Topic: Plagiarism vs AI Posting (Read 901 times)

For me using AI is like you are cheating as we all know that the post made by an AI from your account is not from your own perspective which means it's not acceptable for me cause it's look like you are plagiarizing some others opinion  AI is made by human so technically speaking all the details delevered by an AI is from human too. So there's no point of using AI maybe it will make our task do faster but always remember the more you fast the more you failed.

Honestly, I don't know the motive why someone would use AI to create a post. Do they deliberately do this with the aim of creating high-quality content to gain merit? I don't think it's difficult if just comment, I wonder why there are people who like to use AI. Even though my post is not good, at least my writing represents what is in my head

First, before we look into why can't a user indicate that his or her content is Ai generated, we will have to look at why some users will want to use a CHATGPT in the first place.

Mostly, those who use it, use it to find an answer to a (maybe) complicated question which they believe could be of good knowledge or act as a good information to other forum users, who might in turn want to appreciate the user by giving merit.

So considering the above, we know that those who use CHATGPT, just as the op have said, use it to make them appear more intelligent and knowledgeable than they original are, and this they do, all for nothing but to earn more merit in the forum, so if earning merits be the goal, indicating the real source of the information they are sharing might just be a goal damager for them, since the real essence of using Ai in the first place, which is to appear more intelligent than they truly are, is completely defeated.

Going back to the op, I think since the forum already have a rule against plagiarism, same rule can apply to those who use CHATGPT to make post, or better still, let the forum allow campaign managers to discipline those users involved in such an act.

There's more to using of AI in generating post, why then can't a user of such never indicated the source of their contents to be AI generated, if you're giving out an idea, then let it be strictly on your personal own point of view, if you're collecting other ideas from different sources and yet claiming they are yours without you indicating their sources means you're not to be trusted with whatever you offer since they are not generic from you.

There are no rules in the forum that debars AI posting, except if it's used to outrightly break another forum rule.. the likes of the case on ground - where several accounts were banned for using Ai postings to Fish and HODL merits...
For me, I think it's not really much of a development technically - why? AIs will always be limited to varieties of naturally conceived ideas... ain't no way a bot be more intelligent than a human... For that reason, Coupled with the fact that it could actually help to enhance copywriters and programmer's skills, I don't really seem to see anything wrong with it..

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Well, it was in my childhood when I've been taught that pretending to be the author of other's work is wrong. If someone washed the dishes you shouldn't say that you've done that, if someone cleaned the room it's the same, if someone gave some idea you shouldn't pretend to be its author. Right, later in school you learn that taking other's work instead of yours is the same way incorrect, but it is based on what we learn at childhood, to claim to be the authors of only what we done ourselves, not of done by someone else.

Of course it's a crime and morally wrong, but let's not kid ourselves here and be honest. We know about plagiarism through education, research, and/or online forums like this one. It's not common sense. It is for you or me because we know about it, but I didn't learn it growing up playing with my friends. The concept was also not explained to me at the bar or when I was playing sports in my youth. My parents never told me not to copy someone else's content on the Internet. I learned about citation and the necessity to cite sources in school.   

Well, Plagiarism is totally a crime and I do not think you need to learn it during higher education, it's common sense which should be known to everyone.
Plagiarism is like theft, where you write someone else content and claim it to be yours. Those who are involved in Plagiarism, already know that they are doing it wrong.

Using ChatGPT or AI is not a crime as you can use it in some scenario's, but if you use it for posting or writing blogs/articles, then this is the same as doing a plagiarism. You need to put in your effort and do not copy paste stuff from AI else why the companies hire people to write content, they could use the AI tools if the purpose is to write via a bot.   

I would not really agree with that, because good or bad habits are adopted at an early age, when children should already begin to understand what is good or bad. If we consider that conscious plagiarism is a form of theft, we can conclude that this person has never understood that it is a bad thing to take something from someone else and say "it's mine".

In the online world, such inappropriate behavior is even more pronounced because the person who does it hides behind anonymity, and if he lives in an environment where he has never had problems with the law because he stole something, then how can you even explain to him that plagiarism is something bad?

That damned AI Chat is for some of them a gift they couldn't even dream of, and I consider it one of the biggest threats to human creativity and online communication.

Plagiarism is a concept you learn during higher education. We have people on Bitcointalk from all corners of the world. Some very educated, others on the border of illiteracy. Those from the bottom of the social scale don't give much thought to written text and would sometimes be surprised that those higher up on that same scale consider it stealing something that doesn't belong to you. It's no justification, just the way it is.   

I answer based on my personal assumptions and opinions

1# Campaign managers have the right to make their own rules, and I don't think those rules are up for debate.

2# Plagiarism is clearly prohibited and is very detrimental to the forum because plagiarism can bring the forum into the realm of law, therefore the forum prohibits all types of plagiarism because it avoids copyright claims.

