for the typical trap of gambling businesses by thinking that casinos are out there to make you rich, and not to take your money.

Even this forum is filled up with "strategies" for different gambling games and that shows you just how easy a gambling business deceives you by making you think (i.e. Gambler's fallacy, credits to o_e_l_e_o for teaching me about it) a different session setup or seed would give you an advantage. If that's what deceiving is, then spike420211 has used the proper words.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on June 21, 2020, 04:57:24 AM

Thanks for the heads up. I never knew such details and planning by Casinos were done. Anyways now, because of the pandemic, many have shifted to online gambling. Those things are not applicable when you gamble online. The list does make me believe that online gambling is far much safer.

I think this still depends though. There are those online casinos that scam people, that take advantage of the people, and sometimes the provably fair is also not true. I think there should also be another thread like this but with the online casinos: decoded. Physical and online casinos have their own good sides and bad sides, it is just right now with the pandemic, it is much better to bet online.

In a sense, all casinos are fooling people

I don't think your choice of words is proper

Fooling means deceiving, and in its ultimate form, scamming, i.e. making use and taking advantage of the victim's lack of knowledge, as well as trust abuse. However, the casino's house edge is always known beforehand, and you can easily see its effect in games like dice (read, you can check it). But if you know the house edge, it is no longer possible to rightfully claim that the casino is fooling you. Further, I wouldn't call it "a legal way of cheating", with respect to either legal or cheating (read, there's no such thing as "legal cheating")

HE is always there in casinos, so yes, it's not fooling the players as it does legally exist. If a casino has no HE, then it is for you to doubt about their intentions. I remember one casino here that was introduced with 0% HE, and a lot were hesitant about their true motives. Now, it is for the player to choose from these casinos where to play with, because the HE varies a lil bit from one casino to another.

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Quote from: Findingnemo on June 23, 2020, 10:31:13 PM

If someone is keep winning more bets then casinos will intentionally ban them from playing there, this is biggest untold truth behind every successful casino.They offer lot of free perks for you to enjoy and make you guilty about not spending enough money.

I don't think that casino's will ban someone unless they are caught cheating or suspecting that they are cheating. Of course if you keep on winning, alarms will be raised and you will be put under the microscope. If didn't find anything suspicious then you are good, but we all know that luck doesn't last. Sooner or later, the house edge will caught up on you.

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If someone is keep winning more bets then casinos will intentionally ban them from playing there, this is biggest untold truth behind every successful casino.They offer lot of free perks for you to enjoy and make you guilty about not spending enough money.

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Quote from: xenon131 on June 23, 2020, 05:33:14 AM

Two-and-a-half years ago, in one of Japanese casinos I had the good fortune to be experiencing the communication with employed robots that acted as professional schillers in the spot. And from what I observed, their second duty was watching the games, but to what purpose I don't know.

Maybe the second jobs are to watching the gamblers on every table, so they can know if any gamblers cheat, and they can do something to that gamblers. I guess if social distance still exists around us in the future, we will see more robots that will watch us playing gambling or other things.

Quote from: FontSeli on June 23, 2020, 01:56:55 PM

All the casinos are Packed with cameras. The number of cameras per square meter is huge. And no matter how perfect the cameras are, as well as the many places where they are placed, I think there is nothing better than professional people in the hall who are usually looking for cheaters.

I agree with that. But with the camera everywhere, that can help every security members in that place to get updated info from the office about the situations around them. The camera plus the security members will secure the place from the cheater.

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Quote from: deisik on June 23, 2020, 05:33:00 PM

Quote from: spike420211 on June 23, 2020, 04:36:11 PM

Quote from: FlightyPouch on June 23, 2020, 08:04:39 AM

Quote from: pakhitheboss on June 21, 2020, 04:57:24 AM

Thanks for the heads up. I never knew such details and planning by Casinos were done. Anyways now, because of the pandemic, many have shifted to online gambling. Those things are not applicable when you gamble online. The list does make me believe that online gambling is far much safer.

I think this still depends though. There are those online casinos that scam people, that take advantage of the people, and sometimes the provably fair is also not true. I think there should also be another thread like this but with the online casinos: decoded. Physical and online casinos have their own good sides and bad sides, it is just right now with the pandemic, it is much better to bet online.

In a sense, all casinos are fooling people

I don't think your choice of words is proper

Fooling means deceiving, and in its ultimate form, scamming, i.e. making use and taking advantage of the victim's lack of knowledge, as well as trust abuse. However, the casino's house edge is always known beforehand, and you can easily see its effect in games like dice (read, you can check it). But if you know the house edge, it is no longer possible to rightfully claim that the casino is fooling you. Further, I wouldn't call it "a legal way of cheating", with respect to either legal or cheating (read, there's no such thing as "legal cheating")

Legal cheating? This is my first time on hearing out such claims because theres no legal thing about cheating hehe.

