Topic: Police State? - page 5. (Read 25908 times)

If a policeman committed the type of crime on trial at Nuremburg, of course he would be held responsible.

Anyway, the issue you have is with the voters.  Employing a policeman who would not enforce laws would be like employing a butcher who would not cut meat.

Well, yes, I'd have to agree that having a system which allows people to initiate force by proxy upon people definitely is the root cause of the problem. Which is why I'm an anarchist. But if the people on the "pointy end of the spear," as it were, would refuse to do that initiating, it would also prevent the result. But they don't, and instead fall back on "I'm just enforcing the law."

That excuse didn't fly at Nuremberg, and it doesn't fly with me.

The voters raise the taxes that pay for the cages and demand the laws that require people be put into the cages.  That's where the problem lies.

I'm blaming the cop for the actions of the cop. The voters don't people into cages for trading dried flowers. The cops do. The only person who is responsible for your actions is you. No matter who, or how many, tell you to do something, That doesn't absolve you of responsibility.

Again, you are looking to blame the cop for action of the voters.  That does not make sense.

Hey, guess what? Just like the individual soldier given a bad order, an individual cop can refuse to enforce a bad law. Cops don't get to say they were "just following orders" either.

Don't blame the police for the decisions of the voters.

gweedo, if a person does both good and bad things. Lets say he is a rapist but works really hard and gives lots of money to charity. Does this excuse him of his crimes? does this make his crimes not crimes?

part of a cops job is to kidnap innocent people against their wills in order that they be locked away in a rape dungeon for the rest of their lives because they happened tohave the wrong type of leaf in their pockets. This is what cops facilitate when they engage in the armed kidnapping of innocent drug users. People who have harmed no one but themselves, which is their right since they own themselves.

Do they also do good things? sure of course they do. But does this make their crimes ok? hell no. Does that make them not criminals? hell no.

I actually was going to be a cop at some point in my life, and I ended up falling in love with computers so now I am here, but I guess I just have a different view on that job. I think cops deserve a little bit of a better rap then they been getting. I just have a different experience with that job. Being an officer is the hardest job, especially in 2013, I know I am not going to convert anyone on this forum, but let just say one thing when see a cop if you hate them or whatever, just give him a thumbs up or hello or a thank you, cause you really don't understand how hard that job is and I do.

Ok the nazi stuff really is bothering me, remember that is the 1920's to 1940's information was easily controlled, and today it is very difficult. I doubt anything like that would happen today in America.

I know you guys are probably hardcore left wing people and I am not hardcore right or left.

I just want to leave this here...

http://youtu.be/7UZ10Y2LmnE?t=3m47s

If this doesn't make you proud of the police force for doing an amazing job, then you sir, shouldn't be living here, you should live on an island where you make the rules, cause you don't appreciate the freedoms you have, the loyalty to service these people are showing you and you just don't understand.

Propaganda, my friend, is a hell of a drug.  You think the majority of the American people actually understand anything beyond what mainstream media feeds them?  It's a task in and of itself to read between the lines.  The mistake here would be to blame Americans for things they know very little about.  The average American citizen is not the enemy.  Follow the money, and you'll find the culprits.

Propaganda, my friend, is a hell of a drug. 

I used to know an Ice cream man that sold drugs. Executives at wall st, change documents. I mean every line of work has shitty people, shouldn't assume...

I'm wary about wading into this but here is my 2 cents...

The whole problem is America's attitude towards the world at large.  They have built up a huge military, have bases all around the world and are constantly starting wars.  Yes, starting them. 

All this requires training a lot of people to be soldiers.  I understand this is quite an intensive process and many are traumatised by their times in a warzone.  And if they aren't, it means they are most probably psychotic.   Then you get the blowback terrorist attacks on American soil.  Solution?  Ramp up security.  Where to get more police from?  What about all those soldiers returning home that now need jobs?  Result, you get a police force full of soldiers who basically treat the streets of America the same way they treat the streets of Baghdad.

I don't like the police state, but it almost looks like the Amercian populace got what was coming to it, because of it's general complacency towards the growth of the military and implied consent of foreign invasions.  The wheel always turns.

Of course there are so many jobs related to military spending now that politicians can't reduce it. 

Ultimately, America dug it's own grave.   

OP get the fuck out of the US if you think you are so fucking prosecuted.  You have no idea a police state is.  I am sick you and your type.  It's simple.  Leave! 

Damn pampered Americans that whine and bitch have no idea what life is outside their little bubble.  I am an American that has lived all over the world. And still does now and not by choice.  So yes I know of what I speak.

just say one thing when see a cop if you hate them or whatever, just give him a thumbs up or hello or a thank you, cause you really don't understand how hard that job is and I do.

You ask people to cooperate in helping them do their job. I would.

Do not force them to. In my childhood in the USA, I had lived in the ghetto for a while. Police were chasing people through our yard on a regular basis (shootings happened like clockwork and gang violence was prevalent). They *always* asked to enter our house (despite our relation to law enforcement). They always notified us of what was going on with assumption that we were not related to the individual and were innocent. Watching the Boston videos it seems that they weren't being professional police, they were being professional soldiers.

If someone declines and you still have grounds to believe that the person you're looking for may be in the house, you ask a judge for a warrant to search and present him with your evidence. At least then there is accountability on the judge, versus not even knowing a cop's badge number as he forces you out of your house. You can sue later and have laws changed when warrants are improperly issued. Not so easy with vague "justified entry" by a single cop whom you don't even know his name and no one will tell you because "shut up, truther".

The point is, if we are supposed to have a law in society, the police need to follow it too, even to our detriment. If something needs to be changed, let it be agreed upon and not forced upon us.

Disclaimer: I've never been to Boston in my life, I don't know what the mood or tolerance to crime is like there. All I know is that if I had sworn to protect people, I'd protect them from myself and my kind as well.

Honestly if you have nothing to hide, what is the big deal. I don't do drugs, I don't do creepy, weird things in my apartment with girls. I mean I am normal so I don't see the big deal in a special situation as this.

I think cops deserve a little bit of a better rap then they been getting. I just have a different experience with that job. Being an officer is the hardest job, especially in 2013, I know I am not going to convert anyone on this forum, but let just say one thing when see a cop if you hate them or whatever, just give him a thumbs up or hello or a thank you, cause you really don't understand how hard that job is and I do.

Ok the nazi stuff really is bothering me, remember that is the 1920's to 1940's information was easily controlled, and today it is very difficult. I doubt anything like that would happen today in America.

Are you a cop do you know what they need? Also the camo really sticks out in an urban setting so why are you against them wearing camo? Honestly it is basically the same body armor just one is camo and the other one is blue, so I don't see your point.