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Bitcoindata.science
March 18, 2023, 02:36:20 AM
#28
AI content is not crimes like plagiarism. Plagiarism means stealing someone's writing.  But the artificial intelligence of AI creates a content in its own way.  But AI can never create any new words, it collects information from Google or any other source, converts it into its own content with own strategy  and presents it to the customer. However, this forum declared AI posts not acceptable and added rules that no campaign  manager would accept AI posts and anyone using them would be kicked out of the campaign.  But I haven't seen any information that accounts will be banned for AI posts like Plagarism.  So of course AI content is less of a crime than plagiarism for this forum
AI posting should be treated just the same way as plagiarism because i see it as cheating the system, other campaign participants and fellow forum users. The main aim of banning users for plagiarism is to encourage authenticity and promote personal works and effort. If one must use AI to post, they should include reference to how the generated their post, Just the same way it is applicable to posting peoples work we provide links to their post.

Imagine every forum user uses AI generated posts to make threads, comments and replies, it will end up becoming a hall of spam and junk for the aim of hitting weekly quota and making post count. Also the merit system will be abused as well because it will be giving to people who don't deserve it.
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stead.builders
March 17, 2023, 10:51:46 AM
#27
But in the jurisdiction of Bitcointalk, do you think using bots to make or generate posts is ethical or should be acceptable?

Using AI is another advance way of making manipulations aimed at cheating others which should be unacceptable at any professional settings like this that has adequate moderacy, there's a campaign as well that promise to pay any one who could hunt down any of their participant found using AI to tell you it's something that could harm alot of things from the normal way it should be, how will you feels if you contact some and get a response from a programmed artificial intelligence bot.
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March 17, 2023, 04:02:15 AM
#26
If Plagiarism leads to ban, why is AI posting not leading to a ban?
Plagiarism is a legal offense and can throw you to jail,if you are found guilty because you stole someone work to claim that it is yours. These are two offenses,stealing and lying,which I see a good reason why its penalty is permanent banned and I support it.

Considering that any post(s), that is not well connected in meaning with a flowing conversation can be regarded as a spam. I therefore suggest that the forum make an overall rule against AI posting.
Forum members using Chatbot to generate post shouldn't be a severe punishment because it was done by AI which is welcome in our society,it is only that the information was not from the poster's knowledge but readers can learn something from it. I accept the punishment for using posting AI generated post which is that campaign managers should kick them out of the campaign without pay. If this is done always,I guess it will make people using it to stop it,if not they will not get a signature campaign
legendary
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March 17, 2023, 03:04:52 AM
#25
Has anyone seen this?

Introducing Microsoft 365 Copilot | Your Copilot for Work (YouTube)

Introducing Microsoft 365 Copilot – your copilot for work (blog)

Microsoft: 365 Copilot chatbot is the AI-based future of work

We recently started talking about Chat gpt3 and now we have version 4 which is integrated into Microsoft's 365 copilot. From now on it will be used massively to write Word documents or to create a PowerPoint that you can just check after created

It seems to me that in the forum we will continue mowing by hand while the rest of the world will enthusiastically start using the mowing machine.
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March 16, 2023, 11:20:04 PM
#24
AI posting is not acceptable in the forum because this a place for a discussion and not a QA from a bot that getting answer on the internet without stating the source on the post.

Technically it is, we have lots of  questions been asked daily and AI could be programmed to answer those questions as they're been asked. They can also be programed to provide links to the source where the got the information from. If this is done then the forum won't consider it plagiarism right? Of course not so an AI account can get away with that. This can even be ongoing and the account might go unnoticed for a while but will eventually be identified as an AI account since all the posts will be looking similar (providing answer to a quest been asked with links to sources).

Provided an AI provides the source to where she got the answers been supplied to the questions been asked, we can't call that plagiarism although I don't think any manager will accept such account into their campaign since it'll be unethical paying someone for just copy pasting answers already existing on the internet without adding any personal thoughts/reasoning to it.
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March 16, 2023, 12:30:56 PM
#23
chatGPT is very popular for creating content for youtube and article blogs because it generates free not plagiarized articles and the thing is Google loves AI-generated articles it is based on their algo on how they check unique articles and I heard once Google develop software that can detect AI generated articles I'm sure they will outrank YouTube contents and blogs that mostly use generated articles.