As far as I know, plagiarism in text is about plagiarizing writing. It does not contain thoughts and ideas, so if you read an article and you rewrite it in your own style then it is not plagiarism even though the ideas you convey are the same as the content of the article. Articles you write in your own style will be included as Uniq articles

3# In the context of using AI, AI does not completely plagiarize writing and does not violate copyright claims (correct me if I'm wrong) so it is not considered plagiarism and it seems that there is no law that can claim copyright because the article is used by AI. If plagiarism regulations are used to avoid copyright claims then the use of AI does not violate copyright and does not need to be prohibited in forums

However, because the bitcointalk forum is a discussion forum, it would be unethical to use AI, the essence of the discussion would be lost because discussion is a place to share ideas, debate, look for ideas, share opinions, and so on. between humans and humans. If AI is used then it will no longer be a discussion, because discussions are born from the contents of the mind

Unfortunately, he is not the first (and certainly not the last) who wants to somehow justify the use of AI for the purpose of writing posts, and what I noticed is that such an opinion prevails among forum users who come from specific countries. I don't want to generalize and point the finger at anyone, but everyone who is a regular user of the forum could have already concluded that - and no, it is not only about some low ranks, but also members who are very well known and respected by their local community.

I remembered that @Pmalek opened a thread once Plagiarism as a result of cultural differences, and point 3 ("Those who have a different understanding of the plagiarism concept due to educational/cultural differences") is what I am talking about here. If someone has no problem lying or stealing in real life, they won't have the slightest problem behaving in the same way online.

In my opinion, using AI to create posts is the same as the spinning article model that was once popular in the blogging world. AI is more difficult to detect because of its ability to improvise and combine various articles into a new article that looks unique. I doubt whether in the future there will be tools capable of detecting AI-generated articles or not because AI will become more sophisticated as time goes by.

In terms of plagiarism, I find them to be essentially the same. Whilst conventional plagiarism will take the content from another source and place it here on the forum "passing it off as his own" (he may take the words for a "spin" first, which is all the same), copying text generated by an AI software and pasting it on the forum is still an attempt to, likewise, "pass it off as his own".

That is to say, the intent is the same, to deceive as to the true authorship of the content, be it a person or a machine, hoping to earn some kind of credit in the event.

The technical difference, from a moderation point of view, is that conventional plagiarism is easier to prove and reference against an external prior existing source, whilst AI generated content is much more difficult to pinpoint (if at all), and normally its use will become clear not by mere comparison to a given source, but by differences in the posting patterns of the poster.

It is not the first account from which an idea of tolerating AI posting is forced through the idea of using bots for improving the grammar. I guess some farmer of multiple accounts is very disappointed being caught with his AI posting and now tries to legitimize AI posts anyhow to abuse the forum with more of low quality posts written by bots to get some rewards for that and not being punished. It is a subject of earning for him so he is trying to make others to doubt that AI posts are not okay in any way.

Aside from the cheating aspect of this, that is using AI to create posts in this forum, in the real sense of it, Relying on AI to create posts, The negative effect is that it will turn you as a writer into becoming a dumb brain or person over time and at some point you will find it very difficult to be creative or even do anything aside ChatGPT. AI "ChatGPT" has both negative and positive effects, and I personally avoid using it when it comes to things that involve critical thinking and making a post that requires human reasoning such as posting on a forum like this.

I don't know why you replied to a post that is about 7 months old, but you didn't write anything smart considering how people who use their brains (still) communicate on this forum. I don't understand your thinking about "beautifying posts" with AI, because in the end it's not you, but some machine processed your post and released its "beautified" version.

As for those academics you mention, I would not agree that this is something completely normal, but as we see, it is becoming the "new normal" more and more. Those who invented all those AI chat bots want it to become normal and to get into every pore of society in order to profit even more from it, but in which direction does it actually lead?

Creating a board for AI posting is another way of supporting the use of AI while posting, just as SamReomo already advised, doing such will e courage for spamming and there's no point allowing for post's that are not generic from the poster, base on my understanding, using AI is just another way of falsification of posts because what you're posting isn't written by you, yet you wanted to use it as being the author to its contents, i will rather suggest that using AI is nothing but an advanced way of doing plagiarism without getting banned.

I don't think that creating a board for AI posting will be helpful at all since that board will be full of spam and only spammers would post in that board. The AI posts are highly disliked by the campaign managers because there isn't any input from the actual account holder buy from a bot that knows how to generate text.

The AI generative bots aren't as brilliant as humans in conversations and have their own weaknesses and sometimes instead of giving a proper answer they make up a non-sense answer and when user just copies and pastes that answer without knowing it deeply then that thing isn't called a good contribution to the forum at all.

Plagiarism is an act where someone copies another's work and posts it has their own without mentioning the original source while AI generative texts aren't a form of plagiarism but they are generated texts which an AI made after getting trained on wide library of text available on internet and also from books and journals.

The AI somehow makes their own texts from the trained datasets but those texts are mostly similar in nature and doesn't have any difference from one answer to other answer and the writing style is also similar. The use of AI generated posts can contribute to spamming only and it won't help to have any healthy discussions at all.

The point is for AI to help, not to replace. In percentages, it might be a max of 5-10% by the AI and 90% by you. If the number is the opposite, it means you are only representing AI here. This forum prevents robots from registering by implementing a captcha.
Do you always have to write a question prompt for your gf:

This forum accepts human grammar from any part of the world, which is a blessing because of the variety of native languages.