chatGPT is very popular for creating content for youtube and article blogs because it generates free not plagiarized articles and the thing is Google loves AI-generated articles it is based on their algo on how they check unique articles and I heard once Google develop software that can detect AI generated articles I'm sure they will outrank YouTube contents and blogs that mostly use generated articles.
AI content is not crimes like plagiarism. Plagiarism means stealing someone's writing. But the artificial intelligence of AI creates a content in its own way. But AI can never create any new words, it collects information from Google or any other source, converts it into its own content with own strategy and presents it to the customer. However, this forum declared AI posts not acceptable and added rules that no campaign manager would accept AI posts and anyone using them would be kicked out of the campaign. But I haven't seen any information that accounts will be banned for AI posts like Plagarism. So of course AI content is less of a crime than plagiarism for this forum
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The technology sure is scary. But I think in any case you can tell if you're talking to a real person or a bot.
In the end the bot's problem is that it doesn't understand the context, it uses the sentences by manipulating them. At least as far as I understand.
In the end the bot's problem is that it doesn't understand the context, it uses the sentences by manipulating them. At least as far as I understand.
I agree with this since in todays AI technology, there is still that difference that you are talking to a bot compared to a human thru chats. But is is scary to think that they are becoming more human in the way they construct conversations. In terms of plagiarism, I think, this is not a fair way of engaging in forums since it is more of human discussion and thoughts sharing. Also, I agree that you can't get something from that since you are not the one who personally make it, you might have an idea but you wouldn't get the whole context of it.
What you say is true, the fear is that you'll find yourself talking to bots.
But even there it's easy to tell when it's a bot or a human.
A human gets angry, curses, insults. A bot is always polite and respectful of the other. So it's easy to understand
The technology sure is scary. But I think in any case you can tell if you're talking to a real person or a bot.
In the end the bot's problem is that it doesn't understand the context, it uses the sentences by manipulating them. At least as far as I understand.
In the end the bot's problem is that it doesn't understand the context, it uses the sentences by manipulating them. At least as far as I understand.
I agree with this since in todays AI technology, there is still that difference that you are talking to a bot compared to a human thru chats. But is is scary to think that they are becoming more human in the way they construct conversations. In terms of plagiarism, I think, this is not a fair way of engaging in forums since it is more of human discussion and thoughts sharing. Also, I agree that you can't get something from that since you are not the one who personally make it, you might have an idea but you wouldn't get the whole context of it.
The technology sure is scary. But I think in any case you can tell if you're talking to a real person or a bot.
In the end the bot's problem is that it doesn't understand the context, it uses the sentences by manipulating them. At least as far as I understand.
In the end the bot's problem is that it doesn't understand the context, it uses the sentences by manipulating them. At least as far as I understand.
The AI has been a hot topic these days and there have been some discussions that whether we would categorise it under plagiarism or not.The AI bots give you content based on the questions asked by you and combining all the information they have to present a answer which has no original author so it would not come under direct plagiarism but I would call it under the similar one because you are not contributing anything towards it so do you call it your post? There are some people who can take hints from it and then write their own posts in forum context but those who didn't tweak it a little are doing the wrong thing which should be avoided.
They are just doing it to earn merits but in reality is it contributing something to their knowledge enhancement? No so why use them? See the technology and future era is AI dominated but human brain still have the capability to advance them and you can always try them like search different things with ChatGPT and see what context it give you but writing same as it is on forum is not right according to me although we don't have punishment for them ar the time.
They are just doing it to earn merits but in reality is it contributing something to their knowledge enhancement? No so why use them? See the technology and future era is AI dominated but human brain still have the capability to advance them and you can always try them like search different things with ChatGPT and see what context it give you but writing same as it is on forum is not right according to me although we don't have punishment for them ar the time.
Well it depends on the topic. Im sure this will be hard for project managers on campaign to ruled out yhose who yaking advantage of chatgpt since then can gemerate potential content for such topic right? But it can be noticed they way someone will use the content if he can able to tweak it to avoid such plagiarism then its much better.
It could be hard to detect the AI generated posts but we can indentify them through different tools available on the internet or more commonly the AI posts can't be overlooked not making sense and mixing up some sentences from the first impression only.So the campaign managers can find out members writing posts with the help of AI chatbots.I would say it's good because if you can't write something of your own and just copying the content and still think you deserve to get paid for it? Then they can simply create accounts and write posts for campaign promotion using ChatGPT .So use your brain and write posts of your own.Just to throw more fire on the topic, what about asking to AI this:
Can the usage of chat GPT in a forum be considered plagiarism?