It's not a crime but a fraud so I think AI generated shouldn't be counted on the campaign and the forum should have a strict rule about using AI because it can affect the forum in the future once they develop software to outrank who use AI generated text.

I have seen a lot of content creators on youtube about AI, but most of them are just clickbait in the title. Notice that in the various channels you will find on the utube platform.

    For example in the Thumbnail it says you can earn 1000$ using AIchatgpt, but when you watch it the content is very far from the title made in the thumbnail. It seems like it's really just for views, AI chatgpt was only used for influencers to make money,
legendary
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March 16, 2023, 11:48:09 AM
#22
In my opinion the use of artificial intelligence should not be recommended here on the forum, although it should not be considered a crime anyway.

The use of AI will make it difficult to distinguish between members who already have experience and members who rely solely on AI to write their posts.

This case can be likened to using a calculator in children. Making children use a calculator to perform simple arithmetic operations will lead to a decrease in the student's use of his mental skill, which leads to a negative result. We can say that this is the same for the use of artificial intelligence.
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March 16, 2023, 11:48:00 AM
#21
Considering that any post(s), that is not well connected in meaning with a flowing conversation can be regarded as a spam. I therefore suggest that the forum make an overall rule against AI posting.
I agree with this. if you ask me, using content generated by AI and using it as yours should be considered the same as plagiarism and should have the same consequence as plagiarism.

I see that many people have agreed that something needs to be done about AI posting in the forum. AI is good for usage and not a crime, but in a discussion forum like this, we agreed it is unethical to use AI.
Then even the admin and moderators are in agreement that AI isn't accepted in the forum. Then AI generated posts are also being reported to moderators for deletion.
Let's therefore wait for the admin when they will come up with cogent rule about AI posting in the forum. For now, our only available tool is reporting to moderators.
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March 16, 2023, 09:55:12 AM
#20
Albert Einstein said three things will destroy a man; technology, women and gambling. The advancement of technology has caused more harm than good already. We now live in a world where people don't like using natural gifted sense anymore but rely on technology to solve every of their problems. Plagiarism is stealing someone's work without Acknowledgement. AI can not receive same punishment as plagiarism in my own opinion thou.
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Dimon69
March 16, 2023, 09:24:11 AM
#19
AI posting is not acceptable in the forum because this a place for a discussion and not a QA from a bot that getting answer on the internet without stating the source on the post.

You can’t see emotion on ChatGPT post that makes them too dull for a conversation. With that being said. ChatGPT is a lazy tool if it’s being for the forum that meant for sharing opinion rather than quoting someone article which the AI is doing.
legendary
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March 16, 2023, 09:20:27 AM
#18
Considering that any post(s), that is not well connected in meaning with a flowing conversation can be regarded as a spam. I therefore suggest that the forum make an overall rule against AI posting.
I agree with this. if you ask me, using content generated by AI and using it as yours should be considered the same as plagiarism and should have the same consequence as plagiarism.

AI is actually useful. I have to admit, I also use it, but not to generate posts for me. Instead, I use it to correct my sentences since I'm not very good at English, as it is not my native language.
if you are having trouble with your sentences, you are better off using Grammarly instead of AI like chatgpt. I've been using Grammarly for years now.
legendary
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March 16, 2023, 07:51:23 AM
#17


AI is actually useful. I have to admit, I also use it, but not to generate posts for me. Instead, I use it to correct my sentences since I'm not very good at English, as it is not my native language.
Useful indeed but not to the point that it is the one giving you input if you're just using it to make your idea comprehensible then it's okay but if its the one providing the idea for you then you have become its tool for promotion and this is not good we stopped being human with intelligent and just become a puppet of AI's.
legendary
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March 16, 2023, 07:24:53 AM
#16
As far as I understood from the decisions of the moderators, some accounts that published posts from the chatbot were deleted, and users who were completely new had their accounts destroyed. Other accounts weren't banned; they just had their AI posts removed. I can assume that those accounts that were not banned still received a temporary ban. At least, I don't see them active yet.
I agree with hilariousandco recent post that it takes time to consider a decision on AI posts; however, such posts should be reported so as not to turn the forum into a society of robots.