I dont know why they do call out house edge as legal way of cheating or do say that they do fool you yet this had been always part of this business

because on this way they do generate out profits.How the hell would someone doesnt consider this?

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Quote from: spike420211 on June 23, 2020, 04:36:11 PM

Quote from: FlightyPouch on June 23, 2020, 08:04:39 AM

Quote from: pakhitheboss on June 21, 2020, 04:57:24 AM

Thanks for the heads up. I never knew such details and planning by Casinos were done. Anyways now, because of the pandemic, many have shifted to online gambling. Those things are not applicable when you gamble online. The list does make me believe that online gambling is far much safer.

I think this still depends though. There are those online casinos that scam people, that take advantage of the people, and sometimes the provably fair is also not true. I think there should also be another thread like this but with the online casinos: decoded. Physical and online casinos have their own good sides and bad sides, it is just right now with the pandemic, it is much better to bet online.

In a sense, all casinos are fooling people

I don't think your choice of words is proper

Fooling means deceiving, and in its ultimate form, scamming, i.e. making use and taking advantage of the victim's lack of knowledge, as well as trust abuse. However, the casino's house edge is always known beforehand, and you can easily see its effect in games like dice (read, you can check it). But if you know the house edge, it is no longer possible to rightfully claim that the casino is fooling you. Further, I wouldn't call it "a legal way of cheating", with respect to either legal or cheating (read, there's no such thing as "legal cheating")

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on June 23, 2020, 03:45:37 PM

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The casino will know how to deal with the cheat, and maybe they don't have to hire or pay high-security costs, but the casino can use another way. But I am sure the casino can install a hidden camera on their place so the security can watch the activity on every table, and if they find someone trying to cheat, they can directly get that person.

All the casinos are Packed with cameras. The number of cameras per square meter is huge. And no matter how perfect the cameras are, as well as the many places where they are placed, I think there is nothing better than professional people in the hall who are usually looking for cheaters.

I agree with you. there are enough CCTV in a casino and I don't think that professional gamblers will try to cheat in game, because they have enough skill and they know that very well, you cannot able to gamble in a casino for a long time by cheating, you have to be caught one day and you have to pay double the price for what you get by cheating.

We even have a saying among our people: "No matter how long the thread does not curl, and the end will be." And with the cheaters. No matter how much they cheat the casino, they will eventually get caught.
I have heard that cheaters prefer to play in small casinos, where the security system is much simpler.

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Quote from: FlightyPouch on June 23, 2020, 08:04:39 AM

Quote from: pakhitheboss on June 21, 2020, 04:57:24 AM

Thanks for the heads up. I never knew such details and planning by Casinos were done. Anyways now, because of the pandemic, many have shifted to online gambling. Those things are not applicable when you gamble online. The list does make me believe that online gambling is far much safer.

I think this still depends though. There are those online casinos that scam people, that take advantage of the people, and sometimes the provably fair is also not true. I think there should also be another thread like this but with the online casinos: decoded. Physical and online casinos have their own good sides and bad sides, it is just right now with the pandemic, it is much better to bet online.

In a sense, all casinos are fooling people.
Negative expectation in most casino games is a legal way of cheating that is known to people and they themselves agree to it by participating in games.

No one tells the casino what your chances of winning are, they just tell you how much your win is and how huge it can be.
Most people become addict first of all on the fact that their expectations are not met, and they have an acute desire to restore the balance of power at any cost in other words - to recoup and punish the casino for cheating.

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Quote from: FontSeli on June 23, 2020, 01:56:55 PM

Quote from: michellee on June 22, 2020, 11:17:35 PM

Quote from: FontSeli on June 22, 2020, 08:09:44 AM

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The casino will know how to deal with the cheat, and maybe they don't have to hire or pay high-security costs, but the casino can use another way. But I am sure the casino can install a hidden camera on their place so the security can watch the activity on every table, and if they find someone trying to cheat, they can directly get that person.

All the casinos are Packed with cameras. The number of cameras per square meter is huge. And no matter how perfect the cameras are, as well as the many places where they are placed, I think there is nothing better than professional people in the hall who are usually looking for cheaters.

I agree with you. there are enough CCTV in a casino and I don't think that professional gamblers will try to cheat in game, because they have enough skill and they know that very well, you cannot able to gamble in a casino for a long time by cheating, you have to be caught one day and you have to pay double the price for what you get by cheating.