Here is what we get:
It depends on how the Chat GPT is being used in the forum. If a user is simply using the Chat GPT to generate posts without adding any original content or insights, then it could be considered plagiarism.
However, if the Chat GPT is being used to assist a user in generating their own original content, then it would not be considered plagiarism. In this scenario, the user would be responsible for reviewing and editing the content generated by the Chat GPT to ensure that it meets the standards of the forum and is not plagiarized from other sources.
Ultimately, the use of Chat GPT or any other AI tool in a forum should be used ethically and responsibly to ensure that original content is being created and that plagiarism is avoided.
Basically it seems aligned with the majority of posts I've seen so far here...in the end it depends on the end user ethics and responsibility for now, as we have no clear rules regarding the subject.
Would be interesting to have a system where we could flag posts as "AI usage" for further checkage by another AI, and after confirmed we could start discussing the sanctions about it (such as merit loss, soft bans, etc...)
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I think the what we should prioritize now is to implement new rules regarding AI. We all know that AI generates unplagiarized writings on its own way and of course the main purpose of that is become aid to lessen the number of hours spent on creating from scratch. That is also the reason it can cause negative effects on the forum, since it is now easier to construct posts with the aid of AI generated ideas so all the poster have to do is just search and copy paste it. Of course replying to a post is hard since you still have to manually construct your own reply before posting but creating a topic or making threads are now easier to do. What I usually do is just search for a topic and let AI explain it to me and use it as a reference to create my own post. AI really is a huge help in searching not only because it can create well written posts but also it filters a lot of unnecessary informations to save you time from searching it manually.
The AI tools like ChatGPT are created for good but they are now widely miss used. The assignments given by teachers in schools/universities are now done mostly by students using ChatGPT. The down side of such approach is that students are not using the brain to search for data and do the hard work rather do the assignments with comfort. I have tried ChatGPT and at times it give wrong answers but students have developed blind faith in this tool. If you use AI tools to generate posts here then it will affect our ability to communicate with people here in the long run and not many are willing to accept this fact.
I think the what we should prioritize now is to implement new rules regarding AI. We all know that AI generates unplagiarized writings on its own way and of course the main purpose of that is become aid to lessen the number of hours spent on creating from scratch. That is also the reason it can cause negative effects on the forum, since it is now easier to construct posts with the aid of AI generated ideas so all the poster have to do is just search and copy paste it. Of course replying to a post is hard since you still have to manually construct your own reply before posting but creating a topic or making threads are now easier to do. What I usually do is just search for a topic and let AI explain it to me and use it as a reference to create my own post. AI really is a huge help in searching not only because it can create well written posts but also it filters a lot of unnecessary informations to save you time from searching it manually.
The AI has been a hot topic these days and there have been some discussions that whether we would categorise it under plagiarism or not.The AI bots give you content based on the questions asked by you and combining all the information they have to present a answer which has no original author so it would not come under direct plagiarism but I would call it under the similar one because you are not contributing anything towards it so do you call it your post? There are some people who can take hints from it and then write their own posts in forum context but those who didn't tweak it a little are doing the wrong thing which should be avoided.
They are just doing it to earn merits but in reality is it contributing something to their knowledge enhancement? No so why use them? See the technology and future era is AI dominated but human brain still have the capability to advance them and you can always try them like search different things with ChatGPT and see what context it give you but writing same as it is on forum is not right according to me although we don't have punishment for them ar the time.
They are just doing it to earn merits but in reality is it contributing something to their knowledge enhancement? No so why use them? See the technology and future era is AI dominated but human brain still have the capability to advance them and you can always try them like search different things with ChatGPT and see what context it give you but writing same as it is on forum is not right according to me although we don't have punishment for them ar the time.
Well it depends on the topic. Im sure this will be hard for project managers on campaign to ruled out yhose who yaking advantage of chatgpt since then can gemerate potential content for such topic right? But it can be noticed they way someone will use the content if he can able to tweak it to avoid such plagiarism then its much better.
It could be hard to detect the AI generated posts but we can indentify them through different tools available on the internet or more commonly the AI posts can't be overlooked not making sense and mixing up some sentences from the first impression only.So the campaign managers can find out members writing posts with the help of AI chatbots.I would say it's good because if you can't write something of your own and just copying the content and still think you deserve to get paid for it? Then they can simply create accounts and write posts for campaign promotion using ChatGPT .So use your brain and write posts of your own. 