Yes, please do, though obviously they will need a little more verification so might not get handled straight away. It's probably going to get out of hand fast with these issues now. Personally, I think it might be wise to look into disabling sigs on all new users/lower ranks until people have earned the right to have one through acquiring a large amount of merit.
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March 16, 2023, 06:58:53 AM
#15
...and also few members were banned for abusing AI tools to farm account and fish merits but its more of mods choice if I am not wrong.

That's interesting. Are you sure the accounts you write about were banned for abusing AI tools? Can you give me one concrete example of an account that was banned for such actions? Exactly for using AI tools. I think that they were banned for other violations, because the moderators do not have a specific decision about the AI posts at the moment.
Myself don't know exactly they were banned for using AI but it looks like the user https://bpip.org/Profile?p=hasan21 banned for spamming using AI tools with the reference of this thread : Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?

Because generally for spam the user will get temp ban unless they committed the mistake multiple times in the past and didn't change their posting behaviour even after temp ban but this user got permanent ban straight away correct me if I am wrong.

Or maybe he got a permanent ban for plagiarism. There was a complaint about this user right here. Either way, we don't have a specific rule about using AI tools. In principle, we don't need such a rule. For such posts (topics) you can use existing rules ( p. 1, for example).
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March 16, 2023, 05:38:42 AM
#14
For me, the only difference between plagiarized content and content created by AI is that the latter is harder to detect and prove without a doubt. Both should without a doubt be in the same category when it comes to punishment, because there is no justification for someone wanting to present something that he did not create as his own.



That's interesting. Are you sure the accounts you write about were banned for abusing AI tools? Can you give me one concrete example of an account that was banned for such actions? Exactly for using AI tools. I think that they were banned for other violations, because the moderators do not have a specific decision about the AI posts at the moment.

Look here and further posts, and this shows that at least one of the forum staff takes this problem seriously and that such users will be nuked/permabanned.
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March 16, 2023, 04:54:59 AM
#13
...and also few members were banned for abusing AI tools to farm account and fish merits but its more of mods choice if I am not wrong.

That's interesting. Are you sure the accounts you write about were banned for abusing AI tools? Can you give me one concrete example of an account that was banned for such actions? Exactly for using AI tools. I think that they were banned for other violations, because the moderators do not have a specific decision about the AI posts at the moment.
Myself don't know exactly they were banned for using AI but it looks like the user https://bpip.org/Profile?p=hasan21 banned for spamming using AI tools with the reference of this thread : Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?

Because generally for spam the user will get temp ban unless they committed the mistake multiple times in the past and didn't change their posting behaviour even after temp ban but this user got permanent ban straight away correct me if I am wrong.
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March 16, 2023, 04:38:12 AM
#12
It should not be allowed; we have to prevent the domination of AI. Otherwise, there will be no real accounts here in the forum. If we fully rely on AI, it is like allowing robots to do the job for us, so I believe it should not be tolerated. I am not an expert in spotting AI-generated posts, so I guess every campaign manager is fully aware of this, and they are doing their best to prevent that from happening.

AI is actually useful. I have to admit, I also use it, but not to generate posts for me. Instead, I use it to correct my sentences since I'm not very good at English, as it is not my native language.
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March 16, 2023, 04:31:50 AM
#11
...and also few members were banned for abusing AI tools to farm account and fish merits but its more of mods choice if I am not wrong.

That's interesting. Are you sure the accounts you write about were banned for abusing AI tools? Can you give me one concrete example of an account that was banned for such actions? Exactly for using AI tools. I think that they were banned for other violations, because the moderators do not have a specific decision about the AI posts at the moment.
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March 16, 2023, 03:06:06 AM
#10
Theymos is yet to implement any rules about AI posts so as of now those are considered as spam and constantly removed when mods find it and also few members were banned for abusing AI tools to farm account and fish merits but its more of mods choice if I am not wrong.

I hope there will be an update in the forum rules regarding this, atleast it should be have some warning sign like this post is created by AI so it won't be used for abusing the campaigns.

Do you guys this there will be any changes in the rules of bitcointalk after the evolution of AI?
legendary
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March 16, 2023, 02:31:19 AM
#9
Well it depends on the topic. Im sure this will be hard for project managers on campaign to ruled out yhose who yaking advantage of chatgpt since then can gemerate potential content for such topic right? But it can be noticed they way someone will use the content if he can able to tweak it to avoid such plagiarism then its much better.

For me using chatgpt isnt a crime, but they make some posters to be lazy and not to do thinking on their posting but relying already on such given information.
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