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Quote from: michellee on June 22, 2020, 11:17:35 PM

Quote from: FontSeli on June 22, 2020, 08:09:44 AM

I think that all casinos are concerned about their reputation and want players to feel safe and not cheat in games. However, not all casinos can afford high security costs. Therefore, casinos often compromise on security and the cost of providing it.

The casino will know how to deal with the cheat, and maybe they don't have to hire or pay high-security costs, but the casino can use another way. But I am sure the casino can install a hidden camera on their place so the security can watch the activity on every table, and if they find someone trying to cheat, they can directly get that person.

All the casinos are Packed with cameras. The number of cameras per square meter is huge. And no matter how perfect the cameras are, as well as the many places where they are placed, I think there is nothing better than professional people in the hall who are usually looking for cheaters.

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Quote from: michellee on June 22, 2020, 11:17:35 PM

Quote from: Yatsan on June 22, 2020, 04:44:04 AM

What's the use of having employees pretend as gamblers? If they were found out, it could easily be seen as a way to manipulate the mindset of the customers that gamble. An easy example would be the employee pretending pushing the others to play with him and the like. Just let them be a normal employee, there are cams all over the place after all so any suspicious activity could easily be seen, as long as no blindspots are made that is.

Phew, I am sure the employees can hiding their identity among the other gamblers. Or another scenario is the casino can hire some pro gamblers who will watch the games, and report it to the security so the cheater can get arrested. There are so many ways that the casino can do to protect their business from people who want to cheat, and maybe that is only one of many ways that they have.

Two-and-a-half years ago, in one of Japanese casinos I had the good fortune to be experiencing the communication with employed robots that acted as professional schillers in the spot. And from what I observed, their second duty was watching the games, but to what purpose I don't know.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on June 21, 2020, 04:57:24 AM

Thanks for the heads up. I never knew such details and planning by Casinos were done. Anyways now, because of the pandemic, many have shifted to online gambling. Those things are not applicable when you gamble online. The list does make me believe that online gambling is far much safer.

I think this still depends though. There are those online casinos that scam people, that take advantage of the people, and sometimes the provably fair is also not true. I think there should also be another thread like this but with the online casinos: decoded. Physical and online casinos have their own good sides and bad sides, it is just right now with the pandemic, it is much better to bet online.

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Quote from: Debonaire217 on June 22, 2020, 10:19:57 PM

Quote from: FontSeli on June 21, 2020, 04:44:55 PM

I think that the presence of such employees depends on the size and profitability of the casino. The larger the casino, the more serious and professional its security service is. I think the biggest casinos in Las Vegas and that's where the best security services in the world are.
For me, as a player, the main thing is that I can enjoy the game and no one interfered with it.

With this, it comes to my mind if securities are also focused to scout the players especially those who are winning too much to somehow do an act to investigate if that player is doing something fishy why he wins. I just watched film like this and I wonder if the actual physical casino staff does check the player or observe someone that wins consecutively. Because believe me or not, it is also scary to win in a row even if your wins basically comes from luck.

Going back, Casinos in Vegas do really have big team of employees to ensure that they can provide the best service. That is why I think online gambling sites are the most efficient since their employees are limited to Cybersecurity experts, web dev, programmers and internal staff.

I am sure that the movies do not show even half of what the security services of the largest casinos currently have in order to identify cheaters. Technology is constantly evolving and I think that the security services are armed with the most modern computer systems.

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Quote from: Yatsan on June 22, 2020, 04:44:04 AM

What's the use of having employees pretend as gamblers? If they were found out, it could easily be seen as a way to manipulate the mindset of the customers that gamble. An easy example would be the employee pretending pushing the others to play with him and the like. Just let them be a normal employee, there are cams all over the place after all so any suspicious activity could easily be seen, as long as no blindspots are made that is.

Phew, I am sure the employees can hiding their identity among the other gamblers. Or another scenario is the casino can hire some pro gamblers who will watch the games, and report it to the security so the cheater can get arrested. There are so many ways that the casino can do to protect their business from people who want to cheat, and maybe that is only one of many ways that they have.

Quote from: FontSeli on June 22, 2020, 08:09:44 AM

I think that all casinos are concerned about their reputation and want players to feel safe and not cheat in games. However, not all casinos can afford high security costs. Therefore, casinos often compromise on security and the cost of providing it.

The casino will know how to deal with the cheat, and maybe they don't have to hire or pay high-security costs, but the casino can use another way. But I am sure the casino can install a hidden camera on their place so the security can watch the activity on every table, and if they find someone trying to cheat, they can directly get that person.

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This may be possible, and there may be some other tactics could also be deployed just in order to ensure the house is in order and nothing fishy happens while gambling. Because any unpleasant kind of experience if shared in outside world then the reputation of such casinos will take a hit and would result of switch of the gamblers from one to other casinos and nobody would want that to happen.