I think The value of Bitcoin is highly volatile, and its price can fluctuate significantly in a short period of time. This makes it a risky investment, and some experts warn that the cryptocurrency may be in a speculative bubble.
And that's exactly what the future holds for the forum if spammers are allowed to use this tool.
I looked at GPT Chat, a very handy application for schoolchildren to prepare reports or abstracts, but when using this tool for writing posts, you will not earn merit.
how do you understand if the writer is a bot or not, it seems to me very difficult
This is the first question about the theme that comes to mind
This is the first question about the theme that comes to mind
Hey mate, actually, there are new AIs being released in order to figure out if any text has been created by an AI, you can see one example from Open AI itself below:
https://openai.com/blog/new-ai-classifier-for-indicating-ai-written-text
Just to add more fire, there are also some AI tools for camouflaging your AI usage out there.
I really do think that this discussion is necessary and if you are not understanding why the fuzz around it, maybe it would be an interesting moment to try it more often and engage in this kind of discussions as the disruptive power of that tech will, most probably, will impact your life inside and outside of this forum.
how do you understand if the writer is a bot or not, it seems to me very difficult
This is the first question about the theme that comes to mind
secondly, they are actually two different things
I don't understand all this hype about chatGPT, I may be ignorant, but I don't understand it
This is the first question about the theme that comes to mind
secondly, they are actually two different things
I don't understand all this hype about chatGPT, I may be ignorant, but I don't understand it
AI is actually useful. I have to admit, I also use it, but not to generate posts for me. Instead, I use it to correct my sentences since I'm not very good at English, as it is not my native language.
if you are having trouble with your sentences, you are better off using Grammarly instead of AI like chatgpt. I've been using Grammarly for years now.AI is very useful, but it should not be abused to the point where you are cheating just to get your job done.
Most topics in the forum are pretty lame anyway. You don't need the AI's opinion on those. When you are about to make a post on a serious matter, you can ask chatGPT's opinion, understand it and then repost it with your own sentences. Nobody will really notice that they are talking to an AI bot. But I think you don't need to take this forum that seriously. There isn't anything to gain. Even if you come up with the most sensible answers to the most serious questions, nobody will care.
Right now people are using chatgpt to make posts without being smart. They ask a question and copy/paste the answer without making any modifications to it. That's because people who use chatGPT to make posts don't know much of a Engrish in the first place.
It is like giving a monkey a machine gun. A soldier can use a machine gun effectively and kill lots of enemies but in the hands of a monkey you don't know who is going to be the next target because the monkey has no brains to use the gun effectively. He will just randomly press any buttons he can, shoot anything he can, sometimes himself too
... No aim needed.
Right now people are using chatgpt to make posts without being smart. They ask a question and copy/paste the answer without making any modifications to it. That's because people who use chatGPT to make posts don't know much of a Engrish in the first place.
It is like giving a monkey a machine gun. A soldier can use a machine gun effectively and kill lots of enemies but in the hands of a monkey you don't know who is going to be the next target because the monkey has no brains to use the gun effectively. He will just randomly press any buttons he can, shoot anything he can, sometimes himself too
... No aim needed.I just want to correct a little bit of what you said, there is a small brain unlike that of a human, so a monkey can't immediately understand such things if we compare it to a human mind or brain.
Now, let's go back to the topic, there are others like the community here in the forum who in their understanding of plagiarism and AI are equally agreeable to them. The problem is because as you mentioned, others just copy and paste without editing. For example, I made a question in Chatgpt because when I made a question, chatgpt gave an answer that was created as a question, now is AI's answer to my question when I copy it, can it be called plagiarism?
Theymos is yet to implement any rules about AI posts so as of now those are considered as spam and constantly removed when mods find it and also few members were banned for abusing AI tools to farm account and fish merits but its more of mods choice if I am not wrong.
I hope there will be an update in the forum rules regarding this, atleast it should be have some warning sign like this post is created by AI so it won't be used for abusing the campaigns.
Do you guys this there will be any changes in the rules of bitcointalk after the evolution of AI?
i see that theymos will not apply strict rules to posters using AI, strict rules regarding the use of AI should be applied by the bounty manager of the signature campaign itself but over time we will can distinguish which users are using AI to make posts and which are not.I hope there will be an update in the forum rules regarding this, atleast it should be have some warning sign like this post is created by AI so it won't be used for abusing the campaigns.
