Topic: Playing HYIP's and Who to Avoid - AVOID Bitcoin-Trader & Rockwell-Partners.com - page 8. (Read 13912 times)

Yonce - tyvm for your detailed response above.

A few more questions if you don't mind (and once again tytytytyty for being so open about it, I have never heard the rational viewpoint on these until you)

1)  Did the liberty reserve debacle kill you guys?  Is that akin to the Neteller or Full Tilt debacle?  or "black friday" to us online poker players?

2) This "Soild Trust Pay" seems to be the currency of HYIP, although you bet your ass it's moving to bitcoin when they see how easily and freely they can pwn the /gambling section and how many idiots will send them coins immediately, no washing, no payment system shutdowns, etc.   ok anyway I read this:

NOTE - SolidTrust Pay does NOT accept adult, pharmaceutical, dating, gambling, firearm, tobacco, lottery or casino businesses of any kind.

and why won't this thing just get Liberty Reserve'd ?

Interesting Rockwell Partners Solid Trust Pay account got suspended for a day or two. Might have been trying to cash out funds a little too quickly. But during that short suspension they already had a new account accepting new deposits. I already sense the oncoming crash of this program.

It may strike you as odd if you don't play HYIP's or know a thing or two about them. I'm guessing the pyramid scheme guy had money to make off you if he was trying to sell you one. These "companies" are free to take up an attorney (lol), but that would require them opening up about their identities lol. My entire list will come to pass. I tell people how the HYIP system works, and I tell them about ones via PM if they want to hear about them. I purposely do that via PM and don't offer referral links to show people I am not trying to pump up certain HYIP's for a commission. I don't need to sell any one. I do feel obligated though to protect the Bitcoin community and the value of my own Bitcoin.

Btc-arbs an easy one? Was raked over the coals for calling that one out and look how poorly it ended and so soon. Well hindsight is always 20/20 isn't it?

Forgive me but this whole thread strikes me as odd.

The OP is "warning us" to stay away from what he deems hyip companies but then offers to share his list of trustworthy hyip businesses but only via private message.

btc-arbs is an easy one, but where is the evidence on the others? I don't know enough about any of them to say one way or the other but my attorney father in law would call that slander and defamation.

I had a pyramid scheme guy once warn me about all the pyramid schemes as well. Then he tried to sell me his pyramid scheme.   

Haven't discussed this, but someone brought it up to me in a PM and thought I would share. If a HYIP publicizes stats like we have a million in deposits and such and such in payouts, good chance they are not telling the truth. The HYIP's with truly millions in deposits and millions hundreds of thousands in payouts don't publicize it. Be extra cautious when short term sites advertise their stats - don't believe those stats.

Added mydailybitcoin to the list.

Congrats!!

Just giving you an update on my end just withdrew .77166 BTC took two minutes and had deposited .63 so nice little .14166 BTC over 3 days isn't to bad I guess. Looking into your choices for right now and hope to get your referral links soon via PM. Thanks again Yonce!

Good Luck! I'll keep updating!

I agree with you Yonce. I hope "investors" know that there is not an underlying business. I recently started playing HYIP's becasue they are absolutely fascinating to me, but never staying in long enough or putting in large sums of BTC that would over leverage myself. I am actually going to be taking your advice and withdrawing funds from another I am currently in and moving them to another. I look forward to your updates and your insight on HYIP's.

I do believe most of the "investors" believe there is no underlying business, or at the least understand there's a game over point. A lot of the members are repeat players like me and many are part of big downlines of the power promoters out there hired by the admins. Some of these power promoters charge big bucks to the admins to always be included in their new program announcements. It is all marketing and the entire industry is controlled by a handful of people. I've come to find out all sorts of interesting things over the years about the industry; the acquiring of COMODO EV SSL certificates anonymously by HYIP admins from Skype vendors and the cashing out of Solid Trust Pay funds anonymously also by Skype vendors. With the right info and right people in your ear you can have a near perfect track record. There's always bad players at the game and there always will be.

The bitcoin dynamic has brought something new. Admins that are not part of the small group of repeat admins are launching programs where I do believe the majority of people are not aware they are playing a HYIP. We've already seen this a couple of times - leancy and btc-arbs being the two biggest ones to hit the community. Neither were successful for players. Seeing people completely decline my thoughts as false about outing those HYIP's reminds me of when I first started playing where there was complete blindness and people believed the business to be real with every ounce of their being.

1)  as a professional gambler I've long been intrigued by the social constructs behind HYIPs
2)  I understand that savvy humans can game this system for personal profit from the "investor" side
3)  yonce - it seems you know a *ton* about this world - do you mind debating the merits of these with me?  If not I understand this is your self-moderated thread, but the entire HYIP concept is simply fascinating to me.  My first question would be asking if you believe most "investors" understand that there are no underlying businesses?  Or do you think they buy the "arbitrage" line?  IMO the entire game is marketing - the more you market, the more the donks will fire - so your strategy of being close to the guys that market them is no doubt important.

I've been getting quite a few PM's asking me about Oil Rig Contractors so I thought I'd make a public post about it. I don't personally play "after 1 day" programs but I can offer some insight. If you choose to take these types of risks, don't invest in anything but the 1 day plans. It's common for those admins to block accounts when deposits mature in the 3 day, 5 day and so on plans that offer hundreds of percent in return. In particular this admin, his programs are hit or miss. His last one barely lasted one cycle. This one is more successful, but too chaotic for my blood and stability is not found in any ounce of this program.

I believe Rockwell or Bitcoin-Trader will be the next to collapse out of the big nasty scam sites targeting Bitcoiners. I am leaning more towards Rockwell. The admin of http://rockwell-partners.com - who is also the admin of btc-arbs is offering HYIP STP exchangers discounts to cash out larger amounts of STP into easy irreversible funds (STP to Perfect Money). Always a big red flag of an upcoming scam.

I am going to add a website link to this post so more people can see it through google.

Just saw a referral link in a post for Bitcofinancial. It may be the beginning of a massive campaign into the bitcoin world. They may be ramping up advertising on bitcoin advertising networks, etc. Do not fall for it please. The admin is not trustworthy and they are trying to replicate the successful scam of btc-arbs.

Kleine, you can always PM and find out for yourself if it is fishy and report back here. I just ask that if you do, not to post the different HYIP programs I mention to you. I don't want to turn the thread into public promotion of different HYIP's without any other information to go on. I like to talk to people that I tell my picks to and keep a dialogue with them always open.

Like I mentioned, my advice on what programs are good I will mention in PM without any referral links. My purpose is to protect this community from the worst. If you don't want to PM me then that is fine too. Just don't put any money into the ones I have mentioned here. This thread is to discuss strategies and call out the worst. My personal picks are not to be promoted publicly and discussed publicly either. If you want advice, I offer it free of charge in PM with no referral link offered unless you specifically want one from me.

I'm not interested in discussing it privately though.

You start a thread saying "don't invest in them, but I'll tell you who to invest in private".. Yeah, sounds fishy to me.

I can share names and details by PM where my strategies and information have took me to. I can discuss numbers privately as well. I do not offer any referral links either unless expressly asked for one. Even names of good programs in public here without any referral links have caused a stir. I want to dedicate the thread to the protection of the Bitcoin community, informing people who don't realize they actually might be in a HYIP, and keeping them out of the bad ones.

Fair enough. Which programs would you consider safe then?