The casino will prevent any unpleasant kind of experience as you say because the casino really thinks of that. The reputations will be the important thing that the casino will want to reach because that means they will have a more big player to come to their place and play the games.

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Quote from: FontSeli on June 21, 2020, 04:44:55 PM

I think that the presence of such employees depends on the size and profitability of the casino. The larger the casino, the more serious and professional its security service is. I think the biggest casinos in Las Vegas and that's where the best security services in the world are.
For me, as a player, the main thing is that I can enjoy the game and no one interfered with it.

With this, it comes to my mind if securities are also focused to scout the players especially those who are winning too much to somehow do an act to investigate if that player is doing something fishy why he wins. I just watched film like this and I wonder if the actual physical casino staff does check the player or observe someone that wins consecutively. Because believe me or not, it is also scary to win in a row even if your wins basically comes from luck.

Going back, Casinos in Vegas do really have big team of employees to ensure that they can provide the best service. That is why I think online gambling sites are the most efficient since their employees are limited to Cybersecurity experts, web dev, programmers and internal staff.

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Quote from: peter0425 on June 22, 2020, 10:35:03 AM

Quote from: FontSeli on June 22, 2020, 09:57:57 AM

You yourself wrote that casinos do not like those who constantly win money. And if you think logically, it is almost impossible to constantly win money from the casino in an honest way.
Most likely, such people will also be banned from the casino. The reason may be that their method of permanent winnings is unknown to the security service.

well the system will surely detect if they are using bad method but if not?then their strategy is really good and that is why they are winning continuously .

As long us there are no cheating that happens their games ar elegit and must not be questioned.

Right. However, in this case, the presumption of innocence does not allow players to be accused of cheating. But the casino in order not to lose money constantly has to restrict such persons from entering its halls.

Quote from: coinfinger on June 22, 2020, 12:19:41 PM

To get a complete clear picture of a casino and their policy on each and every aspect of gambling then we must need to watch them for years still there could be more possibilities for them to keep changing their policies so that they could sustain on their business. We cannot blame them because it is their business model and we must need to agree with them before entering and playing.

It's better not to think about it at all. The main thing is to know that you have a chance to win and maybe earn a little money.

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Quote from: FontSeli on June 22, 2020, 09:57:57 AM

if you think logically, it is almost impossible to constantly win money from the casino in an honest way.
Most likely, such people will also be banned from the casino. The reason may be that their method of permanent winnings is unknown to the security service.

But I'm sure we cannot decode this part of casino. A casino's policy on consistently winning gambler is always hidden. If they believe they can make money out of a gambler then they will simply allow them to continue regardless of their short-term consistent winning. Because, houses will try in all possible methods to make them to spend/risk all their money before they will be leaving the house. So, in beginning they will not mind about continuous winning.

To get a complete clear picture of a casino and their policy on each and every aspect of gambling then we must need to watch them for years still there could be more possibilities for them to keep changing their policies so that they could sustain on their business. We cannot blame them because it is their business model and we must need to agree with them before entering and playing.

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Two things they will pamper you to the point that you will miss all the pampering and how they take care of you, when you are not playing, second, they will make you feel at home, and make you feel that you do not be want to be anywhere else but the casinos, if you already feel that way, well that's the time that they are going to make money from you.

Also this pampering can't be found anywhere else other than physical casinos because you can't be given special attention in online casinos which also compliments the time you spend in physical casinos. In online casinos you only play some games and then close your computer but it isn't actually the same in physical casinos, their hospitality, their atmosphere can't be matched by anything else, you just feel like there isn't anything better than those in the entire world when you are inside a casino.

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I've heard of another tactic. Major casinos have a database of undesirable individuals who have been caught cheating or are simply suspected of cheating. Such people will be denied access to the casino. II have also heard that major casinos exchange this database with each other. And if you get blacklisted in one Las Vegas casino, you may not be allowed in many others. This is also a good protection against cheaters.

It's not impossible, they are on the same business so they are into protecting their respective businesses, though they are competitors but when it comes to cheaters they are united with that. As the saying that I heard before, when you are a casino, they will love you when you keep losing money but if you keep winning, they will hate you and you are not welcome since you are a threat to their business.

I don't know, but is it also possible for a gambler to be ban in a casino even if he is not cheating because he is always winning?

You yourself wrote that casinos do not like those who constantly win money. And if you think logically, it is almost impossible to constantly win money from the casino in an honest way.
Most likely, such people will also be banned from the casino. The reason may be that their method of permanent winnings is unknown to the security service.

well the system will surely detect if they are using bad method but if not?then their strategy is really good and that is why they are winning continuously .

As long us there are no cheating that happens their games ar elegit and must not be questioned.

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