Do you guys this there will be any changes in the rules of bitcointalk after the evolution of AI?
the use of AI in a post will only make the poster look like a coward!!
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Today I found some posts from AI about how they want to revive them. The user just added the phrase "I think", but he doesn't even bother to change the capitalization.
Today I found some posts from AI about how they want to revive them. The user just added the phrase "I think", but he doesn't even bother to change the capitalization.
This is just proof that it does not mean that someone will necessarily look "smart" if they use AI, but the exact opposite will happen. If you don't understand some of the basics of what you're asking the AI, then you can't even correct some mistakes that the AI can make.
What is certain is that some will try to "disguise" artificially created posts in a similar way (but also in some new innovative ways) as they do with plagiarism. However, as long as there are those who do not like such behavior, all of them will have a problem, regardless of how intelligent the AI they use is.
If Plagiarism leads to ban, why is AI posting not leading to a ban?
Considering that any post(s), that is not well connected in meaning with a flowing conversation can be regarded as a spam. I therefore suggest that the forum make an overall rule against AI posting.
Else a board should be created for AI posting where signature does not display, incase we don't want to fight a fast evolving technology.
Plagiarism is different from AI bot as I understand so I rather go with the suggestion of OP to create room for where only AI posts are allowed to exist and campaign signatures shouldn't be recognize there. And default of such outside thay provided area for AI posts should be treated as an offence with a definitely clearly stated punishment just like in the case with plagiarism that's clearly stated.
Imagine the situation that in x years you come to the forum and start looking for old members, and you only find a bunch of unknown accounts discussing some crazy things - only to realize later that they are not actually people, but AI bots that respond to each other literally every 5 seconds
In addition, the forum will lose the meaning of communication. If someone today understands whether a post was written by a person or a robot, he can perfectly distinguish all the dryness of answers from AI. Imagine a forum where there are only general conclusions, no jokes, and no different emotions, but some kind of parody of a short Wikipedia. Does anyone like it?
Today I found some posts from AI about how they want to revive them. The user just added the phrase "I think", but he doesn't even bother to change the capitalization.
I think The value of Bitcoin is highly volatile, and its price can fluctuate significantly in a short period of time. This makes it a risky investment, and some experts warn that the cryptocurrency may be in a speculative bubble.
And that's exactly what the future holds for the forum if spammers are allowed to use this tool.
It's not a good idea at all to ask the AI a question and then post the answer immediately here. Because, in reality, it isn't your content. Because AI is free to use for anybody and is akin to copying and pasting, you shouldn't get banned for this. But, you can get data from AI and share it here. Don't just copy and paste the entire article. However the AI creates information that is challenging to detect.
Has anyone seen this?
I saw that version 4 is coming soon and is much more advanced than the previous version (I think that topic has been moved to an off-topic). I didn't know that something like that would be integrated into one of the most popular OS, although I'm not sure if that option is something that comes as part of a paid service package or if it will be free for everyone?
It seems to me that in the forum we will continue mowing by hand while the rest of the world will enthusiastically start using the mowing machine.
I don't see that it's a bad option, because people should communicate using their brains and keyboards, and not create posts by asking AI a question and then copy/paste something they probably don't understand. Such content can be of high quality, but if we accept it as something normal, we can admit that the age of humans is over and that the age of AI thoughts is beginning.
Imagine the situation that in x years you come to the forum and start looking for old members, and you only find a bunch of unknown accounts discussing some crazy things - only to realize later that they are not actually people, but AI bots that respond to each other literally every 5 seconds
AI content is not crimes like plagiarism. Plagiarism means stealing someone's writing. But the artificial intelligence of AI creates a content in its own way. But AI can never create any new words, it collects information from Google or any other source, converts it into its own content with own strategy and presents it to the customer. However, this forum declared AI posts not acceptable and added rules that no campaign manager would accept AI posts and anyone using them would be kicked out of the campaign. But I haven't seen any information that accounts will be banned for AI posts like Plagarism. So of course AI content is less of a crime than plagiarism for this forum
AI posting should be treated just the same way as plagiarism because i see it as cheating the system, other campaign participants and fellow forum users. The main aim of banning users for plagiarism is to encourage authenticity and promote personal works and effort. If one must use AI to post, they should include reference to how the generated their post, Just the same way it is applicable to posting peoples work we provide links to their post.Jump to: